how many places did jlaw gain by cutting off the 1st turn?

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Dark Moto Lord 3/8/2009 2:29pm
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BobbyM wrote:
http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/jlaw_cutting.wmv what do you mouthbreathers don't understand about "track cutting". afuckingmazing. they have track markers for no fucking reason i supoose...sweet. i should start racing again...can...
http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/jlaw_cutting.wmv


what do you mouthbreathers don't understand about "track cutting". afuckingmazing.

they have track markers for no fucking reason i supoose...sweet. i should start racing again...can win a few i bet..

Listen you piece of shit, this has already all been explained to you. Only a stupid shit like you would ignore the explanations. He did what he could do in that moment. You were not there so shut your stupid face.
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What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes. (slowing way, way down) Alessi was one of the few riders who got away clean with the holeshot and Jlaw (who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn) by lap 3 Jlaw was in the lead and pulling away from allessi in 2nd like allesi didn't even belong on the same track. This is a totally pointless debate
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BobbyM 3/8/2009 2:36pm
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BobbyM wrote:
http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/jlaw_cutting.wmv what do you mouthbreathers don't understand about "track cutting". afuckingmazing. they have track markers for no fucking reason i supoose...sweet. i should start racing again...can...
http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/jlaw_cutting.wmv


what do you mouthbreathers don't understand about "track cutting". afuckingmazing.

they have track markers for no fucking reason i supoose...sweet. i should start racing again...can win a few i bet..

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Listen you piece of shit, this has already all been explained to you. Only a stupid shit like you would ignore the explanations. He did what...
Listen you piece of shit, this has already all been explained to you. Only a stupid shit like you would ignore the explanations. He did what he could do in that moment. You were not there so shut your stupid face.
eat sperm sir....
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Let me not be to rude and say what a ride by Jay law! I will be a fan for life. Just the pure talent alone it took for him to do that well in his first 450 race! Awesome. For just the pure racing of it all my hat is off to him and he did it on a non factory bike. Cant wait for him to move up and destroy the competition! This is all good for racing!

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Ozy wrote:
What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes...
What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes. (slowing way, way down) Alessi was one of the few riders who got away clean with the holeshot and Jlaw (who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn) by lap 3 Jlaw was in the lead and pulling away from allessi in 2nd like allesi didn't even belong on the same track. This is a totally pointless debate
People hate to hate. Ignorance is bliss.
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BobbyM 3/8/2009 2:40pm
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Ozy wrote:
What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes...
What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes. (slowing way, way down) Alessi was one of the few riders who got away clean with the holeshot and Jlaw (who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn) by lap 3 Jlaw was in the lead and pulling away from allessi in 2nd like allesi didn't even belong on the same track. This is a totally pointless debate
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn wasn't blocked by the downed riders. say all you want...vids don't lie. he cheated...not on purpose but his cheating resulted in a huge advantage. can anybody dispute that? anybody?
and good point...(who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn)

you see jlaw didn't stop, he just turned left, bypassed the carnage and made his own detour....then got away with it. good for him i guess
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Ozy wrote:
What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes...
What makes this debate worthless is that there was a first turn crash and the majority of the riders reacted to it by using their brakes. (slowing way, way down) Alessi was one of the few riders who got away clean with the holeshot and Jlaw (who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn) by lap 3 Jlaw was in the lead and pulling away from allessi in 2nd like allesi didn't even belong on the same track. This is a totally pointless debate
BobbyM wrote:
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn...
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn wasn't blocked by the downed riders. say all you want...vids don't lie. he cheated...not on purpose but his cheating resulted in a huge advantage. can anybody dispute that? anybody?
and good point...(who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn)

you see jlaw didn't stop, he just turned left, bypassed the carnage and made his own detour....then got away with it. good for him i guess
I read in another thread that the AMA reviewed the incident. I would assume this to be a true fact. I would be very interested to know the criteria they used to reach their conclusion that Jlaw didn't obtain an unfair advantage?

Does anybody have any more information on what variables are used to make this decision?
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eat sperm sir....
Do you find it hard to hide the fact that you are gay?
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Are you guys kidding me..?? Watch the video again. He slid to a stop to miss the carnage. By the time he stopped he was already...
Are you guys kidding me..??
Watch the video again. He slid to a stop to miss the carnage. By the time he stopped he was already inside the tuff blocks.
If you really watch it the only guy to make a hard left turn across the track and cut it was Ferry..

