if Reed and Stewart both sit out the nationals......

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J-law, Alessi and RV in a wicked 3 way battle.
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Spinner wrote:
Who's your pick to win the 450 title? Pick 1 - I would have to go with Villopoto if he's healthy. He didn't light the SX...
Who's your pick to win the 450 title?

Pick 1 - I would have to go with Villopoto if he's healthy. He didn't light the SX series up like some thought, but maybe that's due to being sick.

Pick 2 - Windham. This could be his year. He's always up there in the mix and if not for RC, Windham could have nailed down some titles by now.

Pick 3 - Dungey (if he rides the 450 class). Why? Why not?

Pick 4 - Langston. GL is tougher than a damn crowbar and knows what perseverance is. Depending on who he rides for......you just never know.

Pick 5 - Alessi. If he stays healthy, 2009 might be his year.

Discuss.
Grant and Short both have the speed. Short has the heart.
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Here are my picks:

#1 Villopoto
#2 Alessi ( I think him and Villo will be close)
#3 Windham (He would be my first pick outdoors, but hasn't raced that bike and is kind of mental about bike set up)
4-8 would be Dungey, Short, Grant, Lawrence, Langston (I would have put Langston 2nd as he went out on top, but not sure how his injury will effect him)

I can't wait until Glen Helen.

Wait, i forgot Hill throw him in the top ten for sure.
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JP wrote:
Here are my picks: #1 Villopoto #2 Alessi ( I think him and Villo will be close) #3 Windham (He would be my first pick outdoors...
Here are my picks:

#1 Villopoto
#2 Alessi ( I think him and Villo will be close)
#3 Windham (He would be my first pick outdoors, but hasn't raced that bike and is kind of mental about bike set up)
4-8 would be Dungey, Short, Grant, Lawrence, Langston (I would have put Langston 2nd as he went out on top, but not sure how his injury will effect him)

I can't wait until Glen Helen.

Wait, i forgot Hill throw him in the top ten for sure.
No Hep?? History indicates injury but speed wise... top 5 easy.

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JP wrote:
Here are my picks: #1 Villopoto #2 Alessi ( I think him and Villo will be close) #3 Windham (He would be my first pick outdoors...
Here are my picks:

#1 Villopoto
#2 Alessi ( I think him and Villo will be close)
#3 Windham (He would be my first pick outdoors, but hasn't raced that bike and is kind of mental about bike set up)
4-8 would be Dungey, Short, Grant, Lawrence, Langston (I would have put Langston 2nd as he went out on top, but not sure how his injury will effect him)

I can't wait until Glen Helen.

Wait, i forgot Hill throw him in the top ten for sure.
TJ 755 wrote:
No Hep?? History indicates injury but speed wise... top 5 easy.
I thought about him too, after I threw in Hill to complete my top ten. I had ten guys listed, my numbers are off. To not throw Hepler in just shows how stacked things are, he could very well be in my 4-10 list w/ a start.

I think I am most interested in which KW will show up and how the time off will effect Langston. Not only was Grant the champ, but he was running guys down including Alessi , without good starts.
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Spinner wrote:
Who's your pick to win the 450 title? Pick 1 - I would have to go with Villopoto if he's healthy. He didn't light the SX...
Who's your pick to win the 450 title?

Pick 1 - I would have to go with Villopoto if he's healthy. He didn't light the SX series up like some thought, but maybe that's due to being sick.

Pick 2 - Windham. This could be his year. He's always up there in the mix and if not for RC, Windham could have nailed down some titles by now.

Pick 3 - Dungey (if he rides the 450 class). Why? Why not?

Pick 4 - Langston. GL is tougher than a damn crowbar and knows what perseverance is. Depending on who he rides for......you just never know.

Pick 5 - Alessi. If he stays healthy, 2009 might be his year.

Discuss.
catch anything yet?
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Alessi's my guess.
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Judging last year I would say Alessi.

I would say that the first round holds a big value on whether its Alessi or Villopoto. To me supercross doesn't hold much value anymore (as far as the nats are concerned.)

First off we have some heavy hitters that do their own thing during the summer, and I'm okay with that (especially this year.) Lawrence hasn't won a national yet. While I'm a fan of his, I don't see him having two motos as opposed to a season of his best. I just don't see it...

Alessi has proven his worth and the fact that he is a man in this sport. He left that amature shit behind years ago. He has supercross skills as well, but I don't think his heart is in it. He usually has his worst laps in the middle of the race, which we all know isn't based on fitness. He'll be fit and ready for 09. If he can find that drive that he had last year his second at Glenn Helen will be a first.

Villy is a big "if" for this year. The kid has done it in the lites, but I don't think it will be so easy for him with a big 450. I would look for the first round to have an effect on how Villopoto does this year. He has also had an effect on the Alessi family. If he runs away with the first nat, I will admit that I was wrong, but Alessi isn't the same guy he raced in the 250 class. He has always favored the 450, and he has given fans reason to agree.

Villopoto has to prove himself this year.

Beyond that, Ferry, Shorty, Windam, and Millsaps have to prove their ability to go faster. Last year there was a big "vet" battle and theese guys are awsome. I just don't think that they hold the speed to hang with a properly primed Alessi this year.
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Should be good as long as Bubba stays out of it... Lol although it would be a lot better with him there. I got my money on Villianpoto.
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Judging last year I would say Alessi. I would say that the first round holds a big value on whether its Alessi or Villopoto. To me...
Judging last year I would say Alessi.

