Killed a day in Salinas last Saturday, so I hit the air show

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Snagged a few pics, walked about 20 miles, got sunburnt to hell, and feet ached for 3 days afterward. Worth every minute of it.

B-25 Not one of these planes that I wasn't mesmerized by. Amazing to see them fly, two of them at the show.


Avenger, the plane George Bush Sr. flew, apparently, he didn't duck out of service.




C-53 troop transport, did the drop on 6/6/44, and a few other significant ops.


The Holy Grail, for ol' scooter. Such an amazing looking aircraft, so sexy, have to remember it only came about, to defeat evil. 5 of them at the show, all flying at once.


C-17, went up inside this one, talked to the pilot for a few. Gnarly stuff, can run my Pete and 53' trailer into that thing, without breaking a sweat. 90 ton payload, take off fully loaded in 3500 feet, on dirt or ice. Apparently, the C-5 was there last year, and dwarfs this plane.

USAF Thunderbirds did show to end the day, phenomonal. Couple of them did a low level pass on afterburners, and every car that had their alarm activated in the parking lot, you knew about it. Lol No pics, they flew in, blew the place up, and left. Awesome.
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Thanks for putting that up. Airshows are awesome.
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Awesome!
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10/1/2016 9:02am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2016 9:06am
Very cool! Love the old birds. And yes, the C5 dwarfs the 17. Will actually swallow it.



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I have been loading C-5s and C-17s for over 20 years now. Most of our cargo is put onto pallets that are 88" x 108" and the C-5 can hold 36 versus the C-17s 18. They both average about the same weight capability though and the C-17 is newer, so it is more reliable. Also, the C-17 can land and takeoff on austere runways and requires a shorter distance for takeoff than the C-5. Either way, they are both amazing aircraft.
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Very cool! Love the old birds. And yes, the C5 dwarfs the 17. Will actually swallow it. [img]https://i.imgur.com/hTX9Ho3.jpg[/img]
Very cool! Love the old birds. And yes, the C5 dwarfs the 17. Will actually swallow it.



I love that picture, see it pretty often.
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10/1/2016 9:35am
Too bad Bush Jr. wasn't as valiant as his dad.
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Nevrnfpwr wrote:
I have been loading C-5s and C-17s for over 20 years now. Most of our cargo is put onto pallets that are 88" x 108" and...
I have been loading C-5s and C-17s for over 20 years now. Most of our cargo is put onto pallets that are 88" x 108" and the C-5 can hold 36 versus the C-17s 18. They both average about the same weight capability though and the C-17 is newer, so it is more reliable. Also, the C-17 can land and takeoff on austere runways and requires a shorter distance for takeoff than the C-5. Either way, they are both amazing aircraft.
Had a dream/nightmare once that I was suddenly put in charge of loading one of those without knowing jack. I remember thinking "I'm pretty sure I can't just put shit just anywhere!".
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10/1/2016 2:51pm Edited Date/Time 10/1/2016 2:59pm
Just a note: Geo. Bush Jr. flew the F-102 Delta Dagger, and as with many of the fast interceptors of the day, tried to kill every pilot that got into one. Jet jockeys of that era were no joke, you had to be careful every time you climbed in. Kudo's to everyone that flew them.
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Thanks for posting Scooter
the C5 was my ride to Saudi for the gulf war. The load team stuffed two Patriot Missile Launchers and our Radar Set into that behemoth.
We did have to stop in Spain so that the Air Force could fix the plane. To this day it is one of my fondest memories.
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JW381 wrote:
Too bad Bush Jr. wasn't as valiant as his dad.
My sister spent 29 years in the service, sent me a list of Hollywood actors, who served in WW2. It was a long one, REAL long. Notables in my head: Fred Gwynn from My Cousin Vinnie, Alan Hale-Gilligan's Island, Ernest Borgnine, and of course, Jimmy Stewart piloted a B-17 over Germany. About anyone of age in that era, served. Not ol' Dubya though, worked his way out. Quite the contrast.

Nevrnfpwr, are you what's known as a Quartermaster? Wrong name or service branch? I talked to the pilot about that, I assumed the wall markings were for payload and balance in the aircraft. Can't remember if that's the title he used. Props to both you and sleeve1 for serving. Wish I'd been that smart in my youth. Pilot was telling me they'd done the Reno show, and after they left, they were running up the Truckee canyon, throttles opened up pretty good. I guess being fly by wire, these C-17's are pretty responsive. Sounded like a lot of fun to me. More so than chaining up over the Donner. Lol
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Too bad Bush Jr. wasn't as valiant as his dad.
My sister spent 29 years in the service, sent me a list of Hollywood actors, who served in WW2. It was a long one, REAL long...
My sister spent 29 years in the service, sent me a list of Hollywood actors, who served in WW2. It was a long one, REAL long. Notables in my head: Fred Gwynn from My Cousin Vinnie, Alan Hale-Gilligan's Island, Ernest Borgnine, and of course, Jimmy Stewart piloted a B-17 over Germany. About anyone of age in that era, served. Not ol' Dubya though, worked his way out. Quite the contrast.

