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GODZILLA 10/6/2018 11:58pm
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What happen to TP?
He got old.
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Rs444 10/6/2018 11:59pm
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Hopefully Eli shows up tomorrow and goes as fast as he can for himself and his country and if Herlings beats him so be it!! Not...
Hopefully Eli shows up tomorrow and goes as fast as he can for himself and his country and if Herlings beats him so be it!! Not like he’s not beat the hell out of everyone he’s lined up against all year anyway!!
He havnt tho, mm have won, so has barcia and roczen too
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JFerry 10/7/2018 12:27am
10/7/2018 12:27am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2018 12:29am
It's a new day and a new race. Today is a team work.
30mins. 10 more than yesterday. And MX2 and Open with very little time to rest between motos. Fitness will be important. Track, hopefully not groomed, will be rougher than yesterday. A good start is crucial. Grid of 40 riders is a lot. Everything can happen. 6 races per team. One can be ruled out. Therefore one mistake is allowed. Holland has the best gate and the team to beat. Vlaanderen seems the weak link , but he is fast as hell. Italy, UK, Germany, France. And, why not, USA. Yesterday wasn't a good day for them. But as a team, they can be there. If that "we are the world" mentallity doesn't kill them, they have a shot. Race the race, keep their pace and wait for the other to fail.
XR75_Flamethrower 10/7/2018 12:42am
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The difference is that when tomac won 2015-2016 cairoli was hurt even tho he still rode and both(!) Was on his hometurf and the fact that...
The difference is that when tomac won 2015-2016 cairoli was hurt even tho he still rode and both(!) Was on his hometurf and the fact that tomac did not come from last and passed everyone like they where on 85s. Look at quali yesterday he was a minute behind everyone first lap and made searle and Paulin who tomac couldnt pass look like rookies. I have no doubt that there is tracks where tomac if he brings his A game could be as fast or faster but even tho i've always said they are equal its getting hard to deny that herlings by the looks of it is the Most well rounded and strong rider in the world with tomac close behind. I mean the way herlings carv new lines without loosing speed, damn!.
Actually if you are going by the most well rounded , that would be ET3 as he's superior to Supercross to JH84 and also ET3 is a pretty good MX rider (ie - JH is not nearly as good at SX as ET is at Motocross, making ET3 the most "well rounded" of the two). Perhaps you meant MX only and in that case most will agree JH is the most well rounded Motocross only rider.

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Derpin' DJ 10/7/2018 12:56am
10/7/2018 12:56am
I don't get why people keep bringing up SX. It's a different sport. Might as well bring enduro and endurocross into it
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Paul_Jacky 10/7/2018 12:58am
10/7/2018 12:58am
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on the table. Your supershowcross has destroyed the talent speed for mx.. 1 Netherlands 2 France 3. Germany. 4 USA there is no allround rider. There is only a true MX rider
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WCRider 10/7/2018 1:01am
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Paul_Jacky wrote:
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on...
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on the table. Your supershowcross has destroyed the talent speed for mx.. 1 Netherlands 2 France 3. Germany. 4 USA there is no allround rider. There is only a true MX rider
Supercross is supercross and supercross is a real thing too. End of story.
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Edge-Of-Adhesion 10/7/2018 1:04am
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Herlings didn't look like he was in that much of a hurry to get to pit lane after his crash. I can't decide if there was a problem with his bike or he has that much confidence he thought he didn't need to rush it.

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Wow. I’m not sure I read so many ifs and buts, what ifs, tomac is faster than Roczen etc. Swallow your pride guys. Tomac hasn’t got what it takes. For sure he has raw speed SOMETIMES, but he cannot convert that into race wins when the pressures on. All these factors add up to make the best rider in the world. Look how consistent ac and herlings have been with some tough competition. Anstie went 1-1 last year and has only managed 3 podiums this year! These boys has upped the level. Tomac is not getting pushed every weekend, out of the top 5 in AMA the rider quality isn’t there ( no disrespect) but you only get faster by racing faster people! Tomas’s always strange one when he has a mechanical or crash, taking ages to pull himself together so let’s by all of the field like he’s really not bothered. Something isn’t right in there, as if he just gives up so I hope it hasn’t got to him for today.

