When did man become machine?

the_wood109
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 11:36pm
I started off today by doing my normal rounds of forums, lurkings, and race report reads (even though I listened to the race.) Cut out a few porn site visits, and I ended up at DV12 looking at the 2000 phoenix supercross video. Oh how I longed for the sound of a crisp 250 gettin clutch slapped out of and inside line over a nice sized rhythmn section. DV12 provided, with his come from behind beat MC race. It was awsome.

That got me thinking of other good races to search. Of course the next place I ended up was sand Diego 2001. I immediatly noticed a different tone in David Bailys voice. Think have gotten serious! I also watched some old school daytona with Travis and even the "best supercross of all time" in '86 but something occured to me after this watch.

Very rarely does anyone (Ricky, James, Chad) catch the other seconds at a time. Now a days its more like a fraction type win or loss. Even more so is a fraction per lap. For example, Alessi is quite fast in supercross. His main downfall is a couple of slow laps (usually midway through the race.)

Riders have seemingly taken a mechanical state for maximum speed at maximum times. The 2000 races that I watched seemed light years behind the 2001 races. Riders took on this mechanical maximum speed (Crysis reference Smile )

So with that I say 1997 is the year that riders became machines.
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3/29/2009 9:46pm
They set a pace and their mechanic let's em know to stay with it.

They just don't go for it....unless your James. Which is why everyone loves him even the haters.
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3/29/2009 9:49pm
I think its called fear factor.
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3/29/2009 10:24pm
not really getting what I'm saying here...

its been the same since RC

3rd -20th can be fractions off each other that adds up into the total sceme of things.

When I say machines the top two and even 3rd to 20th are different machines. At one point it was all human. Now its as mechanical as the stopwatch itself.
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3/30/2009 6:38am
I blame four-strokes. Seriously.

The difference in how they need to be ridden makes the difference you speak of.

-Steve

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3/30/2009 6:48am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2009 6:48am
moto814 wrote:
I blame four-strokes. Seriously.

The difference in how they need to be ridden makes the difference you speak of.

-Steve
Agreed. 2 strokes were much harder to maintain consistent lap times. A mistake on the 4 stroke is not as near as penalizing as is on a 2 stroke.
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3/30/2009 6:58am
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple.

Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power. Dudes, we are racing OPEN class bikes in SX? WTF???

Screw it, lets bring back 350cc two T bikes, or 400s for that matter then these bloated overpriced 1/6th of car engine pieces of crap can go back to the damn dustbin they belong in.

I'm forced to watch you tube videos just to remember what real motocross sounded like. God I miss the pack of 125cc Pros barreling into the first turn at Unadilla, if you never heard that you don't know what you are missing.
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When did man become machine?
His name is McGrath and it happened when Mitch signed him to ride a cr 125 in 1991.
3/30/2009 2:22pm
easywriter wrote:
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple. Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power...
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple.

Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power. Dudes, we are racing OPEN class bikes in SX? WTF???

Screw it, lets bring back 350cc two T bikes, or 400s for that matter then these bloated overpriced 1/6th of car engine pieces of crap can go back to the damn dustbin they belong in.

I'm forced to watch you tube videos just to remember what real motocross sounded like. God I miss the pack of 125cc Pros barreling into the first turn at Unadilla, if you never heard that you don't know what you are missing.
Good points Brah...
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3/30/2009 2:24pm
easywriter wrote:
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple. Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power...
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple.

Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power. Dudes, we are racing OPEN class bikes in SX? WTF???

Screw it, lets bring back 350cc two T bikes, or 400s for that matter then these bloated overpriced 1/6th of car engine pieces of crap can go back to the damn dustbin they belong in.

I'm forced to watch you tube videos just to remember what real motocross sounded like. God I miss the pack of 125cc Pros barreling into the first turn at Unadilla, if you never heard that you don't know what you are missing.
Good points Brah...
Easywriter is a smart man.
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3/30/2009 5:13pm
easywriter wrote:
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple. Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power...
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple.

Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power. Dudes, we are racing OPEN class bikes in SX? WTF???

Screw it, lets bring back 350cc two T bikes, or 400s for that matter then these bloated overpriced 1/6th of car engine pieces of crap can go back to the damn dustbin they belong in.

I'm forced to watch you tube videos just to remember what real motocross sounded like. God I miss the pack of 125cc Pros barreling into the first turn at Unadilla, if you never heard that you don't know what you are missing.
now that is straight up,to the point. well spoken easywriter.
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3/30/2009 5:34pm
easywriter wrote:
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple. Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power...
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple.

Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power. Dudes, we are racing OPEN class bikes in SX? WTF???

Screw it, lets bring back 350cc two T bikes, or 400s for that matter then these bloated overpriced 1/6th of car engine pieces of crap can go back to the damn dustbin they belong in.

I'm forced to watch you tube videos just to remember what real motocross sounded like. God I miss the pack of 125cc Pros barreling into the first turn at Unadilla, if you never heard that you don't know what you are missing.
125's into the first turn at Unadilla was as good as it gets. pure zen
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3/30/2009 5:59pm
not really getting what I'm saying here... its been the same since RC 3rd -20th can be fractions off each other that adds up into the...
not really getting what I'm saying here...

its been the same since RC

3rd -20th can be fractions off each other that adds up into the total sceme of things.

When I say machines the top two and even 3rd to 20th are different machines. At one point it was all human. Now its as mechanical as the stopwatch itself.
You just gave the answer, I believe. RC hit the professional scene in... 1997.


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3/30/2009 6:00pm
moto814 wrote:
I blame four-strokes. Seriously.

The difference in how they need to be ridden makes the difference you speak of.

-Steve
Amen sir. Four strokes are the epitome' of iniquity.

Smile `oG
3/30/2009 7:03pm
easywriter wrote:
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple. Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power...
Four T bikes suck, plain and simple.

Cost twice as much, cost twice as much to fix, and very few amateurs really need that much power. Dudes, we are racing OPEN class bikes in SX? WTF???

Screw it, lets bring back 350cc two T bikes, or 400s for that matter then these bloated overpriced 1/6th of car engine pieces of crap can go back to the damn dustbin they belong in.

I'm forced to watch you tube videos just to remember what real motocross sounded like. God I miss the pack of 125cc Pros barreling into the first turn at Unadilla, if you never heard that you don't know what you are missing.
That sound is music. 125 being rung out. And the smell!

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