I would say that the first round holds a big value on whether its Alessi or Villopoto. To me supercross doesn't hold much value anymore (as far as the nats are concerned.)

First off we have some heavy hitters that do their own thing during the summer, and I'm okay with that (especially this year.) Lawrence hasn't won a national yet. While I'm a fan of his, I don't see him having two motos as opposed to a season of his best. I just don't see it...

Alessi has proven his worth and the fact that he is a man in this sport. He left that amature shit behind years ago. He has supercross skills as well, but I don't think his heart is in it. He usually has his worst laps in the middle of the race, which we all know isn't based on fitness. He'll be fit and ready for 09. If he can find that drive that he had last year his second at Glenn Helen will be a first.

Villy is a big "if" for this year. The kid has done it in the lites, but I don't think it will be so easy for him with a big 450. I would look for the first round to have an effect on how Villopoto does this year. He has also had an effect on the Alessi family. If he runs away with the first nat, I will admit that I was wrong, but Alessi isn't the same guy he raced in the 250 class. He has always favored the 450, and he has given fans reason to agree.

Villopoto has to prove himself this year.

Beyond that, Ferry, Shorty, Windam, and Millsaps have to prove their ability to go faster. Last year there was a big "vet" battle and theese guys are awsome. I just don't think that they hold the speed to hang with a properly primed Alessi this year.
last year and the year before on that orange scooter

alessi has shown what he can do....and if
he's healthy he will dominate.

RV doesn't look right to me...time will tell.

everybody else....won't have as good a shot
as mike does, i think.

windham...nope, not hungry enough to hang it out all the time

ferry...no chance

milsaps...nope.

short...maybe

jlaw...has the speed to win it all, too bad you need other shit though.

but that's why they hold the races...let's get reeeeeady to rumbleeeeee.
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1. Villopoto
2. Alessi (tell you the truth can't pick it between the top 2)


Anything after this is wide open! But if those two stay injury free they will definately be 1 and 2 come end of the season.
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Poto was very fast on the 250 outdoors and if he was healthy and still riding the 250
it would be a hard choice,but he can't run the little" two fiddy" in the 450 class.With that being said and remembering back to last year before Aless got hurt it was only Alessi that could run stewarts speed outdoors so I have no choice but to go with #800 for the
outdoor title.
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The 250 class this year is really going to be the premier event and the 450 class will take second fiddle
250 - Dungey / Metcalfe / Searle
450 - Alessi / Short (consistent) / RV
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The quality of the series is not the same as the talent of the riders.

America has riders to be very proud of. The series is amateur in comparison to GPs. That's why top guys don't even care for it (plus the unhealthy 2-season per year schedule).

The GPs have better parity, better organization, way better media, and MXJiff.

Smile
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Motodude wrote:
zzzzz....its going to be crap compared to the GP's especally with their live online tv coverage.
Then dont watch.
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My guess would be Alessi or Villipoto but its hard to say until you actually see Ryan outdoors on a big bike. My hopes would be a non-stop battle between the two of them.
Grant would be my pick for who I'd most like to see win.
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Motodude wrote:
zzzzz....its going to be crap compared to the GP's especally with their live online tv coverage.
catatonic wrote:
Then dont watch.
I cant even if I want to.
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Motodude wrote:
zzzzz....its going to be crap compared to the GP's especally with their live online tv coverage.
catatonic wrote:
Then dont watch.
Motodude wrote:
I cant even if I want to.
true......doubt it will be crap though.
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Racetime wrote:
The quality of the series is not the same as the talent of the riders. America has riders to be very proud of. The series is...
The quality of the series is not the same as the talent of the riders.

America has riders to be very proud of. The series is amateur in comparison to GPs. That's why top guys don't even care for it (plus the unhealthy 2-season per year schedule).

The GPs have better parity, better organization, way better media, and MXJiff.

Smile
Oh boy........this is gunna get ugly.
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no matter who wins, though, how cool is it that we are discussing a bunch of different guys instead of just two! I mean, I agree, Alessi and Villo are front runners, but there's NO WAY the title is guaranteed to go to one of these two. great series coming our way, just like the old days, when a handful of guys can win any given weekend. I can't wait!
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allessi ,with rv breathing down his neck.it will be just as good as the sx this year from what we have seen with js and cr.
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If they both didn't race:

The series is Windham's if he WANTS it.

But, realistically, it's say:

Villopoto narrowly beats out Alessi who gets a bunch of moto wins (and holeshots) and crashes out once or twice.

Third goes to Short who will finally win a moto or two and be right there in third most of the time.

Grant will show flashes of brilliance and maybe win a moto but he'll crash hard and have some 10th place finishes.

Millsaps will start good most motos and fade back to sixth or so.

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The cards are in Windham's favor at this point. With his best outdoor game he is as good as anyone. Even if he pulled some 4ths and 5ths at the beginning I think he'd still pull it out over the rest of the guys if his heart was in it.
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4/9/2009 7:59am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:19pm
if Reed and Stewart both sit out the nationals......

The series will be great.
07 was a prime example and GL came out on top.
Any of the above mentioned could do it but the one factor is consistency.
24-35 minute motos bring on way more variables than 17 20 minute mains.
I personally like short if he can get that tricep & confidence up to 100%.
RV & 800 MAY have a little speed on everyone but some bad blood and youth could get the best of them.
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Will be pulling for Mike
Poto should be there
Grant and Langston will also be there
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Would love to see GL win it all again, but it will come down to Alessi and Villopoto. 800 will triumph.

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