Does anybody use race gas in their 450...

huck
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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 6:23pm
Seriously. I love beating guys that insist on using race fuel in their 450. Straight pump gas for this guy!!!

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4/10/2009 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:20pm
Same here, pump gas only and we run stock exhaust.


(disclaimer, will go aftermarket if the stock gets ruined, only because there cheaper)
4/10/2009 2:58pm
VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is no comparison. Just ask Mitch Payton what they use.
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4/10/2009 3:20pm
VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is...
VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is no comparison. Just ask Mitch Payton what they use.
He doesn't use U4.2, and if he is, I think his competition would like to know that and file a protest. 4.2 is oxygenated and doesn't really have that high of an octane rating anyways,his bikes are running such high compression they wouldn't go 2 laps on it. U4.2 is only like 95 octane, but you are correct that with it's high amount of oxy. it does make big gains in a stocker.
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Best bang for the huck, fuck, I mean buck;



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When I get five gallons of VP for free I do. Other then that Im a pump gas guy.
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Pump gas for me......My CRF has more HP than I'll ever use as it is.
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4/10/2009 5:05pm
Is there anybody on these boards (besides a couple) that need 6 extra horsepower out of a 450? I "lol" at my buddies that use it...
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I use a 2:1 mix 2 gallons of pump premium to one gallon sunoco 110, I noticed way more throttle response and the leak jet no longer sticks in my carb.
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4/11/2009 9:02am
huck wrote:
Is there anybody on these boards (besides a couple) that need 6 extra horsepower out of a 450? I "lol" at my buddies that use it...
6%....which would be a little under 3hp in a 450.

Not that I believe this.....find the dyno curves. I'd like to see them.

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4/11/2009 9:49am
huck wrote:
Is there anybody on these boards (besides a couple) that need 6 extra horsepower out of a 450? I "lol" at my buddies that use it...
I use only pump gas but have been thinking about running a mixture of race gas with pump gas. Only a few people in the world use all the ponies that a bone stock 450 makes while running on regular unleaded pump gas. However, all of us could benefit from a bike that runs good and has usable power. So, even if you can't twist it to the stops, you might turn some slightly faster lap times if your 450 ran a little better.

I mean, using your logic, one could argue that it is pointless to put a new tire on a 450. You can't use all that power anyways so might as well "lol" at the people that put fresh knobbies on their bikes and keep running the same tire until it's a road racing slick.
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4/11/2009 2:47pm
jib-tmb wrote:
Pump gas for me......My CRF has more HP than I'll ever use as it is.
So you have never had your bike wide open Throttle? I know I use all the power my 450 has and wouldn't ming getting a few more ponies. I definetley think the race gas gives it a bit better throttle response than the pump gas. I also get the leaded stuff. I have about 120 hrs on my 06 Honda 450 with out a valve adjustment. Lead is a great upper end lube.
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4/11/2009 3:14pm
huck wrote:
Is there anybody on these boards (besides a couple) that need 6 extra horsepower out of a 450? I "lol" at my buddies that use it...
bullpen58 wrote:
I use only pump gas but have been thinking about running a mixture of race gas with pump gas. Only a few people in the world...
I use only pump gas but have been thinking about running a mixture of race gas with pump gas. Only a few people in the world use all the ponies that a bone stock 450 makes while running on regular unleaded pump gas. However, all of us could benefit from a bike that runs good and has usable power. So, even if you can't twist it to the stops, you might turn some slightly faster lap times if your 450 ran a little better.

I mean, using your logic, one could argue that it is pointless to put a new tire on a 450. You can't use all that power anyways so might as well "lol" at the people that put fresh knobbies on their bikes and keep running the same tire until it's a road racing slick.
You're comparing apples to bananas...

Don't be that dumb...and if you truly are, please don't post.




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4/11/2009 3:40pm
jib-tmb wrote:
Pump gas for me......My CRF has more HP than I'll ever use as it is.
Cygnus wrote:
So you have never had your bike wide open Throttle? I know I use all the power my 450 has and wouldn't ming getting a few...
So you have never had your bike wide open Throttle? I know I use all the power my 450 has and wouldn't ming getting a few more ponies. I definetley think the race gas gives it a bit better throttle response than the pump gas. I also get the leaded stuff. I have about 120 hrs on my 06 Honda 450 with out a valve adjustment. Lead is a great upper end lube.
Sure I have run my bike wide open but my Guardian Angel always smacks me in head when I do that.