I really hope tomac can come out swinging, I really had boys to take the win. Netherlands will take some beating now as coldenhoff looks like he has found form.

Either way pretty remarkable to say the GP guys have never seen this track before and are doing the business.

Going to be awesome whatever happens!
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Bonanza69 10/7/2018 1:20am
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WCRider wrote:
Supercross is supercross and supercross is a real thing too. End of story.
Supercross begins in january,so,come back next year, it‘s all about SX.
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JFerry 10/7/2018 1:21am
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Paul_Jacky wrote:
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on...
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on the table. Your supershowcross has destroyed the talent speed for mx.. 1 Netherlands 2 France 3. Germany. 4 USA there is no allround rider. There is only a true MX rider
If you clear the leap, doesn´t matter to be lapped vs leap, what leap, ruts, berms, keep the line, momentum.

What worries me about americans is the lack of motocrosds. OK, Redbull could be Belgium, but the way they ride in those conditions. Too agressive, not keeping the line, not letting the bike run. Barcia was lucky, very lucky. Let the pressure go, calm down and keep their pace. Too much Supercross minded.
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WCRider 10/7/2018 1:33am
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Bonanza69 wrote:
Supercross begins in january,so,come back next year, it‘s all about SX.
I have always preferred sprinters to marathoners so come quickly january !
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Motocross83 10/7/2018 2:00am
10/7/2018 2:00am
The GP guys aren't necessarily faster but I do think they're better at handling a range of different track conditions.

Both Roczen and Barcia commented that the track wasn't what they were expecting after first practice, and I think this somewhat played a factor for many of the AMA based riders but especially ET - the exception (as he has often been) was Barcia. The guy seems to adapt very quickly. Today is a new day though and they've perhaps had time to approach his set-up differently. Track may also be different.

Also keep in mind that as much you guys wanting him to put on a spectacular display and beat JH etc, he was essentially (from a team perspective) doing exactly what he should've been doing yesterday. Inside the top 5 and bringing her home. That's all that's necessary on the Saturday (in fact that may be all that's necessary Sunday). It was the bike that let him down.

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Paul_Jacky 10/7/2018 2:03am
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Paul_Jacky wrote:
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on...
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on the table. Your supershowcross has destroyed the talent speed for mx.. 1 Netherlands 2 France 3. Germany. 4 USA there is no allround rider. There is only a true MX rider
WCRider wrote:
Supercross is supercross and supercross is a real thing too. End of story.
Ofcourse its real, but its a complete different sport. Like mentioned before, you might include super motard enduro aswell.. there is no comparison. May the best team win....
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I don't understand what you are getting at b/c I said that ET3 just bested KROC this entire year including just recently all summer thru 5-6...
I don't understand what you are getting at b/c I said that ET3 just bested KROC this entire year including just recently all summer thru 5-6 weeks ago (that's all I'm comparing is the 30 times Tomac faced KROC this year including just a few weeks ago went entirely different than today went as this time KROC was well ahead of Tomac in practice and in the qualifier where all year and in August it was the opposite).

