Better Racing thru IV's & Caffeine ?

12/30/2016 2:54am
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Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns. Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not...
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns.
Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not exclusively) for pulmonary hypertension, regardless of gender.
My micro biology teacher was telling me that when they were initially testing it on lab rats they noticed that they all had boners....and then they re branded it.
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it gets. I'm not even fast or whatever but I could do the 100 yards sprints test without much problem. Anyone who is more or less in shape could.
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
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8-10 times. Of all the football players that line up to do this how many finish all 8-10 within the time limit? Also how much does...
8-10 times. Of all the football players that line up to do this how many finish all 8-10 within the time limit? Also how much does a football player slow down over the 8-10 sprints? I bet you if you take a well conditioned MX athlete and have them do 8-10 sprints their times won't drop off as much as the football players.
You clearly never played football at any lvl above pop warner if ever played at all ! As with most mx riders . A mx rider won't finish 1/2 of those sprints much less maintain full speed . A hr monitor doesn't show the % your muscles are putting out . Shows a lot of ignorance that you don't give credit to any other sports or the dr's that say it takes more effort to accually run a 100 yards than to ride bike the same amount of time
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
Turbojez wrote:
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it...
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it gets. I'm not even fast or whatever but I could do the 100 yards sprints test without much problem. Anyone who is more or less in shape could.
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk back to line n sprint again 8-10 times . Bet you don't complete 5

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12/30/2016 5:18am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2016 9:57am
Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
Turbojez wrote:
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it...
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it gets. I'm not even fast or whatever but I could do the 100 yards sprints test without much problem. Anyone who is more or less in shape could.
Bodieg3 wrote:
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk...
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk back to line n sprint again 8-10 times . Bet you don't complete 5
I'm around a division 1 football team all summer as they practice. A in shape and fit motocross racer can do any one of there drills no problem. Sprints, hills, whatever it's really not that intense. Football players are hardly the epitome of fitness. Many are overweight and couldn't do what motocross racers can physically.
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12/30/2016 5:19am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2016 5:41am
Back a few years ago when I was taking racing serious and training everyday I could run circles around a football player. Doesn't matter the drill. A in shape motocross racer is able to physically handle any sort of cardio a football player can with no issue at all.
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I think that the comparison with football is extremely difficult.

Nearly all MXers are doing the same things during a race, facing the same obstacles, etc.

In football, the positions are very specialized. A defensive back is going to train differently than an offensive lineman, etc. I doubt that a lot of racers are going to run as well as the average DB, WR, or RB. Maybe not as well as the average LB, either. But probably better than the average OL guy, who basically moves mountains for short periods of time.

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I think some people have no idea just how in shape a legit motocross racer is! The heart rate and duration they can keep that at is second to none.
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12/30/2016 5:47am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2016 8:09am
It's not even comparable! A football player can eat shit food and drink beer but still be a star if he is capable of busting out some awesome plays here and there. In Moto not a chance. You have to live it and breathe it to compete with the best.
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I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either.

You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian McCaffrey in running drills? Isaiah Brandt-Sims?

Those guys will run all day long, and be fast all day as well.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either. You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian...
I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either.

You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian McCaffrey in running drills? Isaiah Brandt-Sims?

Those guys will run all day long, and be fast all day as well.
You gotta be kidding! Football is a joke compared to Moto. Run a play catch your breath.... repeat... repeat... I watch practices and see the behind the scenes it's nothing compared to what a racer does when on a intense program.
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
Turbojez wrote:
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it...
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it gets. I'm not even fast or whatever but I could do the 100 yards sprints test without much problem. Anyone who is more or less in shape could.
Bodieg3 wrote:
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk...
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk back to line n sprint again 8-10 times . Bet you don't complete 5
I want to see highlights of a game where ANY player on the field ran 100 yards 8 downs in a row.
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12/30/2016 6:02am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2016 6:03am
APLMAN99 wrote:
I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either. You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian...
I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either.

You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian McCaffrey in running drills? Isaiah Brandt-Sims?

