Charlotte USGP in trouble? Cancelled!

Mr. Ted wrote:

What about the 'Wick?

Mr. Ted wrote:

What about the 'Wick?

Stuntman949 wrote:

Seemed like a genuinely good experience for those that attended last year, yes?

MotoX85 wrote:

Ok we are going to have to start telling in like it is. Riders are getting screwed over and these promoters are getting rich. Time for...

Ok we are going to have to start telling in like it is. Riders are getting screwed over and these promoters are getting rich. Time for journalist to start telling the truth and finding the facts instead of worrying about pissing people off so the don't get blocked.

I'm getting fed up with the fans of the sport getting screwed over because of greed and there wouldn't even be a sport if it wasn't for the fans.

Right now I would switch from SX to watch MXGP till the US Nats start, but Luongo is a total dipshit and is killing that series.

MotoX85 wrote:

Ok we are going to have to start telling in like it is. Riders are getting screwed over and these promoters are getting rich. Time for...

Ok we are going to have to start telling in like it is. Riders are getting screwed over and these promoters are getting rich. Time for journalist to start telling the truth and finding the facts instead of worrying about pissing people off so the don't get blocked.

I'm getting fed up with the fans of the sport getting screwed over because of greed and there wouldn't even be a sport if it wasn't for the fans.

Right now I would switch from SX to watch MXGP till the US Nats start, but Luongo is a total dipshit and is killing that series.

MotoX85 wrote:

Ok we are going to have to start telling in like it is. Riders are getting screwed over and these promoters are getting rich. Time for...

Ok we are going to have to start telling in like it is. Riders are getting screwed over and these promoters are getting rich. Time for journalist to start telling the truth and finding the facts instead of worrying about pissing people off so the don't get blocked.

I'm getting fed up with the fans of the sport getting screwed over because of greed and there wouldn't even be a sport if it wasn't for the fans.

Right now I would switch from SX to watch MXGP till the US Nats start, but Luongo is a total dipshit and is killing that series.

8tensolutions wrote:

I couldn't disagree more. It is not up to the promotors to pay riders. They are providing the platform for the riders to race in front...

I couldn't disagree more. It is not up to the promotors to pay riders. They are providing the platform for the riders to race in front of the largest audience and taking all the risk with expenses etc. The riders are contractors to the Teams meaning they are not even employees. They are paid salary plus bonuses that they negotiate without the involvement of promotors. A comparison would be stick and ball sports. The NFL doesn't pay Tom Brady, the Patriots do. The Patriots are their own business with their own employees/contractors. The promotors getting "rich" depends on your definition and where are you coming up with this assumption? Even if they are, isn't that what they are in business for? The riders can choose whether to compete in their series or not, just like you choose what track to ride at this weekend.

Also, how are we as fans getting screwed? Charlotte is under new leadership and their requirements don't match with MXGP. So what. We have access to more live moto than ever before and tons of free content. What is there to complain about?

Oldnslo wrote:

It's all about the money.....I say good ridden's to the GP's ! I beleive the way it works is the promotors has to pay a certain...

It's all about the money.....I say good ridden's to the GP's ! I beleive the way it works is the promotors has to pay a certain figure to get the race and then it's up to him to recoup and make a profit. If they are charging a huge amount just to get the event and can't make it back and then make a profit , it makes no sense to pay to get it in thr first place... Overcharging by the GP Rep. Is where the issue lies...why do it if you are going to lose money.. Pretty poor business model...unless going out of business is the goal...Unafilla would be an awesome place to host a GP IMHO.

Oldnslo wrote:

It's all about the money.....I say good ridden's to the GP's ! I beleive the way it works is the promotors has to pay a certain...

It's all about the money.....I say good ridden's to the GP's ! I beleive the way it works is the promotors has to pay a certain figure to get the race and then it's up to him to recoup and make a profit. If they are charging a huge amount just to get the event and can't make it back and then make a profit , it makes no sense to pay to get it in thr first place... Overcharging by the GP Rep. Is where the issue lies...why do it if you are going to lose money.. Pretty poor business model...unless going out of business is the goal...Unafilla would be an awesome place to host a GP IMHO.

Lucifa. wrote:

Is there any difference between FELD, Coombs and Luongo or however the fuck you spell his name? They are all in it to make $$. So...

