Major Bias

6/25/2018 9:15am
Pit bits! But I know we'll go down this road again. Just looking for real answers, so we can solve the issue at hand. I don't...
Pit bits!

But I know we'll go down this road again. Just looking for real answers, so we can solve the issue at hand. I don't like kicking the can!
GuyB wrote:
Sorry, but I don't really feel that there's an "issue at hand" to solve.

In the meantime, where should this thread go? Non-Moto, or Dumbgeon?
Dumbgeon or deleted..
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6/25/2018 9:16am
Major Bias is a kind of a nice guy. Corporal Punishment can be a dick though...
6/25/2018 9:17am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Just accept it. It's a forum, who cares? The mods didn't like it for some reason and put it where it belonged. It's happened to most...
Just accept it. It's a forum, who cares?

The mods didn't like it for some reason and put it where it belonged. It's happened to most of us. Don't like it? Find another forum. They run it, they can do what they feel is right. Having a thread or comment deleted isn't a big deal. Doesn't change my life if a comment of mine or thread was deleted.
I understand your pov, there are times though that threads get moved or deleted and people don't know why. A simple understanding and clarification is all that I'm looking for. Regardless of what people try to assume!
6/25/2018 9:19am
BobPA wrote:
Major Bias is a kind of a nice guy. Corporal Punishment can be a dick though...
I prefer the Corporal! There's no sissy footing around! Crystal clear and precise!

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6/25/2018 9:27am
If I went to your house and shit on your couch, would you want to get rid of me and the mess as quick as possible? Or let me linger around while I find more places to shit?
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6/25/2018 10:06am
billyp330 wrote:
your posting suggest otherwise.. I dont completely agree with motogreasey as he seems to be letting the argument get the best of him, but i do...
your posting suggest otherwise..

I dont completely agree with motogreasey as he seems to be letting the argument get the best of him, but i do agree with his main point of the censorship. Its not needed. If i dont agree with someones post or just think its just clickbait i dont read it or just dont comment on it. I get to choose for myself. I dont need anyone to censor it for me.

You run a cool website and many on here will gladly gargle you because of it. I think you let that get to your head too much sometimes, but it is what it is. You are only human and everyone does it.

I'll admit it. I am a contrarian. But, I like to keep an open mind as much as possible and don't feel the need to silence anyone I dont agree with.
GuyB wrote:
Contrarian? I hadn't noticed. Whistling Laughing
lol i know i normally hide it so well.

Get to Pit bits tho man i like that feature Smile
6/25/2018 10:15am
GuyB wrote:
Ah yeah. The old freedom of speech argument. This is a private forum where you do have freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom...
Ah yeah. The old freedom of speech argument. This is a private forum where you do have freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom to be an assh...well, you get the idea. (See? I censored myself, too.) Wink

So if it was a diagram, it'd look something like this.


Useful member of the forum.
_______________________

Ass.

See? There is a line there. Please try not to cross it.
I have yet to be an Ash! Simply looking for a professional, articulate response to easy questions. Not surprised I can't get it!
6/25/2018 10:15am
IWreckALot wrote:
If I went to your house and shit on your couch, would you want to get rid of me and the mess as quick as possible...
If I went to your house and shit on your couch, would you want to get rid of me and the mess as quick as possible? Or let me linger around while I find more places to shit?
your childish comparisons won't get you $3.50!
6/25/2018 10:19am
IWreckALot wrote:
1 - Not all customers are worth the headache. 2 - You're a dumbass. . . I hope I don't get banned for calling you a...
1 - Not all customers are worth the headache.

2 - You're a dumbass. . . I hope I don't get banned for calling you a bad name.

3 - You should stop being a customer.

4 - Who were you in your previous posting history?
You feel the need to call me names, for what reason again? Because I asked a question? You little beach! Of course You won't get banned because you're part of the "clan"! I didn't call you names but of course, like the ignorant ass you are, you don't have a problem with slinging shit. Maybe, clean your own shit stained couch!
6/25/2018 10:21am
GuyB wrote:
2. [img]https://www.careersingovernment.com/tools/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/torches-and-pitchforks.jpg[/img]
2.

Didn't notice the #2. So, I'm down to 2 because I said verbatim:

" I know I'm not the only one that sees the problem, just too many people that go along with it. Stand up for what's right people and think for yourself!"

You must have REALLY thin skin!
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6/25/2018 10:22am
billyp330 wrote:
your posting suggest otherwise.. I dont completely agree with motogreasey as he seems to be letting the argument get the best of him, but i do...
your posting suggest otherwise..