Those guys will run all day long, and be fast all day as well.
When I was training hard in 2013 for lorettas I could do any cardio drill a football player does with no problem. My top speed might not be as high since smaller strides but my intensisty and endurance could smoke those guys. I was on a diet and cardio program a pro racer friend of mine had me on based on what he did, and I highly doubt most football players could of hacked it very long. I see what they do, nothing crazy.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either. You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian...
I think some people have no idea how in shape a legit football player is, either.

You truly believe that you could match someone like Christian McCaffrey in running drills? Isaiah Brandt-Sims?

Those guys will run all day long, and be fast all day as well.
MX114 wrote:
You gotta be kidding! Football is a joke compared to Moto. Run a play catch your breath.... repeat... repeat... I watch practices and see the behind...
You gotta be kidding! Football is a joke compared to Moto. Run a play catch your breath.... repeat... repeat... I watch practices and see the behind the scenes it's nothing compared to what a racer does when on a intense program.
You sound exactly like the guy who watches a racer and knows that MX is easy because all you do is twist the throttle.....
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Hardly. It comes from a guy who watches football practices everyday all summer long. You clearly have no clue how hard Moto guys train hahaha!
Typical stick and ball mentality. Maybe you should stick to football dude
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MX114 wrote:
Hardly. It comes from a guy who watches football practices everyday all summer long. You clearly have no clue how hard Moto guys train hahaha! Typical...
Hardly. It comes from a guy who watches football practices everyday all summer long. You clearly have no clue how hard Moto guys train hahaha!
Typical stick and ball mentality. Maybe you should stick to football dude
Football practice is for skill building, etc. It's not the main training done. The things you are seeing are probably warmups, players limbering up, stuff like that. Also there aren't any formal practices allowed for most of the summer. Players themselves generally organize 7 on 7 drills and stuff, but those aren't training either.

You're allowing your bias to make you emotional about this. Maybe some football player ran off with one of your girlfriends or something?

Bottom line is that both sports require a level of commitment to physical training that most of us "common folk" won't commit to, obviously.
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
I've done stuff similar to that after running 3 miles at a 6 minute 30 second pace with minimal rest between...On the other hand, I'm gased after a hare scramble or MX races and have horrible arm pump. I don't think the fitness argument is comparable since all these different sports have a different skill set. Football is a more anarobic in comparison to my sport of choice (cross country) but I get it, football is a physically taxing sport, but just not in the same way as MX.
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12/30/2016 7:09am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2016 8:13am
So let me get this right. Your saying it's not at the summer practice that football players endure this "high intense" cardio drills that Moto guys couldn't do...and it's obv not during the games cause the clocks running and there only exurting thereselves one play at a time with breaks in between... so it must be the "in season" practices where your theory comes to play where a moto guy couldn't hack it? And that lasts maybe 3 months? Hey man to each there own, if you want to think football players are these bad ass athletes then right on dude! To me a football player couldn't hold a Moto guys jack strap. No pun intended. And that's not being bias...It's a fact bro. I don't care what some lame study has to say. Motocross is the gnarliest sport there is and the best athletes on the face of the earth. Nothing else compares especialy the cardio capabilities of a football player.

PS it's the other way around...If I played football instead of moto my chick would leave me for a racer
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
Turbojez wrote:
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it...
I will have to disagree. Moto keeps you at approx 90-100%HR which is as close to "all out physical effort 100% of the time" as it gets. I'm not even fast or whatever but I could do the 100 yards sprints test without much problem. Anyone who is more or less in shape could.
Bodieg3 wrote:
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk...
Go out and do it and report back then with the sprint times ! Not 1/2 effort %100 sprint 100 yards . Jog to stop walk back to line n sprint again 8-10 times . Bet you don't complete 5
You didn't reply to 1st half of my post and you are mistaken about this whole sprint deal. It's snowing outside so no sprints for me today, sorry. I'll gladly go to gym and do my 10 mile run like very other day though... btw you don't have to be a fitness god to run intervals and it is just that (if I understood the exercise correctly of course).
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go do you HIIT workouts for an hour long and tell me if you can still feel your legs and didnt puke your guts out. let alone. Use 100% of the power you can generate every single play for 10 seconds, jog back to the huddle for 20 seconds then stand 15 seconds and do it all over again for an hour.. we will see who is seriously ignorant then. let alone the different styles of training needed to perform each. Football players train for power and explosiveness. endurance training only helps them recover in between plays, as to where motocross riders weigh much less than most football players and their training is based off endurance. Heart rate has nothing to do with muscle performance.. Its like comparing a tour de france cyclist to usain bolt. not relevant at all, so far off base that it would be almost impossible to get results even similar.. tell me which motocross riders can squat at the minimum 405lbs, bench 250+lbs, and clean 225+.. and train anaerobically..
That being said im a motocross guy and a previous football player, but the two are vastly different, while i do think motocross athletes are incredibly in shape, its a different fit than football players..

