Electric Bikes at A1

Project 2501 10/26/2016 11:35pm
10/26/2016 11:35pm
eGGz wrote:
Troll much ?
horrible at trolling. decent at math.
2WheelsForTheMasses 10/27/2016 6:13am
10/27/2016 6:13am
Beast666 wrote:
If Alta wants to try and make there bikes viable for AMA competition the should set up a an exhibition class at the SX races. Make...
If Alta wants to try and make there bikes viable for AMA competition the should set up a an exhibition class at the SX races. Make is similar to the KTM Jr race.

Alta supplies 16 bikes for each round
Local pro riders submit there resumes to Alta
Riders cannot hold an AMA pro card and must have 2 years of "A" class racing under there belts
Riders can compete in only 1 electric class race per season.
The 16 race winners compete in Vegas at the final with the winner taking home a new Alta MX bike.
Races will be 8 laps long and run between the LCQ's and the 250/450 Mains.
eh? stupid
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ga_pike 10/27/2016 6:41am
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Has anyone else here watched any Formula E racing? It's pretty good. I admit, it does seem strange without the normal engine sounds, but the cars are plenty fast. They also remotely limit the amount of power the car receives and give "fan boost" allowing certain cars extra power. That part is a little gimmicky, but watching the races shows me there are lots of options.

I would like to see anew exhibition series outdoors with the electric bikes. Maybe sign up some retired pros to race or grab a group of "struggling" privateers? Have 10-15 bikes and just show people what these bikes can do.

You would be able to have real lep time comparisons and see exactly how the electric bikes would perform. Safer IMO to try outdoors before SX.
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motogrady 10/27/2016 6:48am
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About weight, the 4s have always been heavier.
Back in the day weight was crucial,
But, it seems to one guy, the advancement in suspension has kinda negated that somewhat.

Who knows, the Alta, as is, might be considered a 450 class bike by the AMA.

That's the 64,000 dollar question, well, one of them.

How do you introduce the electrics into the mix, and it still be somewhat fair as far as petrol equipment goes?

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mxridr 10/27/2016 6:55am
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ga_pike wrote:
Has anyone else here watched any Formula E racing? It's pretty good. I admit, it does seem strange without the normal engine sounds, but the cars...
Has anyone else here watched any Formula E racing? It's pretty good. I admit, it does seem strange without the normal engine sounds, but the cars are plenty fast. They also remotely limit the amount of power the car receives and give "fan boost" allowing certain cars extra power. That part is a little gimmicky, but watching the races shows me there are lots of options.

I would like to see anew exhibition series outdoors with the electric bikes. Maybe sign up some retired pros to race or grab a group of "struggling" privateers? Have 10-15 bikes and just show people what these bikes can do.

You would be able to have real lep time comparisons and see exactly how the electric bikes would perform. Safer IMO to try outdoors before SX.
I need to check out that Formula E racing, keep hearing about it. In fact will do so after I post this :-)

It would be cool to see an exhibition race on the ebikes. In fact, you might have seen this one before with riders like Everts, Tixier, and Guillod racing. The thing is, those are the KTM ebikes, which while cool, are not even close to the capabilities of the new ALTA. So excited to see how this segment of the sport moves forward. Racer X also just had a cool write up on the ALTA.
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motogrady 10/27/2016 7:10am
10/27/2016 7:10am

For the lack of noise issue, this may be the answer.......


Privateer model.



Factory model.

No?
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Kampy 10/30/2016 11:19am
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Briefly, In the beginning four strokes were heavy, slow and expensive. Kinda sounds like the Alta. There were also political and economic reasons at play. Technology...
Briefly,

In the beginning four strokes were heavy, slow and expensive. Kinda sounds like the Alta. There were also political and economic reasons at play. Technology eventually bridged the gap. Nowadays we have relatively light and powerful four strokes.

Its very possible that someday electric bikes will perform the same transformation. An idea which I embrace. That being said, my contention remains. The Alta in its current iteration simply cannot defy gravity. Therefore, at this point in time, not competitive.
I agree with your points re: weight, except the part where you say "at this point in time, not competitive."

