#projecttweaker 2002 YZ 250 build (update)

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4/15/2016 10:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/15/2016 10:39pm
HardTaco wrote:
It will be well worth it. Cylinder head, 4 washers and spring. Simple install and well well with it
RandyS wrote:
So did you buy a new head or alter yours? I took mine and put it on my lathe, didn't spin it but if the plug...
So did you buy a new head or alter yours? I took mine and put it on my lathe, didn't spin it but if the plug threads are straight it would be easy to take some metal off. Also did you put a flywheel weight on or does the mod eliminate the need?
cwtoyota wrote:
I do the same; turn them on my good old Clausing lathe. If you know how to cut threads, you can make a sweet mandrel from...
I do the same; turn them on my good old Clausing lathe. If you know how to cut threads, you can make a sweet mandrel from some 3/4" aluminum round bar. The thread is 14mm x 1.25mm, but you can honestly get away with 20 thread per inch if your lathe doesn't do metric.

I go the opposite direction though, more compression & tighter squish.

If you do modify your head, try to get somewhere in the .045" clearance range on the squish band. Most YZ's need a bunch of material removed from the gasket surface to achieve that. On the heads I've done, .025" to .035" of removal seems to be typical. The standard squish clearance is usually more than .070" The tighter squish clearance in the .045" - .050" range will help the engine run cleaner and jetting will be easier regardless of the compression ratio you go for.

I run 19.5cc heads for motocross, but that may be too aggressive for most woods riders. 21cc to 22cc, maybe more? is probably great in the woods. Has anyone cc'd a 250X head?

The 1999 - 2002 YZ250 motocross bike has a larger head than the 2003 - 2010 US model. It's somewhere in the 21.5cc range. The '03 - '10 US model is around 20.5cc and the '11+ model YZ250 is the worldwide spec, so it's back to something like 21.5cc.

Those cc measurements are all with a stock NGK BR8EG spark plug.
Thanks. It looks like 14mm x 1.25 is a wheel stud size. A stud with a cut down lug nut for a lock should work. Do you measure the volume with liquid? I just have an old Craftsman/Atlas Lathe like the one in the picture, it's fine for removing some material, turning hubs, etc. I don't think I'd trust it for surfacing anything.

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4/15/2016 10:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/15/2016 11:12pm
This is from MXAs test.

Cylinder head and cylinder. The head volume was increased by 2.1cc from 21.5cc to 23.6cc. This added volume reduced the compression ratio from 8.9:1 to 7.9:1. The exhaust port height was raised 0.5mm, and the power valve shape was updated to match the exhaust port height.


And does the profile of the dome make much difference or is it just volume? This is the first 250t I've had since my 97 YZ. Seems like the head on that was a lot smoother whereas the 03 is more of a deep hole in the middle. I've forgotten everything I ever knew about 2 strokes in the last 18 1/2 years years of tractors.

While we're on the subject of heads, I had a flashback of a head with craters in it like a golf ball. Anyone remember that?

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4/16/2016 2:18am
The wheel-stud is an excellent idea!

As for the volume, I use a piece of transparent lexan, acrylic or plexi-glass with two holes drilled in it. One hole is about 1/8" diameter and allows the air to escape. The other hole is sized to snugly fit on the tip of a plastic 50cc syringe. Smear a little grease around the sealing surface of the head, then press the lexan or plexi-glass on there. I just pump water in until the air is all gone.

Absolutely cut the gasket surface down and set the squish clearance. You really gain a lot on these YZs because the clearance is so wide on the stock bikes. They run so much cleaner when you get the squish down below .050". Jetting is easier, the bike runs crisp and there is less chance for detonation.

That lathe is fine, as long as you have enough swing to clear the head-stay on the casting. Cut the gasket surface as square and smooth as you can, then use some sand-paper to lap it smooth. Start with 220 or 320 and work your way to 600. Lapping is done in a figure-eight pattern. I like to stop, pick up the head and rotate it a little every couple of strokes so I don't burn down one area too fast. You don't want to push down, the weight of the head is enough. A flat piece of glass (mirror or a picture frame) is flat enough to place your sand-paper on. If your wife has nice granite counter-tops, wait until she's gone and use that, they are typically very flat.