I can't tell how many he passes because the video doesn't show him entering the track or a good enough view of how many got stopped up on the outside of the turn.

I do know that if any of you are counting, Windham, Poto, Reed, Hill, Stewart, Byrne, Short, Tedesco, Hepler, Sipes or Millsaps, plus a few other bikes I can't see numbers on, in your number you are complete jack asses because they are all stopped in the first corner.
if you count them in your number then you have lost all credibility as a fan of this sport.
The next thing you will be saying is he should have waited for all of them to get up and take off before he went.


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http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/jlaw_cutting.wmv what do you mouthbreathers don't understand about "track cutting". afuckingmazing. they have track markers for no fucking reason i supoose...sweet. i should start racing again...can...
http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/jlaw_cutting.wmv


what do you mouthbreathers don't understand about "track cutting". afuckingmazing.

they have track markers for no fucking reason i supoose...sweet. i should start racing again...can win a few i bet..

Yeah if your Bultaco was fueled by Bull shit you would be unfuckingstopable.

12. A rider leaving the course must re-enter at the same point
or at the first point where he can safely without interfering
with other riders and without gaining an advantage. A rider
who fails to do so may be docked at least one finishing
position for the moto at the discretion of the referee. In
stadium motocross and Arenacross, a rider leaving the
course must be allowed to re-enter the course without
riding backward and may not be penalized, at the
discretion of the referee.

There is the AMA rule regarding this. If you know the rules and realize he was already off the course then re entering where he did was the safest option. It also states the rider may enter the track with out having to go backwards.
On the other hand Ferry was not and he in fact cut left then cut the track.
Wonder why your not bagging on him..?

What is amazing to me is how one sided you are.. How quick you are to call people names and how quick you are to judge sitting at home while others that are actually there, have all the camera clips and angles at their disposal make a decision that is not the same as yours.
The AMA has all this they watched it and have decided it was ok. I guess the extra camera angles you didn't get to see have no bearing on your view of an AMA conspiracy in the works..




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These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the haters? Cmon. He didnt slid off the track. He braked and turned. Didn't touch anyone. He didnt crash and end up off the track, he turned off. I want more guys up front battling as we all do but not like that.
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BobbyM wrote:
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn...
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn wasn't blocked by the downed riders. say all you want...vids don't lie. he cheated...not on purpose but his cheating resulted in a huge advantage. can anybody dispute that? anybody?
and good point...(who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn)

you see jlaw didn't stop, he just turned left, bypassed the carnage and made his own detour....then got away with it. good for him i guess
You are wrong, watch the video -- J-Law was blocked by the riders in front of him.
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BobbyM wrote:
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn...
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn wasn't blocked by the downed riders. say all you want...vids don't lie. he cheated...not on purpose but his cheating resulted in a huge advantage. can anybody dispute that? anybody?
and good point...(who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn)

you see jlaw didn't stop, he just turned left, bypassed the carnage and made his own detour....then got away with it. good for him i guess
Dark Moto Lord wrote:
You are wrong, watch the video -- J-Law was blocked by the riders in front of him.
You are wrong, watch the video -- J-Law was blocked by the riders in front of him.
You cant cut the track because its blocked for a few seconds. It isnt a GNCC and make your own trail.
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BobbyM wrote:
i say at least 12 on the first lap alone. what do you say.

isn't that an advantage to the AMA?




http://bobbymx.com/...Y09/jlaw_cutting.wmv
How many places do you think he gained on the other 19 laps by cutting off the 1st turn?
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this is good bench racing

I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go backwards before he could get to the outside. If that's what the rules state then cutting the inside to avoid the pile up was within the rules - no?

Didn't reed have to stop and pull his front tire out of another downed riders rear wheel before he got going again? Reed finished the first lap in 8th place. Jlaw was definitely in front of Reed and would have exited the first turn in front of Reed w/out the pile up

I just don't see how anybody can say 338 obtained an unfair advantage
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Do you find it hard to hide the fact that you are gay?
actually it is pretty easy you dick-hider...now hide my dick you dumbshit.
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BobbyM 3/8/2009 3:01pm
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BobbyM wrote:
i say at least 12 on the first lap alone. what do you say.

isn't that an advantage to the AMA?




http://bobbymx.com/...Y09/jlaw_cutting.wmv
feirmeoir wrote:
How many places do you think he gained on the other 19 laps by cutting off the 1st turn?
i'll go with...one lap?
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These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the...
These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the haters? Cmon. He didnt slid off the track. He braked and turned. Didn't touch anyone. He didnt crash and end up off the track, he turned off. I want more guys up front battling as we all do but not like that.
That is complete BS. What video are you watching?
He clearly grabs the brakes and slides to a stop. When avoiding Windham he goes to the left. Then when he reaches the end of his slide he is already inside the tuff block and off the track with his front tire pointing left.
you guys keep saying watch the vid. I have apparently watched it more than you have. Or at least I watched it with an open mind.
I counted 14 riders on the ground or completely stopped in the first turn carnage. Not including J-law and Ferry. Those riders are all fair game to pass.