My bike is an 02 but I have a couple friends with the 06 and Sir if you can ride that thing WFO 50% of the time you have my respect. I wish I could but I can't and I'm too old to try and learn now. I'm sure the bike would run better with better quality gas, I just don't see the need for me to use it. I bought my bike in 04 and just last year I needed to adjust my valves. I run premium pump gas only.

I don't race, I just ride to blow off a little steam and have a good time with friends.
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4/11/2009 3:47pm
I run 110. I have a high compression piston. I still ran it when it was stock, because it was more consistent, and thus easier, to jet. Pump gas tends to be a bit different pump to pump and 110 is 110 is 110, at least from the same manufacturer. Plus, 93 is getting pretty scarce around here...and I don't trust 91...
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4/11/2009 3:54pm
I used 50/50 pump gas and Cam2, just for the smell of the Cam2, Smile
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4/11/2009 6:27pm
Southern California pump gas is very inconsistent, at 7 out of ten stations they don't seem to ever have the same fuel week to week. I run the purple Sunoco 110 from the same oil and fuel shop for purely consistency reasons which also only costs a few dollars more per gallon than 91 pump.

No one likes to show up at the track and have their bike running like the jettings off week to week, its like throwing the dice with your race and more than half the time I've come up snake eyes with 91 octane Unleaded pump fuel out here. I also agree with cygnus the leaded fuels better for the valves and runs cleaner with crisper throttle response.

As far as using that over rated gummy 90 something octane VP 4.2 at 13 dollars a gallon that I dont think even makes anywhere near VP's claims is a huge waste of money and carb maintenance in my book.
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4/11/2009 7:08pm
cant run race gas in efi Cool
4/11/2009 8:43pm
VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is...
VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is no comparison. Just ask Mitch Payton what they use.
kawboy388 wrote:
He doesn't use U4.2, and if he is, I think his competition would like to know that and file a protest. 4.2 is oxygenated and doesn't...
He doesn't use U4.2, and if he is, I think his competition would like to know that and file a protest. 4.2 is oxygenated and doesn't really have that high of an octane rating anyways,his bikes are running such high compression they wouldn't go 2 laps on it. U4.2 is only like 95 octane, but you are correct that with it's high amount of oxy. it does make big gains in a stocker.
Not only do they use it, Mitch developed it!!!

Mitch Payton has worked with VP for 17 years. "Steve and VP's chief chemist, Duane Minazzi, come here pretty much on an annual basis to do fuel development work," said Payton. "MX isn't drag racing and power isn't everything. We value consistency and throttle response just as much. There are so many variables in MX, I can't be concerned with fuel. Fuel selection is as critical as my tires, shocks or engine components. I have people ask me to dyno other fuels all the time and we look at everything. VP has always shown me the most power and best performance-which is why every one of our 20 championships was won with a VP powered machine."
U4.2TM
The latest generation of our U4 based fuels, this fuel is a direct pour-in replacement for pump gas, with little to no jetting changes required - +2 main jets and +2 pilot jets at the most. Makes power equivalent to U4 with no sticky residue and a less pungent odor. Designed for stock and modified 2-stroke and 4-stroke applications. U4.2 passes AMA amateur fuel rules and is perfect for club level racing, CCS, WERA and AFM. U4.2 makes up to 6% more power than pump gas.
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4/11/2009 9:00pm
I'd like to do a test

two identical bikes one with race gas and the other with pump. See how many of you boneheads can tell the difference (without smelling it)



I have a feeling the '6%' increase is to not make yourself feel bad for literally burning money, a placebo effect for your bike.
4/11/2009 11:51pm
ive used it maybe 2-3 times and i did notice that my 450 ran a little better, throttle response was better as well
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4/11/2009 11:58pm
I mix it 50/50 only because I do long distance desert racing and the shit we ride through the bike gets hot and pings pretty bad. The little bit of race fuel seems to help. It's a waste for the track unless you're running a pumped up motor.
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VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is...
VP race fuel (U4.2) adds 6% horsepower! The biggest bang for the buck you can get. A pipe only adds 4% and at $899 there is no comparison. Just ask Mitch Payton what they use.
kawboy388 wrote:
He doesn't use U4.2, and if he is, I think his competition would like to know that and file a protest. 4.2 is oxygenated and doesn't...
He doesn't use U4.2, and if he is, I think his competition would like to know that and file a protest. 4.2 is oxygenated and doesn't really have that high of an octane rating anyways,his bikes are running such high compression they wouldn't go 2 laps on it. U4.2 is only like 95 octane, but you are correct that with it's high amount of oxy. it does make big gains in a stocker.
Not only do they use it, Mitch developed it!!! Mitch Payton has worked with VP for 17 years. "Steve and VP's chief chemist, Duane Minazzi, come...
Not only do they use it, Mitch developed it!!!