I dont completely agree with motogreasey as he seems to be letting the argument get the best of him, but i do agree with his main point of the censorship. Its not needed. If i dont agree with someones post or just think its just clickbait i dont read it or just dont comment on it. I get to choose for myself. I dont need anyone to censor it for me.

You run a cool website and many on here will gladly gargle you because of it. I think you let that get to your head too much sometimes, but it is what it is. You are only human and everyone does it.

I'll admit it. I am a contrarian. But, I like to keep an open mind as much as possible and don't feel the need to silence anyone I dont agree with.
huck wrote:
So just because some of us might agree with how / what guyb does, it means we 'gargle him'?

EABOD!
I never said that everyone that agrees with him is gargling him, just wanted to point out that some definitely will and he should keep in mind that just because it appears that majority agrees with him, that doesnt necessarily mean they actually agree with his opinion.

Up to you if you want to gargle him or not bro
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6/25/2018 10:25am
IWreckALot wrote:
If I went to your house and shit on your couch, would you want to get rid of me and the mess as quick as possible...
If I went to your house and shit on your couch, would you want to get rid of me and the mess as quick as possible? Or let me linger around while I find more places to shit?
That is a shitty analogy. no pun intended
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6/25/2018 10:25am
Pitchforks to the left. Torches to the right...
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6/25/2018 11:23am
And Guy B replying to posts in the dumbgeon. Now bake me a cake!Laughing
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6/25/2018 11:36am
newmann wrote:
And Guy B replying to posts in the dumbgeon. Now bake me a cake!Laughing
There's a Baby Ruth in the deep end! Everyone out of the Dumbgeon!
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6/25/2018 12:34pm
Boy, you have more tolerance than I do. Hurry up with that PitBits and quit screwing around over here!
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6/25/2018 1:56pm
You have zero tolerance when people disagree with you. What I find interesting is your allowance of those that attack others, on your behalf. Regardless if...
You have zero tolerance when people disagree with you. What I find interesting is your allowance of those that attack others, on your behalf. Regardless if you like it or not, my point is valid and has been expressed many times. I have done nothing disrespectful and any harsh words are simply retaliatory.

What have I done to deserve ANY judgement?

GuyB wrote:
Here's a short list of things I object to... Unless you're a disgruntled repeat customer or a longtime lurker, you've been here for what...five days? It's...
Here's a short list of things I object to...

Unless you're a disgruntled repeat customer or a longtime lurker, you've been here for what...five days? It's generally not a good look for a noob to come in and tell someone how they should run the place. I think one of the "rules" for forum participation is to get a feel for it. Sometimes that means doing more reading than posting. Coming in on week one and trying to be the 400-pound gorilla usually isn't going to work that well.

Your rants about various MSM outlets (now deleted) in the Dumbgeon thread didn't go unnoticed. We don't do religion or politics in here...except MAYBE where it relates to the sport.

I think I have a certain amount of patience for opposing viewpoints. But it's not an infinite amount, especially if the forum member is attempting to be disruptive. In other words, settle down, Beavis.
1. I don't have any clue about the history of you and motogreasey and frankly don't care.

2. Based on your post, it appears that you are saying that there is some sort of bias related to how you respond to those who have spent time here and those who haven't (or post count). Seems that the OP had the thread title correct.

3. It's bizarre that you preface with "unless you are a longtime lurker" and then call the OP a noob, serve up a rule about getting a feel for the forum, and then explain that it means reading more than posting.

4. As Matthes would say, in the vacuum of this thread, I agree with the OP.

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6/25/2018 4:21pm
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of this page...we are the "product"...the "customers" are the advertisers.

GuyB banning one of us, is the equivalent of Walmart no longer selling General Mills cereals...not the equivalent of Walmart banning one of the people who shop there.

Get it?

I think once people realize that we aren't the customer, it changes the perspective with which they interact with the mods here.
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6/25/2018 4:41pm
I have yet to be an Ash! Simply looking for a professional, articulate response to easy questions. Not surprised I can't get it!
What makes you think your question warrants a response more than anybody else? Or should the moderators spend there entire day justifying there actions to every faceless screenname that comes in here? Given your tenure here is less than a week, you kind of need to build up a bit of forum credit before you go straight for the jugular and accuse the head honcho of bias and underhanded tactics.

Maybe you can give me a professional and articulate response, if you really weren't trying to disrupt the forum and truly wanted an answer to a simple question, why not just put together a quiet email or PM directly to him? Rather than standing on a soap box in the moto section and screaming at the top of your lungs trying to get followers around you to fight the power and stand up for what you believe is right?
6/25/2018 4:56pm
Titan1 wrote:
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of...
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of this page...we are the "product"...the "customers" are the advertisers.

GuyB banning one of us, is the equivalent of Walmart no longer selling General Mills cereals...not the equivalent of Walmart banning one of the people who shop there.