Don't watch Bobby's little video watch this bigger version over and over and you decide.
http://blip.tv/file/1853731

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BobbyM wrote:
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn...
facts don't lie...opinions do. the vid shows facts...he cut off the entire first turn instead of going around it, down riders and all. the first turn wasn't blocked by the downed riders. say all you want...vids don't lie. he cheated...not on purpose but his cheating resulted in a huge advantage. can anybody dispute that? anybody?
and good point...(who a lot of people are riled up about came to an almost compete stop at the first turn)

you see jlaw didn't stop, he just turned left, bypassed the carnage and made his own detour....then got away with it. good for him i guess
Dark Moto Lord wrote:
You are wrong, watch the video -- J-Law was blocked by the riders in front of him.
You are wrong, watch the video -- J-Law was blocked by the riders in front of him.
todder wrote:
You cant cut the track because its blocked for a few seconds. It isnt a GNCC and make your own trail.
todder has a good point, you do not get to cut out any of the track because of a pile up. You have to wait till its cleared and then go or weave your way through it if you can. As BM said, that's why there are track markers, if you can go inside or outside the markers then why now just cut it any time someone is in front of you? Once the race starts its all inside the markers unless you are forced off.. and Jlaw simply turned off.
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todder wrote:
These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the...
These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the haters? Cmon. He didnt slid off the track. He braked and turned. Didn't touch anyone. He didnt crash and end up off the track, he turned off. I want more guys up front battling as we all do but not like that.
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That is complete BS. What video are you watching? He clearly grabs the brakes and slides to a stop. When avoiding Windham he goes to the...
That is complete BS. What video are you watching?
He clearly grabs the brakes and slides to a stop. When avoiding Windham he goes to the left. Then when he reaches the end of his slide he is already inside the tuff block and off the track with his front tire pointing left.
you guys keep saying watch the vid. I have apparently watched it more than you have. Or at least I watched it with an open mind.
I counted 14 riders on the ground or completely stopped in the first turn carnage. Not including J-law and Ferry. Those riders are all fair game to pass.

Don't watch Bobby's little video watch this bigger version over and over and you decide.
http://blip.tv/file/1853731

i guess with that "cheaters" logic if a rider stalls his bike at the line he can legally turn right off the gate (daytona) and everythings cool right? screw the first turn since there's a pile up and we wouldn't want to "kill" anybody laying there right?

laughing my fucking ass off....dorks.

http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/day09_start.wmv
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todder wrote:
These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the...
These guys are like Obama supporters. Jlaw can do no wrong. He cheats and cuts the track, many people point it out yet we are the haters? Cmon. He didnt slid off the track. He braked and turned. Didn't touch anyone. He didnt crash and end up off the track, he turned off. I want more guys up front battling as we all do but not like that.
Homey wrote:
That is complete BS. What video are you watching? He clearly grabs the brakes and slides to a stop. When avoiding Windham he goes to the...
That is complete BS. What video are you watching?
He clearly grabs the brakes and slides to a stop. When avoiding Windham he goes to the left. Then when he reaches the end of his slide he is already inside the tuff block and off the track with his front tire pointing left.
you guys keep saying watch the vid. I have apparently watched it more than you have. Or at least I watched it with an open mind.
I counted 14 riders on the ground or completely stopped in the first turn carnage. Not including J-law and Ferry. Those riders are all fair game to pass.

