2017 Health Insurance Premiums

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Who is eligible for a subsidy?

If your employer offers “affordable” comprehensive insurance, you’re not eligible to receive a subsidy in the exchange. Note that the affordability test only applies to coverage for the employee; the cost to add dependents to the plan is not taken into consideration. But if the employee’s coverage is considered affordable, the dependents are not eligible for premium subsidies in the exchange – this is known as the family glitch.

If your employer offers affordable coverage that provides minimum value, you already are receiving a subsidy from your employer in the form of pre-tax health insurance benefits and an employer contribution to your premiums. The exchanges offer subsidized health insurance benefits to the self-employed, the unemployed, and employees who work for a company that does not offer affordable health benefits.

How to calculate your subsidy in four easy steps

The size of your subsidy is based on your income, the number of people in your household, and the price of the benchmark Silver plan in your region.

To calculate the size of your subsidy:

1) Use this table to find out whether your income and household size makes you eligible for a subsidy in 2017 (these numbers are based on the 2016 federal poverty guidelines. Since open enrollment for 2017 begins in 2016, these numbers will be used during open enrollment and throughout 2017).

For instance, as the table indicates, a family of three with household income up to $80,360, and a family of five with income up to $113,640, would be eligible to receive a tax credit, depending on the cost of a Silver plan in their area.

Percent of Federal Poverty Level (FPL)
Household Size 100% 133% 150% 200% 300% 400%
1 $11,880 $15,800 $17,820 $23,760 $35,640 $47,520
2 $16,020 $21,307 $24,030 $32,040 $48,060 $64,080
3 $20,160 $26,813 $30,240 $40,320 $60,480 $80,640
4 $24,300 $32,319 $36,450 $48,600 $72,900 $97,200
5 $28,440 $37,825 $42,660 $56,880 $85,320 $113,760
6 $32,580 $43,331 $48,870 $65,160 $97,740 $130,320
For each additional person, add $4,160 $5,533 $6,240 $8,320 $12,480 $16,640
2) Find out how much the Affordable Care Act expects you to contribute to the cost of your insurance by consulting Table 2. The expected contribution is adjusted slightly each year – these percentages are for 2017. If you decide not to buy insurance, you won’t have to pay a premium, but you will have to pay a penalty that will be at least$695 per uninsured adult in 2016 (this applied in 2016, and will be adjusted for inflation in 2017), or 2.5 percent of taxable household income above the filing threshold, whichever is higher. And the penalty does not purchase anything—you wouldn’t have coverage if you needed medical care.

If you earn Your expected contribution is
Up to 133% of FPL 2.04% of your income
133%-150% of FPL 3.06%-4.08% of your income
150%-200% of FPL 4.08%-6.43% of your income
200%-250% of FPL 6.43%-8.21% of your income
250%-300% of FPL 8.21%-9.69% of your income
300%-400% of FPL 9.69% of your income
The subsidy will make up the difference between the amount an individual is expected to contribute (based on income) and the actual cost of the area’s second-lowest-cost silver plan.

3) Determine out how much a benchmark Silver plan costs in the area where you live. You can scroll through the available quotes in your state’s exchange and see what the second-lowest-cost silver plan’s premium would be for you and your family, or you can call the exchange. It’s important to note that the benchmark plan changes from one year to another; carrier A might have the second-lowest-cost Silver plan one year, but due to premium fluctuations, carrier B might take over that spot the following year.

4) See Table 2. Subtract the amount that you are expected to contribute (based on your income) from the cost of your benchmark silver plan. For instance, let’s say your silver plan costs $3000 a year, and you are expected to contribute $1000. You will receive a subsidy of $2,000

Sample calculations

In Los Angeles, California in 2016, the benchmark Silver plan is expected to cost a 40 year-old $251 a month, or $3,012 annually.

If Rick earns $23,760 (or 200 percent of FPL) he would be expected to kick in 6.43 percent of his income, or $1,528 toward his insurance. (0.0643 x $23,760 = $1,528)

To calculate his subsidy, he just needs to subtract $1,528 (the amount he kicks in) from $3,012 (the cost of the plan). His subsidy will be $1,484.

[Note that you can also calculate your expected contribution percentage if your income is somewhere in the middle of one of the ranges shown in Table 2. Here’s how it works].