Sure KROC of 2016 was amazing and if it were 2016 I could see him well ahead of Tomac but going by reality, KROC is still recovering from serious injury and Tomac has been well ahead of him as recently as August and suddenly today Tomac was so much slower it was uncanny, that's all.
'KROC is still recovering from seroius injury'. ok good you got it. step 2: now think of how roczens first moto in hangtown was and how strong he was getting moto after moto.... does it click now, maybe? what do you think roczen can do in a few weeks after the season then? how can you be so sure eli is still way quicker? exactly.
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Rs444 10/7/2018 2:27am
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Paul_Jacky wrote:
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on...
Supercross is not motocross, its show cross. This is motocross the real thing. And to be honest usa has nothing against the euro's. Evidence lays on the table. Your supershowcross has destroyed the talent speed for mx.. 1 Netherlands 2 France 3. Germany. 4 USA there is no allround rider. There is only a true MX rider
WCRider wrote:
Supercross is supercross and supercross is a real thing too. End of story.
Paul_Jacky wrote:
Ofcourse its real, but its a complete different sport. Like mentioned before, you might include super motard enduro aswell.. there is no comparison. May the best...
Ofcourse its real, but its a complete different sport. Like mentioned before, you might include super motard enduro aswell.. there is no comparison. May the best team win....
Haha and i thought no one did listen to my earlier comment where i said that u could just as well start counting in enduro and motard if sx should count ^^.
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DeStouwer 10/7/2018 2:57am
10/7/2018 2:57am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2018 3:34am
Pff, I hope Belgium and USA had all of their bad luck on Saturday already. Only can get better!

On the other hand, 13th and 33rd gate pick... Damn'...
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KDXGarage 10/7/2018 3:09am
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Pff, I hope Belgium and USA had all of their bad luck on Saturday already. Only can get better! On the other hand, 13th and 33rd...
Pff, I hope Belgium and USA had all of their bad luck on Saturday already. Only can get better!

On the other hand, 13th and 33rd gate pick... Damn'...
Indeed! I hope so, too.

Me when Tomamc and de Salle's Kawasaki's both had problems:

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Motofinne 10/7/2018 3:19am
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Will Prado step up today or not? That was a weak ride from him. He was kind of mediocre at Matterly too?
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St Ann More 10/7/2018 3:23am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I don't get why people keep bringing up SX. It's a different sport. Might as well bring enduro and endurocross into it
But that doesn't suit their agenda...
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tempura 10/7/2018 3:27am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I don't get why people keep bringing up SX. It's a different sport. Might as well bring enduro and endurocross into it
St Ann More wrote:
But that doesn't suit their agenda...
They bring SX into the discussion as a temporary cure for butthurt..Laughing
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biscuit11 10/7/2018 3:27am
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I cant comprehend how much emphasis some people put on practice day. If you dont race 2 day shows all year why would you go all out the first 2 day show you enter? Especially when his dad/trainer comes from the world of cycling. You can see some of this in the way he controls his energy output throughout motos. Not just Eli but many guys didnt show their hand.
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Edd71 10/7/2018 3:42am
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The other strange thing that is obvious but I haven't seen mentioned is that ET beats KROCK soundly this entire year indoors & outdoors including just...
The other strange thing that is obvious but I haven't seen mentioned is that ET beats KROCK soundly this entire year indoors & outdoors including just a few weeks ago yet today ET can't get close to KROC? Definitely AC222 was well ahead of KROC today & JH would have been even ahead of AC if he hadn't had issues on the 1st lap, still ET should have been ahead of KROC which would still be like 20sec behind JH and AC but ET should have been 3rd & not KROC in 3rd if you base ET's predicted positioning on the basis that he's raced KROC around 30 times this year & beat KROC I'm pretty sure each time except when ET had a mechanical (A1's wardrobe malfunction, Redbud's bike failure when ET was well out front etc). Definitely a fan of KROC and I hope he has improved since August and is faster now than he has been all year but for ET to be so far behind KROC just doesn't make sense.

Also what was odd was in Lativa, Tomac in the 2014 MXdN in his 1st moto on Sunday then couldn't pass Fast Freddy Noren but yet in Tomac's final moto (MXGP / Open) he had a horrible start but had by far the fastest lap times all race and nearly caught Paulin and took the win (Tomac zipped by Noren and even the top MXGP guys all but Paulin who got the holeshot in that race but an hour earlier Tomac couldn't pass or barely passed Noren).