Get it?

I think once people realize that we aren't the customer, it changes the perspective with which they interact with the mods here.
I appreciate that view. However, without the eyeballs, clicks and page views there is no funding! We GENERATE the revenue by coming here, it's why advertisers spend money here, to attract us! If all the page views, clicks, etc disappeared would advertisers still pay. I don't see why they would..

No other site does what Vital does and that effort SPECIFICALLY is what really makes the wheel go round. It's why I come here, the content Vital delivers is outstanding. I would just like the forum to match it as well.
6/25/2018 5:06pm
haydos25 wrote:
What makes you think your question warrants a response more than anybody else? Or should the moderators spend there entire day justifying there actions to every...
What makes you think your question warrants a response more than anybody else? Or should the moderators spend there entire day justifying there actions to every faceless screenname that comes in here? Given your tenure here is less than a week, you kind of need to build up a bit of forum credit before you go straight for the jugular and accuse the head honcho of bias and underhanded tactics.

Maybe you can give me a professional and articulate response, if you really weren't trying to disrupt the forum and truly wanted an answer to a simple question, why not just put together a quiet email or PM directly to him? Rather than standing on a soap box in the moto section and screaming at the top of your lungs trying to get followers around you to fight the power and stand up for what you believe is right?
I think you have some reading comprehension issues! I did not imply, at any time, that I should receive a response before anybody else! The moderators choose to spend their time clicking people and determining what is said. As such,
any lost time is their own doing..

How do you help the situation, ON YOUR SOAPBOX, not sending me a PM to discuss this issue? Hypocritical, are we?

I'm sorry I didn't follow the protocol that you believe is appropriate. I asked a simple question and was given half ass remarks by people like you, who for unknown reasons feel they have all the answers. When in reality, you're simply acting like a 4th grade bully. You have no beef here, take a walk! The bandwagon is full!
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6/25/2018 5:13pm
I think you have some reading comprehension issues! I did not imply, at any time, that I should receive a response before anybody else! The moderators...
I think you have some reading comprehension issues! I did not imply, at any time, that I should receive a response before anybody else! The moderators choose to spend their time clicking people and determining what is said. As such,
any lost time is their own doing..

How do you help the situation, ON YOUR SOAPBOX, not sending me a PM to discuss this issue? Hypocritical, are we?

I'm sorry I didn't follow the protocol that you believe is appropriate. I asked a simple question and was given half ass remarks by people like you, who for unknown reasons feel they have all the answers. When in reality, you're simply acting like a 4th grade bully. You have no beef here, take a walk! The bandwagon is full!
We're in the dumbgeon now mate, i was just giving you some advise on how to make sure all your future topics don't end up here. Take it or leave it.

Nothing wrong with my reading complrehension, you just believe that Guyb and the other mods should be scrolling through the forum replying to posts justifying their actions. They don't, its their ball and they'll take it home whenever they want. I'm sure they appreciate your advice though.

As far as being a 4th grade bully i find that pretty comical. People didn't agree with your post so all of a sudden they're bandwagoners. I've never had a post deleted, a thread moved or a run in with Guyb or any other mod, i guess i must be a teachers pet. Or im just not causing issues or pushing my agenda. One of the two.
6/25/2018 5:30pm
haydos25 wrote:
We're in the dumbgeon now mate, i was just giving you some advise on how to make sure all your future topics don't end up here...
We're in the dumbgeon now mate, i was just giving you some advise on how to make sure all your future topics don't end up here. Take it or leave it.

Nothing wrong with my reading complrehension, you just believe that Guyb and the other mods should be scrolling through the forum replying to posts justifying their actions. They don't, its their ball and they'll take it home whenever they want. I'm sure they appreciate your advice though.

As far as being a 4th grade bully i find that pretty comical. People didn't agree with your post so all of a sudden they're bandwagoners. I've never had a post deleted, a thread moved or a run in with Guyb or any other mod, i guess i must be a teachers pet. Or im just not causing issues or pushing my agenda. One of the two.
I don't know why location of said comments matter, nor do I care.

As for reading comprehension; If you retry as suggested, you'll see that I wasn't the OP.

Your version of my beliefs, is just that! Don't pretend you know what I expect, because you have no clue. Nor does it matter. Obviously, they're scrolling the forum anyway, so how does it make a difference? If they don't want to reply, they don't have to. Pretty simple! However, calling members things like Beavis, is somehow o.k.. makes total sense, to you!!

People also agreed with my comments, so how does that make your argument valid? I asked a question and somehow I'm pushing an agenda. Whatever dude!
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6/25/2018 6:49pm
Titan1 wrote:
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of...
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of this page...we are the "product"...the "customers" are the advertisers.