If Rick’s 40-year-old cousin Alice, lives in Burlington, Vermont – where health care is more expensive – she can look forward to a larger tax credit. In Burlington, the benchmark plan’s pre-subsidy premium for a 40-year-old in 2017 is expected to be $482 a month, or $5,784 a year.

If Alice also earned $23,760 (200 percent of the FPL) the government would expect her to spend 6.43 percent of her income on coverage, just like her cousin in California (remember, the expected contribution is tied to income, not the underlying cost of the plan). So she, too, would contribute $1,528. But because the benchmark plan in Burlington costs $5,784, her subsidy would be $4,256. ($5,784 – $1,528 = $4,256).

If Rick and Alice were younger, the silver plan would be less expensive and their subsidies would be smaller. If they were older, the Silver plan would be more expensive, and their subsidies would be higher.

The idea behind the subsidies is to level the playing field and bring average premiums to a middle ground for everyone who has the same general level of income. So at the same income level, an older person will receive a higher subsidy than a younger person, but they’ll both ultimately pay the same price for the benchmark plan.
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Huh?
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motogrady wrote:


Huh?
Take your Adderall and read it again dammit.Laughing
10/14/2016 7:21pm
Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid paying it. One of them was that there weren't any affordable options available.

The Shop

10/14/2016 7:48pm
Damn. I feel bad for some of you. I was pissed when Mine went up to $300 for medical and dental.
10/14/2016 8:40pm Edited Date/Time 10/14/2016 8:43pm
Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid...
Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid paying it. One of them was that there weren't any affordable options available.
No. you pay it. It's simple. Were you insured for 12 months out of last year ?check yes no penalty. Check no. Boom. Penalized.
you could lie. But the IRS will catch up with you later.....and charge you interest. Bahahahaha. But pay your taxes early and they don't pay you interest on your refund. Bahahshaha.

"For 2015, the penalty for no health insurance is $325 per person or 2% of your annual household income – whichever is higher. For 2016, the fee is $695 or 2.5% of your income — whichever is higher.Dec 11, 2015"

The penalty DOUBLED. in one year. Sick
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Zero dollars. Work Union.
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Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid...
Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid paying it. One of them was that there weren't any affordable options available.

From what I understand, the penalty for 2017, 675.00, or 2.5 % of your income,
Don't know if thats gross or net income, coukdnt find that.

No, never paid the fine.

10/16/2016 5:15am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2016 5:22am
avidchimp wrote:
Zero dollars. Work Union.
your days are numbered too lol. Politicians are going after the Cadillac plans through Cadillac taxes.......don't worry, they'll get you to pay sooner or later...

Used to be you could buy a damn insurance policy for less than 675 a year. Now if you don't buy one you're paying 675 anyway. $675 is at least 3 primary care visits out-of-pocket. So now You're getting nothing but a tax on life that takes money away from the uninsured that at least would still go to a primary care provider for a few check ups a year....
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10/16/2016 8:33am
agn5009 wrote:
I'm at $68 per month for the family. $3,000 deductible but provided a $3,000 health savings account so I don't pay a penny toward the deductible...
I'm at $68 per month for the family. $3,000 deductible but provided a $3,000 health savings account so I don't pay a penny toward the deductible. I'm pretty fortunate as most pay $300+ for shitty single coverage. We agreed to pay $300 toward the deductible starting in 2019, I can handle that.
Titan1 wrote:
Is that through your employer (where they pay a portion)? Or through the exchange with subsidies to cover your premium?
We get a visa card with $3000 on it from the employer. This is to be used to pay the deductible. So basically I use it for co pays, prescription meds, etc. Once the $3000 is gone I pay nothing for everything that is covered under the plan. (in network of course)
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avidchimp wrote:
Zero dollars. Work Union.
your days are numbered too lol. Politicians are going after the Cadillac plans through Cadillac taxes.......don't worry, they'll get you to pay sooner or later... Used...
your days are numbered too lol. Politicians are going after the Cadillac plans through Cadillac taxes.......don't worry, they'll get you to pay sooner or later...

