Here's what's potentially wrong between FIM and AMA

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:15pm
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation.

(yes I know it never happened)

And the AMA does nothing to the 250F rider who yes I know

(was either to sick or wasn't there)

Two sanctioning bodies for one event is ridiculous.

oh wait I know lets let the Promoter make the call and be influenced by his sponsors

I'm just say'n
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Give it up man you're like a broken record sometimes.
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bogdan912 wrote:
Give it up man you're like a broken record sometimes.
I agree it's getting old really.
2/4/2009 6:41am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:19pm
But how could that happen?


Don't you mean that FIM fines / suspends Boniface and Hansen (although it never happened, it was these two who got into the altercation) and doesn't fine / suspend the other 250F rider?


Why wouldn't the FIM be responsible for all penalties and fine here. If they did/do not fine/suspend the other rider, then it would look pretty prejudiced if the AMA were to jump in and fine/suspend him wouldn't it?
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500 has a point.

MX/SX needs someone to rule with an iron fist, a person that won't be swayed by a sponsor's agent crying about taking the money elsewhere if their little pet project is held accountable for their actions. Until that person steps up, the sport will not grow.

Once again I'll ask, how much will DC tolerate this summer and will he be the one to start putting the hammer down?

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TheWeapon wrote:
But how could that happen? Don't you mean that FIM fines / suspends Boniface and Hansen (although it never happened, it was these two who got...
But how could that happen?


Don't you mean that FIM fines / suspends Boniface and Hansen (although it never happened, it was these two who got into the altercation) and doesn't fine / suspend the other 250F rider?


Why wouldn't the FIM be responsible for all penalties and fine here. If they did/do not fine/suspend the other rider, then it would look pretty prejudiced if the AMA were to jump in and fine/suspend him wouldn't it?
The FIM has jurisdiction in the 450 class, but not the 250 class as it is considered a "regional" series.

Hansen and Boniface are riding under joint FIM/ AMA rules.

The other rider who shall not be named because he was home sick is the problem of the AMA and possibly the promoter.
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It may be old, but sure sounds like the problem will never be fixed.

of course then everyone won't be able to bitch about how bad issues are for the sport and such.

just be nice to see enforcement by someone on issues that need addressed. when any sanctioning body allows the inmates to run the asyllum* well it loses creditibilty.
2/4/2009 6:46am
BMLracer wrote:
The FIM has jurisdiction in the 450 class, but not the 250 class as it is considered a "regional" series. Hansen and Boniface are riding under...
The FIM has jurisdiction in the 450 class, but not the 250 class as it is considered a "regional" series.

Hansen and Boniface are riding under joint FIM/ AMA rules.

The other rider who shall not be named because he was home sick is the problem of the AMA and possibly the promoter.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. That does seem a little backwards doesn't it? You make a good point 500guy
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500guy wrote:
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation. (yes I know it never happened) And the AMA...
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation.

(yes I know it never happened)

And the AMA does nothing to the 250F rider who yes I know

(was either to sick or wasn't there)

Two sanctioning bodies for one event is ridiculous.

oh wait I know lets let the Promoter make the call and be influenced by his sponsors

I'm just say'n
sounds like the recipe for a succesful business......
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BMLracer wrote:
500 has a point. MX/SX needs someone to rule with an iron fist, a person that won't be swayed by a sponsor's agent crying about taking...
500 has a point.

MX/SX needs someone to rule with an iron fist, a person that won't be swayed by a sponsor's agent crying about taking the money elsewhere if their little pet project is held accountable for their actions. Until that person steps up, the sport will not grow.

Once again I'll ask, how much will DC tolerate this summer and will he be the one to start putting the hammer down?
An iron fist you say?
Whitelock tried and all everyone ever did was bitch and moan.

Which way do you y'all want it?
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Whitelock was still a puppet of the OEM's and no one ever respected him.

Again, what is the general consensus on DC being the "iron fist" this sport needs? His father ruled with a heavy hand and got stuff done, can DC2 command the same respect and influence to guide the sport away from cowering to the OEM's and sponsors whims?
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What do you think?

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BMLracer wrote:
Whitelock was still a puppet of the OEM's and no one ever respected him. Again, what is the general consensus on DC being the "iron fist"...
Whitelock was still a puppet of the OEM's and no one ever respected him.