go research it and do some science work and you will clearly see the different methodologies.
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MX114 wrote:
So let me get this right. Your saying it's not at the summer practice that football players endure this "high intense" cardio drills that Moto guys...
So let me get this right. Your saying it's not at the summer practice that football players endure this "high intense" cardio drills that Moto guys couldn't do...and it's obv not during the games cause the clocks running and there only exurting thereselves one play at a time with breaks in between... so it must be the "in season" practices where your theory comes to play where a moto guy couldn't hack it? And that lasts maybe 3 months? Hey man to each there own, if you want to think football players are these bad ass athletes then right on dude! To me a football player couldn't hold a Moto guys jack strap. No pun intended. And that's not being bias...It's a fact bro. I don't care what some lame study has to say. Motocross is the gnarliest sport there is and the best athletes on the face of the earth. Nothing else compares especialy the cardio capabilities of a football player.

PS it's the other way around...If I played football instead of moto my chick would leave me for a racer
this is the most ignorant thing i have read in a while... While Cardio wise they would probably be better. but they wouldnt be better if those same motocross athletes ran with 50+lbs on them(all which require them to eat more food to be able to recruite the energy to contract each muscle).. most mx athletes are around 145-160.. most football athletes are over 200lbs. Even if we did just runningbacks for an example, Most are over 215lbs. Can squat over 400lbs, can bench press over 300lbs and clean over 250lbs..

not only that, but moto guys are compared between the top 20 in the world. as to where football has 53x32=1,696.Now if we were to grab only the top 20 in the best physical condition i bet cardio wise they would be close, but power and explosiveness wise, moto guys do not stand a chance, and it wouldnt even be close..

and your chick who picks the racer over the football player is a complete moron.. only the top 10 or so make money in moto. as compared to the least paid professional football player, even if they sit the bench all year is $450,000 and thats the first year minimum.
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I read a recent study that suggested absorption may be better if the liquid is consumed orally rather that through an IV.
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Wow what a bunch of squirrels here on a motocross message board. Can't believe the crap I'm reading about comparing football to moto and thinking football is more legit. Look at your last threads you post in here in vital. It's non moto and football banter. Why come here only to dismiss the amazing athletes that motocross racers are.

You know what's the funny part is Al Bundy was a former football player on TV "Married with Children" and it was actually believable hahahaha!! You know why? Cause even a fat slob can play as long as he is big and can knock dudes over. If they tried to say Al was a moto star the world would never of bought it cause he was such a pile. That says it all! Flame on football heroes hope your squad makes the super bowl. I'll be watching and backing a real sport and what there athletes are made of. Motocross!

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Just reading all this and I need a nap.
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You clearly do not understand.. that it is not even compareable.. two very different training methods. im not saying one is better than the other. what im saying is, at their style of fitness, i think respectively they are equal, just different.. dont get your panties in a bunch dude...

their is no dismissing of either athletes in case i didnt make that clear enough for you.
Both are great athletes, with very different styles of training that are tailored to their skills.

again, No dismissing of either athletes

No Dismissing of either athletes.


No Dismisssing of either athletes


wait...

No Dismissing of either athletes.
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I don't think any top moto guy would last 1 quarter being say a quarterback.

Personally, I think football players have to be in 10 times better shape than moto.
They have to be able to run full blast for at least 150 yards(figuring if they run a kick off all the way zig zagging from say, Mid end zone)

They have to beat down guys trying to drag them down the whole way.
They do all this while cutting left, cutting right, backwards maybe, spinning around.