GuyB banning one of us, is the equivalent of Walmart no longer selling General Mills cereals...not the equivalent of Walmart banning one of the people who shop there.

Get it?

I think once people realize that we aren't the customer, it changes the perspective with which they interact with the mods here.
I appreciate that view. However, without the eyeballs, clicks and page views there is no funding! We GENERATE the revenue by coming here, it's why advertisers...
I appreciate that view. However, without the eyeballs, clicks and page views there is no funding! We GENERATE the revenue by coming here, it's why advertisers spend money here, to attract us! If all the page views, clicks, etc disappeared would advertisers still pay. I don't see why they would..

No other site does what Vital does and that effort SPECIFICALLY is what really makes the wheel go round. It's why I come here, the content Vital delivers is outstanding. I would just like the forum to match it as well.
Vital holds a pretty high spot in the MX world these days and has a little influence on who spends and where they spend their money. Tread too lightly on one side and they could cost their advertisers tens of thousands in lost revenue on the other. It may not be a pay to play site, but...


6/25/2018 7:07pm
newmann wrote:
Vital holds a pretty high spot in the MX world these days and has a little influence on who spends and where they spend their money...
Vital holds a pretty high spot in the MX world these days and has a little influence on who spends and where they spend their money. Tread too lightly on one side and they could cost their advertisers tens of thousands in lost revenue on the other. It may not be a pay to play site, but...


Thank You for the reply.
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6/25/2018 7:46pm
I've been here long enough to know GuyBro can have a pretty short fuse.

His patience with this "new" member and his tired old arguments is actually quite amazing!

Well done bossSilly I would have been to 1 long ago.....
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6/25/2018 8:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/25/2018 8:56pm
I think you have some reading comprehension issues! I did not imply, at any time, that I should receive a response before anybody else! The moderators...
I think you have some reading comprehension issues! I did not imply, at any time, that I should receive a response before anybody else! The moderators choose to spend their time clicking people and determining what is said. As such,
any lost time is their own doing..

How do you help the situation, ON YOUR SOAPBOX, not sending me a PM to discuss this issue? Hypocritical, are we?

I'm sorry I didn't follow the protocol that you believe is appropriate. I asked a simple question and was given half ass remarks by people like you, who for unknown reasons feel they have all the answers. When in reality, you're simply acting like a 4th grade bully. You have no beef here, take a walk! The bandwagon is full!
And...that's enough.

Someone clearly has a redwood on their shoulder, and I don't see any way of convincing him otherwise.
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6/25/2018 9:07pm
Titan1 wrote:
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of...
What a few people here seem to get confused on is that "we" (the posters, the page views, the clicks, the eyeballs) aren't the "customer" of this page...we are the "product"...the "customers" are the advertisers.

GuyB banning one of us, is the equivalent of Walmart no longer selling General Mills cereals...not the equivalent of Walmart banning one of the people who shop there.

Get it?

I think once people realize that we aren't the customer, it changes the perspective with which they interact with the mods here.
I appreciate that view. However, without the eyeballs, clicks and page views there is no funding! We GENERATE the revenue by coming here, it's why advertisers...
I appreciate that view. However, without the eyeballs, clicks and page views there is no funding! We GENERATE the revenue by coming here, it's why advertisers spend money here, to attract us! If all the page views, clicks, etc disappeared would advertisers still pay. I don't see why they would..

No other site does what Vital does and that effort SPECIFICALLY is what really makes the wheel go round. It's why I come here, the content Vital delivers is outstanding. I would just like the forum to match it as well.
The point is you aren’t the customer...you’re the commodity.

You are the cereal...does the cereal bring value to Walmart? Yes. But there are lots of brands of cereal on the shelves at Walmart, and lots and lots more brands of cereal that want to be there-who might bring a few extra dollars to walmart they were on the shelf-but don’t get to be there because other brands bring more dollars to Walmart. If a cereal brand wants to be on the shelves at Walmart it’s there job to prove they can provide enough value. It’s a privileged be on Walmart’s shelves.

GuyB (Walmart) can pick and choose which members (cereal) he allows to post here (be on the shelves)...it is your job to prove you have enough value (abide by the rules, not piss people off, etc) to post and posting is a privilege. GuyB clicking someone-no matter the reason-won’t hurt his bottom line any more than Walmart dropping or not signing a particular brand of cereal because their shelves are full and there is always another cereal brand ready to take their place on the shelf. The only way a cereal company-a commodity-could hurt Walmart is if ALL cereal companies left walmart.

As the commodity, even though you being some value-clicks-you are replaceable and at the bottom of the totem pole. It’s just the way it is. Your eyeballs aren’t as valuable as you think they are.

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