Don't watch Bobby's little video watch this bigger version over and over and you decide.
http://blip.tv/file/1853731

BobbyM wrote:
i guess with that "cheaters" logic if a rider stalls his bike at the line he can legally turn right off the gate (daytona) and everythings...
i guess with that "cheaters" logic if a rider stalls his bike at the line he can legally turn right off the gate (daytona) and everythings cool right? screw the first turn since there's a pile up and we wouldn't want to "kill" anybody laying there right?

laughing my fucking ass off....dorks.

http://bobbymx.com/DAY09/day09_start.wmv
I'm laughing at how riders like him, Millsaps, Reed, Villopoto and Stewart treat Alessi like he is a berm all the time.
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There were a bunch of photohounds hogging the first turn, I suppose he could have run over them. A few less photogs wouldnt be a bad thing either.
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I'm laughing at how riders like him, Millsaps, Reed, Villopoto and Stewart treat Alessi like he is a berm all the time.
great relevent comeback jizzburglar...good job.
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There were a bunch of photohounds hogging the first turn, I suppose he could have run over them. A few less photogs wouldnt be a bad...
There were a bunch of photohounds hogging the first turn, I suppose he could have run over them. A few less photogs wouldnt be a bad thing either.
why you turning on TFS now pauly? hehehe

weird but i didn't see one photog in the 1st turn...did you?
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Ozy wrote:
this is good bench racing I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go...
this is good bench racing

I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go backwards before he could get to the outside. If that's what the rules state then cutting the inside to avoid the pile up was within the rules - no?

Didn't reed have to stop and pull his front tire out of another downed riders rear wheel before he got going again? Reed finished the first lap in 8th place. Jlaw was definitely in front of Reed and would have exited the first turn in front of Reed w/out the pile up

I just don't see how anybody can say 338 obtained an unfair advantage
Dave you're just making too much sense and those without any can't understand what you're saying.

I have been accused of being a JLaw hater, but I just call it like I see it. In this case I see someone who took the only option available to them and made the best of it. He had a little luck last night, but deserved the position he got.
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BobbyM 3/8/2009 3:26pm
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Ozy wrote:
this is good bench racing I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go...
this is good bench racing

I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go backwards before he could get to the outside. If that's what the rules state then cutting the inside to avoid the pile up was within the rules - no?

Didn't reed have to stop and pull his front tire out of another downed riders rear wheel before he got going again? Reed finished the first lap in 8th place. Jlaw was definitely in front of Reed and would have exited the first turn in front of Reed w/out the pile up

I just don't see how anybody can say 338 obtained an unfair advantage
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Dave you're just making too much sense and those without any can't understand what you're saying. I have been accused of being a JLaw hater, but...
Dave you're just making too much sense and those without any can't understand what you're saying.

I have been accused of being a JLaw hater, but I just call it like I see it. In this case I see someone who took the only option available to them and made the best of it. He had a little luck last night, but deserved the position he got.
might wanna read the rule book....not that it matters. lol
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Ozy wrote:
this is good bench racing I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go...
this is good bench racing

I don't think JLaw had the option of staying on the track and going to the outside without having to go backwards before he could get to the outside. If that's what the rules state then cutting the inside to avoid the pile up was within the rules - no?

Didn't reed have to stop and pull his front tire out of another downed riders rear wheel before he got going again? Reed finished the first lap in 8th place. Jlaw was definitely in front of Reed and would have exited the first turn in front of Reed w/out the pile up

I just don't see how anybody can say 338 obtained an unfair advantage
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Dave you're just making too much sense and those without any can't understand what you're saying. I have been accused of being a JLaw hater, but...
Dave you're just making too much sense and those without any can't understand what you're saying.

I have been accused of being a JLaw hater, but I just call it like I see it. In this case I see someone who took the only option available to them and made the best of it. He had a little luck last night, but deserved the position he got.
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might wanna read the rule book....not that it matters. lol
Didn't the AMA already review it? Too bad this isn't a situation where your opinion matters.
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Does it taste salty?

I give this guy a few more months tops.
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There were a bunch of photohounds hogging the first turn, I suppose he could have run over them. A few less photogs wouldnt be a bad...
There were a bunch of photohounds hogging the first turn, I suppose he could have run over them. A few less photogs wouldnt be a bad thing either.
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why you turning on TFS now pauly? hehehe

weird but i didn't see one photog in the 1st turn...did you?
6 of them standing inside the first turn, one rushes almost right into the crash to get his money shots, Jlaw thinks quick and steers clear of them by oh say 20ft so he can avoid passing the pack during the race. Why pass them later when he could pass them now. Didnt David Bailey say if you aint cheating you aint hungry to win.?
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Camp332 3/8/2009 3:33pm
3/8/2009 3:33pm
The only people making a big to do about this, are website cronies. He did the right thing, and did not add to the carnage. The whole first turn was jammed up with bodies and bikes.

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