Used to be you could buy a damn insurance policy for less than 675 a year. Now if you don't buy one you're paying 675 anyway. $675 is at least 3 primary care visits out-of-pocket. So now You're getting nothing but a tax on life that takes money away from the uninsured that at least would still go to a primary care provider for a few check ups a year....
Yup, unfortunately. The nice plan I've had the last 4+ years is gone for 2017 because if a corp like Caterpillar were to offer it, they'd be fined heavily.
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Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid...
Have any of you actually paid the fine for not having the insurance? I read that you can use a lot of different excuses to avoid paying it. One of them was that there weren't any affordable options available.
Yes and it hurt.
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10/17/2016 4:45pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2016 4:51pm
I have 35 employees on our group insurance plan. I pay 1/2 of the premium for the employee, the employer contribution portion has gone up 100% in less than 5 years so basically what I am paying now would have covered everything for the employee 5 years ago.

Premiums have gone up 20+% every single year since Obamacare started, deductibles have doubled, co-pays have doubled, network coverage is reduced.

What part of this scenario is good? Been nothing but a shit show, Freeking idiots who pitched this plan like it was free- who the hell was dumb enough to believe that you could insure millions of poor and unhealthy people and it would all be free? Obama screwed everyone who pays for insurance. Employees and employers both get screwed.

Health insurance has for the most part just become a catastrophic injury policy because for anything minor you are paying the bill. Insurance doesn't do shit unless you end up in the hospital for something serious. And even then with the 80/20 split (going to 70/30) you are going to be bankrupt.
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10/17/2016 6:22pm
It was all a scam and everyone bought it.

People on welfare have always had free care(to them) through Medicaid or Medicare or whatever its called in your area.
They see zero bills and have no idea what all the shit they go to the doctor for costs.
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10/17/2016 6:43pm
I don't make enough to have to pay anything. They tell me to apply for medicaid. Fuck that bullshit. I'm not going to some cattledrive clinic to check my blood pressure. I go to the doctor I want. Just pay em.
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10/17/2016 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2016 11:39pm
Oh Skidaddle: "and everyone bought it" Scam, yes. But this disaster was foretold many times over long before it passed. Absolutely no surprises anywhere in Obamacare, just all the lies coming home to roost. The warnings could not have been more clear.

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10/17/2016 7:49pm
Oh Skidaddle: "and everyone bought it" Scam, yes. But this disaster was foretold many times over long before it passed. Absolutely no surprises anywhere in Obamacare...
Oh Skidaddle: "and everyone bought it" Scam, yes. But this disaster was foretold many times over long before it passed. Absolutely no surprises anywhere in Obamacare, just all the lies coming home to roost. The warnings could not have been more clear.


No, everyone didn't just buy it.
Another lie out there.
Read up on how it got passed.
Not only did it just squeak by, the one vote that tipped the scale was kinda had in a trade.

And if I'm not mistaken, if you make 250,000.00 a year or more, you are exempt. You don't have to have any insurance.

Ain't that a kick in the ass for the average guy.
10/18/2016 7:56am
Obama care was huge money grab. It didn't really solve anything. In fact most of us here pay soooo much more, had they just created a class of what was typically uninsurable and funded them things would be a lot better now.
10/18/2016 9:07am
I get insurance through my employer and yes, it's gone up and coverage down with the high deductible plans.
But I want to add in a good side - my mother in law was diagnosed with cancer. She didn't have insurance her entire life. I told her now that she has cancer, she needs to get covered. "I can't get insurance in my 60's with cancer". yes, you can now. She did and it covered her for the final 3 years of her life.

Is that the reason for the high premiums we all are facing now? I'm not exactly sure.
10/18/2016 9:12am
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I don't make enough to have to pay anything. They tell me to apply for medicaid. Fuck that bullshit. I'm not going to some cattledrive clinic...
I don't make enough to have to pay anything. They tell me to apply for medicaid. Fuck that bullshit. I'm not going to some cattledrive clinic to check my blood pressure. I go to the doctor I want. Just pay em.
Blink Huh
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Oh Skidaddle: "and everyone bought it" Scam, yes. But this disaster was foretold many times over long before it passed. Absolutely no surprises anywhere in Obamacare...
Oh Skidaddle: "and everyone bought it" Scam, yes. But this disaster was foretold many times over long before it passed. Absolutely no surprises anywhere in Obamacare, just all the lies coming home to roost. The warnings could not have been more clear.

motogrady wrote:
No, everyone didn't just buy it. Another lie out there. Read up on how it got passed. Not only did it just squeak by, the one...