Nevrnfpwr, are you what's known as a Quartermaster? Wrong name or service branch? I talked to the pilot about that, I assumed the wall markings were for payload and balance in the aircraft. Can't remember if that's the title he used. Props to both you and sleeve1 for serving. Wish I'd been that smart in my youth. Pilot was telling me they'd done the Reno show, and after they left, they were running up the Truckee canyon, throttles opened up pretty good. I guess being fly by wire, these C-17's are pretty responsive. Sounded like a lot of fun to me. More so than chaining up over the Donner. Lol
Scooter, the pilot was referring to the position of Load Master and they supervise the on and off load of cargo, fly with the aircraft and have some inflight duties. My career field was called Air Transportation, we did all of the cargo prep (to include hazardous materials), loading and everything in between. I retired from active duty 5 years ago and am currently a contractor in Afghanistan doing the weight and balance for those aircraft. You are right, the numbers you saw are called fuselage stations and are used to computing the balance. When I first started doing it, it was all manual computation, but we now have computer programs that dumb it down quite a bit.
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Thanks for the info, I thought I had the name wrong. I was trying to absorb a lot of info from that lad, it didn't all stick. Stay safe over there.
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JW381 wrote:
Too bad Bush Jr. wasn't as valiant as his dad.
My sister spent 29 years in the service, sent me a list of Hollywood actors, who served in WW2. It was a long one, REAL long...
My sister spent 29 years in the service, sent me a list of Hollywood actors, who served in WW2. It was a long one, REAL long. Notables in my head: Fred Gwynn from My Cousin Vinnie, Alan Hale-Gilligan's Island, Ernest Borgnine, and of course, Jimmy Stewart piloted a B-17 over Germany. About anyone of age in that era, served. Not ol' Dubya though, worked his way out. Quite the contrast.

Nevrnfpwr, are you what's known as a Quartermaster? Wrong name or service branch? I talked to the pilot about that, I assumed the wall markings were for payload and balance in the aircraft. Can't remember if that's the title he used. Props to both you and sleeve1 for serving. Wish I'd been that smart in my youth. Pilot was telling me they'd done the Reno show, and after they left, they were running up the Truckee canyon, throttles opened up pretty good. I guess being fly by wire, these C-17's are pretty responsive. Sounded like a lot of fun to me. More so than chaining up over the Donner. Lol
I was kinda teasing you, since you made mention of Bush Sr. flying in WWII as opposed to other presidents. As my avatar might allude, I have a huge boner for military aviation, this thread delivers the spank bank material.

I wrote one of my senior essays on the F-6F, and my senior thesis paper on the transition of aerial combat into the "modern era". My argument, which was proposed by a historical author that I was arguing in defense of, stated that the modern era of aerial combat actually came about in Vietnam with the advent of guided weaponry, and that the jet age, while revolutionary, merely utilized the same tactics of WWII only at higher speeds and altitudes (which in turn made combat more difficult because the window for a successful kill essentially became smaller in distance and time).

Anyway, killer pics man, I'm hoping to go to Vegas for an air show in November.
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10/2/2016 6:20pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2016 6:21pm
You are quite welcome, wish I had more, but it was a fairly small air show. Believe that Reno show is quite a bit bigger, not sure about the Vegas one. Think Kenosha Wi. is the Granddaddy of them all. I would say that author was correct, because while the Messerschmidt ME262 was capable of speeds over 500 miles an hour, it still employed cannons and machine guns. Damn good thing the Germans couldn't produce that plane sooner and in larger numbers, the air war might have gone quite differently.


A Lancaster, in a museum in the village I now live, population 1000. My Great Uncle Reg flew one of these, and was killed in 43, coming home from a raid. For years, I thought he was the navigator, and it was only in 12, at my mother's funeral, I found out he flew one. My other Great Uncle Con attended a survivors convention, and found out the real circumstances of his death. For years, it was thought that it was so foggy, he had the crew bail out over the airfield area, hoping the fog would lift, and the plane eventually ran out of gas. Not the case. As it turns out, they were on approach, in the fog, the tower gave bad info over the radio, and he flew it straight into the ground. Only the tail gunner survived, 6 of 7 gone. Reg was 20. Incredibly humbling to stand under that plane, and think about it all.
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10/2/2016 6:39pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2016 6:42pm
You are quite welcome, wish I had more, but it was a fairly small air show. Believe that Reno show is quite a bit bigger, not...
You are quite welcome, wish I had more, but it was a fairly small air show. Believe that Reno show is quite a bit bigger, not sure about the Vegas one. Think Kenosha Wi. is the Granddaddy of them all. I would say that author was correct, because while the Messerschmidt ME262 was capable of speeds over 500 miles an hour, it still employed cannons and machine guns. Damn good thing the Germans couldn't produce that plane sooner and in larger numbers, the air war might have gone quite differently.


A Lancaster, in a museum in the village I now live, population 1000. My Great Uncle Reg flew one of these, and was killed in 43, coming home from a raid. For years, I thought he was the navigator, and it was only in 12, at my mother's funeral, I found out he flew one. My other Great Uncle Con attended a survivors convention, and found out the real circumstances of his death. For years, it was thought that it was so foggy, he had the crew bail out over the airfield area, hoping the fog would lift, and the plane eventually ran out of gas. Not the case. As it turns out, they were on approach, in the fog, the tower gave bad info over the radio, and he flew it straight into the ground. Only the tail gunner survived, 6 of 7 gone. Reg was 20. Incredibly humbling to stand under that plane, and think about it all.
My buddy, who is a pilot, flew cross-country with his dad and stopped in at Oshkosh this summer. So jealous. Yes, and in addition to the 262, the infamous F-86 vs MiG-15 battles over the Yalu were also still utilizing cannons and machine guns. Same idea.

Bronwyn's great uncles flew Mosquitos for the RAF out of Canadia. Sadly I won't have the opportunity to meet any of them, but I did meet another uncle of hers who was in the Canadian Navy. He is a helluva dude.

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