Don't worry, it will seal if you take your time.

You want to keep that cone shaped band around the outside perimeter. You can reduce the width of it, but you want that squish band to follow the shape of the piston. Often times the squish clearance tapers from a tight clearance at the piston crown to a slightly wider clearance as you move in toward the center.

These YZ250 heads have a prominent "corner" between the squish band and the dome. If you have a compound cross-slide on your lathe, you can use it to roughly split the difference of the angle between the sqush band and the dome. Effectively you're making the dome a little larger and the squish-band a little narrower.

If you set the squish clearance first, you can CC the head and then determine how much larger it needs to be. Then set up your compound cross-slide and cut off a few mm of material. CC it again and if necessary take off a little more.

I haven't read anything on the 250X, interesting to know those numbers, thanks.

Here's a photo of the stock YZ250 head from a 2003 - 2010 US model (20.5cc) and a head which is cut in the way I described above to increase volume.



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I installed the OEM 250x cylinder head. Yesterday I smoked the crank on it riding a big field section.....guess I should have checked the crank a little better when I did the piston and cylinder .....lol. While it's apart I'm gonna install the 250x gears also. Went ahead and pulled the suspension today to get to my guy.

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And for whoever asked, I installed the 16 airbox so it would take 16 plastic, I like the look of the new stuff and have spares from my race bike.
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4/16/2016 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 2:16pm
RandyS wrote:
So did you buy a new head or alter yours? I took mine and put it on my lathe, didn't spin it but if the plug...
So did you buy a new head or alter yours? I took mine and put it on my lathe, didn't spin it but if the plug threads are straight it would be easy to take some metal off. Also did you put a flywheel weight on or does the mod eliminate the need?
Yes 250x OEM head. 9oz flywheel weight. I run the gytr weight on my race bike but they don't make one for a 2002 so I did a steahly 9 oz.
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4/16/2016 5:53pm
HardTaco wrote:
I installed the OEM 250x cylinder head. Yesterday I smoked the crank on it riding a big field section.....guess I should have checked the crank a...
I installed the OEM 250x cylinder head. Yesterday I smoked the crank on it riding a big field section.....guess I should have checked the crank a little better when I did the piston and cylinder .....lol. While it's apart I'm gonna install the 250x gears also. Went ahead and pulled the suspension today to get to my guy.

At least with the YZ250, the rod rarely breaks when the big-end bearing fails. Yamaha makes a really good crank.
I've seen and heard of several Wiseco rods shattering in these bikes and busting the cases.
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cwtoyota wrote:
At least with the YZ250, the rod rarely breaks when the big-end bearing fails. Yamaha makes a really good crank. I've seen and heard of several...
At least with the YZ250, the rod rarely breaks when the big-end bearing fails. Yamaha makes a really good crank.
I've seen and heard of several Wiseco rods shattering in these bikes and busting the cases.
Ditto. The big end bearing definitely is smushed flat but it didn't lock up thank God.
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cwtoyota wrote:
At least with the YZ250, the rod rarely breaks when the big-end bearing fails. Yamaha makes a really good crank. I've seen and heard of several...
At least with the YZ250, the rod rarely breaks when the big-end bearing fails. Yamaha makes a really good crank.
I've seen and heard of several Wiseco rods shattering in these bikes and busting the cases.
Ditto. The big end bearing definitely is smushed flat but it didn't lock up thank God. I'm gonna go with hot rods full kit and make sure she's square. Had good luck with hot rods in the past.
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HardTaco wrote:
Ditto. The big end bearing definitely is smushed flat but it didn't lock up thank God. I'm gonna go with hot rods full kit and make...
Ditto. The big end bearing definitely is smushed flat but it didn't lock up thank God. I'm gonna go with hot rods full kit and make sure she's square. Had good luck with hot rods in the past.
I've never used Hot Rods, but I've heard good things.
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Finally done after I guess about 8 months. I've had a lot of fun with this project and it's literally almost a carbon copy of the new x. I really do love it and wouldn't hesitate to race it in a heart beat if my main yz250x is down.