Mitch Payton has worked with VP for 17 years. "Steve and VP's chief chemist, Duane Minazzi, come here pretty much on an annual basis to do fuel development work," said Payton. "MX isn't drag racing and power isn't everything. We value consistency and throttle response just as much. There are so many variables in MX, I can't be concerned with fuel. Fuel selection is as critical as my tires, shocks or engine components. I have people ask me to dyno other fuels all the time and we look at everything. VP has always shown me the most power and best performance-which is why every one of our 20 championships was won with a VP powered machine."
U4.2TM
The latest generation of our U4 based fuels, this fuel is a direct pour-in replacement for pump gas, with little to no jetting changes required - +2 main jets and +2 pilot jets at the most. Makes power equivalent to U4 with no sticky residue and a less pungent odor. Designed for stock and modified 2-stroke and 4-stroke applications. U4.2 passes AMA amateur fuel rules and is perfect for club level racing, CCS, WERA and AFM. U4.2 makes up to 6% more power than pump gas.
I didn't say he doesn't use VP, I said he doesn't run U4.2, the last sentence in your second paragraph explains why. It is AMA am. legal, illegal for pro class. He uses that next step up from VP C12 stuff that cost about 40 bucks a gallon.
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4/12/2009 6:19am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:21pm
C12 is leaded. Not legal in AMA/FIM Pro. We used it mixed 50-50 with pump premium unleaded in the supermini and 85 mod.


MRPro4.1 more likely. Or something specially blended.


MR-PRO4.1TM

Formulated to maximize power under AMA Pro Racing unleaded fuel rules while meeting the lower octane demands of 4-stroke racing engines. Used by 2007 Champions in AMA Motocross and Motocross Lights.
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jPump gas for me, but a riding buddy of mine uses the Sunco 110. He says his bike starts more consistant after a fall with the 110 verses pump gas.
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Stock bikes are designed to run on pump gas.
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Soozie125 wrote:
Stock bikes are designed to run on pump gas.
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4/12/2009 4:13pm
huck wrote:
You're comparing apples to bananas...

Don't be that dumb...and if you truly are, please don't post.




Then stop posting. Oh wait you're just trying to be "core" though. Do you realize running race gas is not just about raw HP? Race gas has lead which cushions and lubes the valves. It burns cleaner so when your slow ass lugs around the track a shit load of carbon doesn't coat everything. Hot spots on the piston = bad. Hot spots in the exhaust = bad. More consistent fuel = good. More consistent jetting = good. If you can't use all the power of a 450 why do you even have one then?
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4/13/2009 9:44am
I run pump 93

I have had to switch to race fuel at a race in 95F weather a couple times when the bike starts detonating. Only happens at tracks that are WFO
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4/13/2009 9:50am
huck wrote:
You're comparing apples to bananas...

Don't be that dumb...and if you truly are, please don't post.




ShookOne wrote:
Then stop posting. Oh wait you're just trying to be "core" though. Do you realize running race gas is not just about raw HP? Race gas...
Then stop posting. Oh wait you're just trying to be "core" though. Do you realize running race gas is not just about raw HP? Race gas has lead which cushions and lubes the valves. It burns cleaner so when your slow ass lugs around the track a shit load of carbon doesn't coat everything. Hot spots on the piston = bad. Hot spots in the exhaust = bad. More consistent fuel = good. More consistent jetting = good. If you can't use all the power of a 450 why do you even have one then?
"If you can't use all the power of a 450, why do you even have one then?"...
DUH, to lug my "slow ass" around the track!



Core? Ahem, NO. If I was core, wouldn't I still be on the "2-stroke" bandwagon?


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at 8,000 feet. I will take any HP I can get.

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