No, everyone didn't just buy it.
Another lie out there.
Read up on how it got passed.
Not only did it just squeak by, the one vote that tipped the scale was kinda had in a trade.

And if I'm not mistaken, if you make 250,000.00 a year or more, you are exempt. You don't have to have any insurance.

Ain't that a kick in the ass for the average guy.
The public bought it. And so do you guys.

Still today people do not understand health insurance is Not about health. Its about profits.

An insurance companies #1 goal is to find a reason to deny payment.
And if your claim gets denied you are fucked. Have you ever read your policy?

Fuck your lying agent! Ask an adjuster. The one who determines what gets paid.
Sure your agent will say, skiing moto etc etc is all good.

Most exclude injuries from "extreme sports" and non standard activities.
So go ahead and walk into a hospital in your gear! Good luck!

Socialized medicine like Canada doesnt have this problem.
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10/18/2016 9:35am
Out of curiosity – how many people in this thread shitting on universal healthcare have actually lived in a country in which they could experience it?
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10/18/2016 9:48am
Out of curiosity – how many people in this thread shitting on universal healthcare have actually lived in a country in which they could experience it?
I was gonna say something, but you already asked it.
My greatest fear living in America is healthcare costs, it could be what makes it unaffordable for us to live in this country. I don't have too much information on what my union benefits will be once I am working down here, as that is a package I need to request, but if it is not sufficient I am scared to know how much I will be paying out of pocket for healthcare each month.

I will truly never understand the American people's fear of universal healthcare. Those who oppose it don't seem to mind spending $$$ on corporate subsidies (isn't the idea of capitalism to do good business and be rewarded, not be bailed out by the very people supporting your business??)...

Just Wednesday morning ponderings of a Canadian expat living in a state that is too progressive for her taste.
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Skidaddle wrote:
The public bought it. And so do you guys. Still today people do not understand health insurance is Not about health. Its about profits. An insurance...
The public bought it. And so do you guys.

Still today people do not understand health insurance is Not about health. Its about profits.

An insurance companies #1 goal is to find a reason to deny payment.
And if your claim gets denied you are fucked. Have you ever read your policy?

Fuck your lying agent! Ask an adjuster. The one who determines what gets paid.
Sure your agent will say, skiing moto etc etc is all good.

Most exclude injuries from "extreme sports" and non standard activities.
So go ahead and walk into a hospital in your gear! Good luck!

Socialized medicine like Canada doesnt have this problem.
The only problems we have in Canada are quality of care and wait times.

I have seen the best doctors in my little life here in America, using my travel insurance. I prefer to go to the doctor here because I don't have to wait and they speak English which is a nice change from back home. There is private doctors offices in Canada aswell that you can pay to visit, which I assume give better quality of care. I just know that in my experience the doctors at the walk-in clinics are brutish, though I have had some luck finding quality physicians in Canada which I am grateful for.

We have a major shortage of care physicians in Canada; finding a family doctor in any metropolis is nearly impossible and there are some heinous wait times for major surgeries (they are working on shortening these as we speak). A great option is the option to pay out of pocket to come to America to get surgeries done in a timely manner if you cannot receive care within the time parameters set by the government. You then are repayed your costs for getting care out of country.
10/18/2016 10:48am Edited Date/Time 10/18/2016 10:50am
So I want to give some insight of why the hospital costs are going up and in-turn the insurance premiums are increasing. I am in dental school currently and thankfully the dental field hasn't been hit that bad with all the government insurance but they are educating us on it in case it does fully cross over to the dental field. The government insurance with Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid are the real issues. They don't want to reimburse the health field which is making the health field raise their prices to the insurance companies and the non-insured person to compensate this. Here in Indiana, the state-shared cost of Medicaid is actually paid for by the tobacco taxes and hospital fees. Now using the tobacco taxes makes sense but charging health care facilities fees to cover this is one of the major reasons. Then the reimbursements are ridiculous. Indiana is one of the higher reimbursement fees of 48% but in Illinois it is 14% which doesn't even cover the materials used or overhead for the medical provider. They are actually losing money to work on patients with government insurance.