Again, what is the general consensus on DC being the "iron fist" this sport needs? His father ruled with a heavy hand and got stuff done, can DC2 command the same respect and influence to guide the sport away from cowering to the OEM's and sponsors whims?
respect is either earned or demanded......
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Spinner wrote:
What do you think?

Well, judging from what I have seen in the past at LL's and at some races, I think he's not going to make a new set of friends from the "special interests" in the paddock. I also think he's going to be close pals with some of the "trouble makers" in the paddock. And, in the short term I think there are a lot of people who are going to MF him, MX Sports, and the magazine (both publicly and silently). I do see him quickly running out of patience for certain patterns of behavior. In the long term I see him as firm, yet fair to everyone from the OEM's to the guy in his van in the north forty, just as he is at LL's.

But, that's just my opinion based on situations I have watched in the past.
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Too many cooks in the kitchen.
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500guy wrote:
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation. (yes I know it never happened) And the AMA...
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation.

(yes I know it never happened)

And the AMA does nothing to the 250F rider who yes I know

(was either to sick or wasn't there)

Two sanctioning bodies for one event is ridiculous.

oh wait I know lets let the Promoter make the call and be influenced by his sponsors

I'm just say'n
Jay,
nothing has changed and without sounding to negative, nothing will change. The same scenario has happened over and over again without rule enforcement. When money dictates the outcome "doing the right thing" will lose every time. Sad but true.
Set standards and stand by them.
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So what if MX Sports hires and puts into place an authority with experience on both sides of the fence? Someone who can relate to not only the teams, but the riders, mechanics, AND fans. Someone that's level-headed, has no bias in regards to sponsors, his magazine(s), or any other entity. Someone well spoken, someone who can bring down the thunder when need be and someone who could write a press release that didn't kiss everyone's ass including their own and someone who could be thrown in front of a TV camera and not look like a complete jackleg.

Now, who do you think that could be?

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Spinner wrote:
So what if MX Sports hires and puts into place an authority with experience on both sides of the fence? Someone who can relate to not...
So what if MX Sports hires and puts into place an authority with experience on both sides of the fence? Someone who can relate to not only the teams, but the riders, mechanics, AND fans. Someone that's level-headed, has no bias in regards to sponsors, his magazine(s), or any other entity. Someone well spoken, someone who can bring down the thunder when need be and someone who could write a press release that didn't kiss everyone's ass including their own and someone who could be thrown in front of a TV camera and not look like a complete jackleg.

Now, who do you think that could be?

yeah Jimmy Button would be good!
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Joe Boehler?
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2/4/2009 7:52am
500guy wrote:
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation. (yes I know it never happened) And the AMA...
Lets just say for example , FIM fines or suspends Boniface and Hansen over last Saturday's altercation.

(yes I know it never happened)

And the AMA does nothing to the 250F rider who yes I know

(was either to sick or wasn't there)

Two sanctioning bodies for one event is ridiculous.

oh wait I know lets let the Promoter make the call and be influenced by his sponsors

I'm just say'n
Click. Dont upset the natives.
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bogdan912 wrote:
Give it up man you're like a broken record sometimes.
Don't like it don't read it, simple as that.

This is not about one person it's about the AMA and the FIM and potential problems.

I will site the fuel issue a few years ago , Whitelock took points from Ricky more than he even earned and the FIM was maybe willing to doc some points but not the same amount if any as the AMA.

That is a huge cluster and the Sport needs to address it and fix it.

Now we have the possible case of FIM riders having altercations with AMA riders .

What happens when one body rules harsh and the other just say's "Hey don't do that" ?
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KAWboy14 wrote:
yeah Jimmy Button would be good!
Jimmy Button is an agent. He represents more than a few riders in the pits, including one or two that has been know to cause a "problem" or two over the last couple years. And I don't think you're going to talk JB into leaving WMG in order to baby sit.

Honestly, I think DC is going to have to be "that guy" for a little while. He's going to have to be the "Big Bill France" that founded NASCAR (not the Mike Helton or whomever of today that has perfected the art of sweeping things under the rug) for a while. This will not make him a popular guy in the short term, but in the long run will be the best thing for the sport.

If it's not DC, then it is going to have to be someone that comes in with no prior attachment to the OEM's, Sponsors, Sanctioning body, etc. Someone with a clean slate and a "you will respect me because I am fair and honest with everyone" attitude.
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I agree about having one ruling body 100%, but it sure seems like you have a different agenda...

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