Is there any difference between FELD, Coombs and Luongo or however the fuck you spell his name? They are all in it to make $$. So why deprive yourself from watching MX/SX because if this?

roninho wrote:

you do realise that the NFL shares over 150 million in revenue per franchise? Youthstream gets ~300k-400k per race in sanction fee, has all the naming...

you do realise that the NFL shares over 150 million in revenue per franchise?

Youthstream gets ~300k-400k per race in sanction fee, has all the naming rights, sponsorships and the VIP package rights of the gp. Oh and the local promoter pays for all the costs to organize and promote, except for the vip and tv package, which should pay for itself i would imagine.

In addition riders used to get 1k each in purse when they made the event. That has changed and both GP and emx riders have to pay an entry fee of 1k (gp) or i think 0.5k (emx), which nets youthstream over 100k per race as well.

As for your point for providing a platform to a large audience (= opportunity for sponsorships), youthstream is not looking at that. See this weekends GP, see dropping races in the US, see the next gp where they race in a country with one of the largest populations world wide but manage to find a spot to build a track where just nobody lives or shows up. Why? Because they get a bigger sanction fee. The same applies to tv rights: the biggest dutch tv network (guaranteed 1 mio viewers) is willing to brosdcast mxgp, but they cannot agree on price. So no exposure, and youthstream is fine with that because they will sell a couple of 1000 mxgp tv packages to fans from the netherlands and still get their income.

In addition, some made a reference in this thread to the Bernie model in F1 and that Luongo is doing the same. Unfortunately Youthstream is not doing the same: in F1 todays last place team gets 50 million in revenue sharing, which is double or triple the budget teams had from sponsorship and oem support 20 years ago. Please compare that to mx.

Youthstream provides nothing. Even worse since youthstream has taken over sanction fees have increased significantly, entry fees have been imposed and purses have been dropped. Event promoters are not making money, and privateers cannot make a living (which is why we've gone from 40 at the gate in bith mx1 and mx2 to a lot less).

i am not suggesting a communistic solution, however my (and i believe many others) anger is that its clear to see that Youthstream is making big money, while event promoters, teams and riders (except for some factory riders) are losing money/barely breaking even or riding for free.
In comparison to your example the nfl: there the profit is first shared between NFL (=youthstream) & franchises (=teams and event promoters in one) and after that the franchises share that with the players (=riders) via the minumum amd max salary cap. Not happening in mx.

And that doesnt even touch the subject that the rights to mxgp are leased/licensed from a not for profit organization made up by members of mx federations who in theory should represent the interest of the mx riders and the sport in general. And it certainly doesnt touch how he managed to get that license and for that term.....

MX114 wrote:

Unadilla should get the date! That would be so sick to see a GP there. It's Euro friendly and arguably the most history in American motocross...

Unadilla should get the date! That would be so sick to see a GP there. It's Euro friendly and arguably the most history in American motocross has taken place there. From the Des Nations back in the day, and the races with Decoster and the old euro guys racing on a track carved outta three foot high grass in the morning.

Motofinne wrote:

You all talk about the death of GPs. People have been talking about the death of GPs for almost decades! But look at were the GPs...

You all talk about the death of GPs. People have been talking about the death of GPs for almost decades! But look at were the GPs stand at the moment.

The GPs are a long way from any kind of "death". Heck look at Qatar, the list of riders have never been longer in the Qatar opener. Yes some riders dropped out because of injury or visa issues but overall the series looks to be fine. The gates are full in pretty much every round in Europe. And add the EMX classes to that.

We can all hate on Luongo and the way he does things but it works. I would argue that the GPs are in a way better state than DCs nationals.

Motofinne wrote:

You all talk about the death of GPs. People have been talking about the death of GPs for almost decades! But look at were the GPs...

You all talk about the death of GPs. People have been talking about the death of GPs for almost decades! But look at were the GPs stand at the moment.

The GPs are a long way from any kind of "death". Heck look at Qatar, the list of riders have never been longer in the Qatar opener. Yes some riders dropped out because of injury or visa issues but overall the series looks to be fine. The gates are full in pretty much every round in Europe. And add the EMX classes to that.

We can all hate on Luongo and the way he does things but it works. I would argue that the GPs are in a way better state than DCs nationals.

ehr400 wrote:

Sorry fellow Finlander but you are way off on this obervation.