Despite that fact that it weighs significantly more, and was ridden by a an out-of-shape guy who hadn't raced in 3 years, the bike advanced to the semifinals at RBSR, competing against pros racing the best gas bikes available, on a track with no turns... which is even more impressive considering the one area where the Alta really shines is turns / corners (per Keefer and Hill and any rider with significant time on the Alta)

The Alta will definitely get lighter, faster, better as the tech evolves. As that happens, it will go from "competitive" (which it already is) to "superior"
One Last Comeback 10/30/2016 11:40am
10/30/2016 11:40am
I wonder what the reaction will be when people start riding E bikes on practice days at real tracks. You thought the four-stroke vs. two stroke culture wars were bad.
(Even better, haul your E bike with a Prius)
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eGGz 10/30/2016 12:29pm
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Kampy wrote:
I agree with your points re: weight, except the part where you say "at this point in time, not competitive." Despite that fact that it weighs...
I agree with your points re: weight, except the part where you say "at this point in time, not competitive."

Despite that fact that it weighs significantly more, and was ridden by a an out-of-shape guy who hadn't raced in 3 years, the bike advanced to the semifinals at RBSR, competing against pros racing the best gas bikes available, on a track with no turns... which is even more impressive considering the one area where the Alta really shines is turns / corners (per Keefer and Hill and any rider with significant time on the Alta)

The Alta will definitely get lighter, faster, better as the tech evolves. As that happens, it will go from "competitive" (which it already is) to "superior"
This years RBSR was disappointingly shallow on talent.

A 250 lb. bike won't take much of a toll on a rider in a sub one minute drag race. Throwing the extra weight around for a 30min + 2 moto, different story.

The biggest issue is current battery technology. In order to produce competitive power for a entire moto requires a battery with adequate capacity and power output. At present this comes with considerable weight.
When technology produces a lightweight battery that has the aforementioned capacity and power output. Electric bikes will indeed be superior.
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Spergen 10/30/2016 12:46pm
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RandyS wrote:
This is a totally serious question for someone with electrical engineering knowledge. Is there any possible way that at some point in the future energy could...
This is a totally serious question for someone with electrical engineering knowledge. Is there any possible way that at some point in the future energy could come from a place other than a physical storage on the vehicle? The way radio waves are broadcast for example. Something you can't see comes from one place and is received by your radio/phone/etc. Seems far fetched but so did most of the things I use on a daily basis 30 years ago. Imagine a small battery receiving energy from a remote source on 160 pound electric bike.
Look up Nikola Tesla, very clever guy. Also a good topic if your into conspiracy stuff.
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RangerLee 10/30/2016 7:15pm
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Kampy wrote:
I agree with your points re: weight, except the part where you say "at this point in time, not competitive." Despite that fact that it weighs...
I agree with your points re: weight, except the part where you say "at this point in time, not competitive."

Despite that fact that it weighs significantly more, and was ridden by a an out-of-shape guy who hadn't raced in 3 years, the bike advanced to the semifinals at RBSR, competing against pros racing the best gas bikes available, on a track with no turns... which is even more impressive considering the one area where the Alta really shines is turns / corners (per Keefer and Hill and any rider with significant time on the Alta)

The Alta will definitely get lighter, faster, better as the tech evolves. As that happens, it will go from "competitive" (which it already is) to "superior"
RBSR did not include any of the big triples or quads you find on a SX course, and in SX is where I am picturing electrics racing first as the race time is shorter. I would love to see an Alta or other electric getting the distance we are seeing with the other bikes. It would make a big difference if they could not clear a large set for trips while everyone else is.

Short term issue as they will continue to get better.
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JB 19 10/30/2016 8:09pm
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I'd be interested to know how much weight they can shave off if the bike only has to run for 15 minutes.....like in a sx setting where they can change batteries every race. 20 lbs wouldn't surprise me. There is a big difference in the weight of a 4000 mah lipo and a 7000 mah battery.

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