2002 YZ250

Motor mods :
-Yz250x cylinder head, power valve spring and cdi
-rekluse core exp 2.0
-jd jet kit
-fmf gnarly pipe and stock 2011+ silencer
-steahly 9 oz flywheel weight
-no toil filter
-wiseco piston and hot rods crank

Suspension:
-stock Forks and shock revalved by Total Control for gp/woods/light moto
-applied top clamp so I can run fat bars

Body/controls:
-cr style front brake line with light speed plastic fork guards
-2016 Yz250 plastic, airbox, seat and pegs
-flexx handlebars (10°) with odi emig grips and cycra handguards
-ufo frame guards
-2004 Yz250 master cylinder to get rid of the separate reservoir
-tmdesigns rear chain guide
-ims 3.2 gallon tank
-18 inch rear wheel
-sunstar o-ring chain
-devol skid plate

Overall I love the bike and really don't have any issues with it. With some clicker adjustments the forks are just as good as the sss stuff on my 2016, you just have to adjust clickers more based on track/trail conditions where on the sss you just get a good setting and ride the piss out of it.....anywhere. I do believe the steel frame gets better traction on the dry rough stuff compared to the newer aluminum stuff.

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I also found a #8 slide really helps clean it up as well.
HardTaco
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11/28/2016 8:35pm Edited Date/Time 11/28/2016 8:35pm
Broke down and found some SSS forks to throw on it. My 46mm stock forks were actually really good after total control did them for me..... But still not in the same ball park as my 16 SSS forks that TC did for my race bike. Used an 08-14 yz clamp, 06+ SSS forks and 08 plus axle and spacers. I'm hoping with the steel frame and sss forks this will be the ultimate bike. Look for a ride report after this weekend.......


And can someone move this to bike build section?

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Great thread. How much difference did the CDI make? I've been wanting to try the governor spring and head on my '08, I think you've got me convinced.
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Moto Mofo wrote:
Great thread. How much difference did the CDI make? I've been wanting to try the governor spring and head on my '08, I think you've got...
Great thread. How much difference did the CDI make? I've been wanting to try the governor spring and head on my '08, I think you've got me convinced.
It's hard to say how much difference just one piece makes. I wouldn't do the cdi without the lower compression head first....and I wouldn't do the head without the pv Spring and washers.... Lol. Do them all and you will love it.
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Ohhhemmmgeee this thing is so smooth with the new forks..... If Yamaha built this bike now I'm convinced no one would ever buy a different two stroke. Steel+SSS= butta.....
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Great thread. I have an 03 and put suspension from an 08 450f on. Big difference for sure, but then the forks off the 03 were clapped out. Front brake is weak, I will try some new pads before an oversize rotor, also want to put on a heavier flywheel.
Happiness is buying the blown up 450f for 5 bills, selling the parts off it and funding good stuff for my 03, and basicly free sss suspension!
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notme wrote:
Great thread. I have an 03 and put suspension from an 08 450f on. Big difference for sure, but then the forks off the 03 were...
Great thread. I have an 03 and put suspension from an 08 450f on. Big difference for sure, but then the forks off the 03 were clapped out. Front brake is weak, I will try some new pads before an oversize rotor, also want to put on a heavier flywheel.
Happiness is buying the blown up 450f for 5 bills, selling the parts off it and funding good stuff for my 03, and basicly free sss suspension!
Try ebc sintered metal pads and a stainless line. Mine is pretty strong with thst setup. I haven't had the need for an oversize rotor yet
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Switching to a Honda complete front brake with oversize rotor was one of the best upgrades I have made to my YZ.
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OK... Wasn't quite done. Sourced a new style swingarm which is lighter, the newer 18mm shock and now have current yz brakes all the way around..... Really love this bike!

1/21/2017 8:22am
So, how is it compared to your new 250x?
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So, how is it compared to your new 250x?
It's hard to say. The 2016 250x feels more precise, but the 2002 is more stable and planted in the rough and nasty chop. Each one has its positives. The steel frame is becoming my favorite though because of the looks people give it while riding Cool

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