What gives for Tomac in 2014 not getting past or barely past Noren but in the next MXdN moto setting an incredible pace? (we have that race on the DVR still and Malin was "oohing & aweing" the entire final moto over Tomac's speed, Tomac was railing the outside corners as if it was a video game, hitting a "turbo" button the way he flew by everyone one by one working his way from 10th or so thru 2nd, all in the last 1/2 or so of that final moto while the moto prior, he was stuck with Noren).

Not saying in moto that ET can take JH right now, but just thinking about 2014 MXdN and today's race - it's something how ET's pace can be insanely on-point & breathtaking (he looks faster when he's on than JH though he may not be in reality) or he's way off the pace (today well behind KROC who just a few weeks ago and all year he had no problems with at all). Guess it's the pressure which none of us can even begin to understand.
Rs444 wrote:
The thing is that every european goes all in at mxon because the season is done after the race and the risk of getting hurt doesnt...
The thing is that every european goes all in at mxon because the season is done after the race and the risk of getting hurt doesnt matter as much when it cant destroy your overall results in a world championship. You have to consider the wet weather too, netherlands have well over 200 rainy days per year, england around 160 and california 36 as an example, the european riders knows how to ride in the wet.
Luckily not, only 8% of the time it rains here.
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RichardLoots 10/7/2018 3:47am
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Motofinne wrote:
Will Prado step up today or not? That was a weak ride from him. He was kind of mediocre at Matterly too?
with the mud i dont see Prado doing better on race day ...
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NVA57 10/7/2018 3:53am
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I cant comprehend how much emphasis some people put on practice day. If you dont race 2 day shows all year why would you go all...
I cant comprehend how much emphasis some people put on practice day. If you dont race 2 day shows all year why would you go all out the first 2 day show you enter? Especially when his dad/trainer comes from the world of cycling. You can see some of this in the way he controls his energy output throughout motos. Not just Eli but many guys didnt show their hand.
No one out there looked like they were taking it easy. Maybe Roczen but that's his riding style.

Also, they are winners. Of course they want to win the qualifying moto to prove they're the best and have a good gate pick, which helps the team.
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Motofinne 10/7/2018 3:55am
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Motofinne wrote:
Will Prado step up today or not? That was a weak ride from him. He was kind of mediocre at Matterly too?
RichardLoots wrote:
with the mud i dont see Prado doing better on race day ...
Yeah i think that is it, not the best mud rider. But it's weird how much worse he is in mud compared to normal conditions. A guy at that level should not have a huge weakness like that?
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32 pages and 96k+ views for practice and qualifying Cool
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Again ill repeat, if you havent trained for 2 day shows all year there is no reason to come out and blow your load on day 1 when on monday nobody remembers what happened on qualifying day. Can someone please link the Jacksonville practice day discussion so you can see that this nonsence happened just last year, yet nobody learned their lesson. Lots of very short memories here...
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RichardLoots 10/7/2018 4:04am
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Again ill repeat, if you havent trained for 2 day shows all year there is no reason to come out and blow your load on day...
Again ill repeat, if you havent trained for 2 day shows all year there is no reason to come out and blow your load on day 1 when on monday nobody remembers what happened on qualifying day. Can someone please link the Jacksonville practice day discussion so you can see that this nonsence happened just last year, yet nobody learned their lesson. Lots of very short memories here...
lots of selective memory too Wink
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NVA57 10/7/2018 4:07am
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Again ill repeat, if you havent trained for 2 day shows all year there is no reason to come out and blow your load on day...
Again ill repeat, if you havent trained for 2 day shows all year there is no reason to come out and blow your load on day 1 when on monday nobody remembers what happened on qualifying day. Can someone please link the Jacksonville practice day discussion so you can see that this nonsence happened just last year, yet nobody learned their lesson. Lots of very short memories here...
Except Eli was visibly struggling, Aaron was visibly trying hard to pass Ferrandis and Lawrence and keep them behind and Barcia was visibly trying his best to pass Coldenhoff. Again, didn't exactly look like they were taking it easy. Saying that is just speculation. Video footage doesn't lie.

And there is a reason. A good gate pick for your team.
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