Here is a real-world number example. The average overhead for a dentist is about 70% which is including materials. If you take the average cost of a restoration being around $200, the dentist makes $60 and it costs them $140. Medicaid will only reimburse the dentist $80 for that same restoration. If it is a child, they are then covered by a different plan that is called Anthem which only reimburses the dentist $25.

I hope this does help some people understand the insurance premiums and health care costs increasing so much. Trust me, I do not endorse or am for government insurance or how insurance companies act in general. I am thankful that as a dentist, we do not need to accept patients under these programs but doctors are required to treat these patients to an extent. Any smart business is not going to be okay always having a loss so they do need to make it up in another area and that means people who can afford it, get to pay more, lucky them!
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10/18/2016 12:19pm Edited Date/Time 10/18/2016 12:20pm
Titan1 wrote:
Anyone else get their 2017 Health Insurance premium notifications yet? I got my in the mail yesterday...my premium is going from $810/month, to $1178/month. What is...
Anyone else get their 2017 Health Insurance premium notifications yet?

I got my in the mail yesterday...my premium is going from $810/month, to $1178/month. What is that? A 40% increase? Holy Smokes! Since Obamacare was enacted, though 2017, my insurance premiums have more than doubled. Affordable care act?

My agent says that the insurance companies are hemorrhaging money...due to, as anyone with a brain expected, no pre-existing condition exclusions, and no lifetime caps...and because the young healthy people who were expected to sign up due to the mandate aren't signing up...so they have no choice but to raise premiums on the people that do pay.

My rate is set to go down.
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10/18/2016 1:33pm
I look at the bottom line . What you pay and what results you get for your money . It's seems many other countries get a much better bang for their buck .


http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/oct/us-h…


Data from the OECD show that the U.S. spent 17.1 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care in 2013. This was almost 50 percent more than the next-highest spender (France, 11.6% of GDP) and almost double what was spent in the U.K. (8.8%). U.S. spending per person was equivalent to $9,086 (not adjusted for inflation).

The U.S. had fewer practicing physicians in 2013 than in the median OECD country (2.6 versus 3.2 physicians per 1,000 population). With only four per year, Americans also had fewer physician visits than the OECD median (6.5 visits). In contrast, the average Canadian had 7.7 physician visits and the average Japanese resident had 12.9 visits in 2012.

Data published by the International Federation of Health Plans suggest that hospital and physician prices for procedures were highest in the U.S. in 2013.10 The average price of bypass surgery was $75,345 in the U.S. This is more than $30,000 higher than in the second-highest country, Australia, where the procedure costs $42,130. According to the same data source, MRI and CT scans were also most expensive in the U.S. While these pricing data are subject to significant methodological limitations, they illustrate a pattern of significantly higher prices in many areas of U.S. health care.

Other studies have observed high U.S. prices for pharmaceuticals. A 2013 investigation by Kanavos and colleagues created a cross-national price index for a basket of widely used in-patent pharmaceuticals. In 2010, all countries studied had lower prices than the U.S. In Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, prices were about 50 percent lower.11
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10/18/2016 2:30pm
For anyone wanting to read where Obamacare has worked successfully (because the state followed the plan laid out): http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-california-model-20161007…
LA Times article glad handing the success of Obamacare. Even a dummy like me who has a reading comprehension problem as pointed out by JW381 in the post above can see past the load of crap that this article is filled with.

It seems to be saying that its a success based on how many people signed up. It doesn't really say anything about how many millions of people lost there good insurance plans they paid for and were happy with for many decades ( like myself) because the purpose was to force these people who actually pay for there insurance and medical bills to go on the exchange to pick up the cost for everyone else. And do you think it counts people who signed up and then cancelled after realizing it was not affordable. For everyone of these BS articles there is 5 with much more truthfull info.

Even as much as this article tries to paint a pretty picture it still shows the truth near the end of it where it says:

In 2017 CA rates are increasing 13.2%. And even more dramatically with the biggest insurers Blue Sheild and Anthem. And that preventing large rate hikes in the future will require adjustments to the marketplace.

Preventing large rate hikes in the future ? What about the large rate hikes happening now ?

And, can you guess what adjustments they are talking about that will be needed to prevent the future hikes ?

How long will Businesses and people who make over the subsidy amount be able to pay for everyone else ? Everything that is going wrong with this was predicted almost perfectly a decade ago.

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