And they have to Endo their body about 100 times a game with a 350 Lb guy or Multiple 300 lb guys trying to drill them into the ground..

I doubt a many guys could endo twice in a night and have 3-4 bikes drill them into the ground also and them be like, lets do it again.

Most moto guys cant last 15 Minutes main event in SX, in 60 degrees.

These timed mains are gonna kill 99% of these dudes.


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MX114 wrote:
So let me get this right. Your saying it's not at the summer practice that football players endure this "high intense" cardio drills that Moto guys...
So let me get this right. Your saying it's not at the summer practice that football players endure this "high intense" cardio drills that Moto guys couldn't do...and it's obv not during the games cause the clocks running and there only exurting thereselves one play at a time with breaks in between... so it must be the "in season" practices where your theory comes to play where a moto guy couldn't hack it? And that lasts maybe 3 months? Hey man to each there own, if you want to think football players are these bad ass athletes then right on dude! To me a football player couldn't hold a Moto guys jack strap. No pun intended. And that's not being bias...It's a fact bro. I don't care what some lame study has to say. Motocross is the gnarliest sport there is and the best athletes on the face of the earth. Nothing else compares especialy the cardio capabilities of a football player.

PS it's the other way around...If I played football instead of moto my chick would leave me for a racer
Yes, it is not at summer "practice" that conditioning takes place.

Top football athletes don't "train" at practice, they learn technique and hone skills. They do most of their conditioning on their own. Even my daughter's high school basketball team had the expectation that you worked on your own to develop conditioning, you certainly didn't get it from the practices alone.

During summer school my roommate and I probably played at least 3 hours of tennis or racquetball a day, at least 6 days a week. Not keeping score, just volleying aggressively so you were in near constant movement. He was 6'8, 305+ pounds and I'm certain that he would have worked most folks into the ground.

That didn't include the couple of hours in the weight room building strength, either.

He was having to eat over 15000 calories a day in order to keep from losing weight. Think about how much work you have to do in order to be losing weight if you go below 15000 calories.......

No one is disparaging the fitness of the top MX/SX riders. Those guys are incredible athletes in their own right, and the sport is completely different than something like football, boxing, and gymnastics.

Stop being so insecure.
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12/30/2016 9:31am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2016 9:37am
Talk shit on motocross and how hard it is and what it takes and I get defensive plain and simple. Call it insecure but it's not the case. I've got buddy's that played high levels of football (colleges) and they ate crap food, drink 3-4 nights a week, and could never in a million years compete with me on a athletic/cardio level at the time. That's what I'm saying is I've seen it from a few different angles and I don't think they are anywhere near the athlete as top racers. Try to be open minded not nieve but I can't agree with any of what you say. Yes maybe lift more weight but nothing else. Either way welcome to your opinion and I am too. Have fun with your pigskin. Later

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Tpog496 wrote:
I read a recent study that suggested absorption may be better if the liquid is consumed orally rather that through an IV.
IVs allow the body to absorb fluids and other nutrients faster.

Your blood circulates through your entire body in about one minute while you are at rest.
In a matter of minutes, you can go from feeling OK to amazing.

Nothing has to pass through the gut, which dilutes potency.

The supplements are instantly absorbed through the blood and go right into the body.

“It’s still on the cutting edge, it’s still very much just theory at this point.”

“But the theory plays out again and again.”


According to a 2011 study in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine


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MX114 wrote:
Talk shit on motocross and how hard it is and what it takes and I get defensive plain and simple. Call it insecure but it's not...
Talk shit on motocross and how hard it is and what it takes and I get defensive plain and simple. Call it insecure but it's not the case. I've got buddy's that played high levels of football (colleges) and they ate crap food, drink 3-4 nights a week, and could never in a million years compete with me on a athletic/cardio level at the time. That's what I'm saying is I've seen it from a few different angles and I don't think they are anywhere near the athlete as top racers. Try to be open minded not nieve but I can't agree with any of what you say. Yes maybe lift more weight but nothing else. Either way welcome to your opinion and I am too. Have fun with your pigskin. Later

Why are you getting defensive? What's their to be defensive about? By the way, you say they couldn't complete with you on an athletic level, right? What's your definition of athletic?

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