Where does Webbs performance at USGP rank all time?

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struth wrote:
All I know is fevbre beat cooper straight up last year on more then one occasion....

That was in Webb's first races on a 450 though. He did well to be as competitive as he was. Especially at Ernee.
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struth wrote:
All I know is fevbre beat cooper straight up last year on more then one occasion....

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That was in Webb's first races on a 450 though. He did well to be as competitive as he was. Especially at Ernee.
Think coop,JH ,fevbre gaser , all close in speed on hard pack slick surface. All great riders...
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9/7/2016 3:07am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2016 3:09am
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It was very impressive! To the point of humbling Herlings, weather he was tired, suffering from jetlag, not 100% fit, and all the other variables, not...
It was very impressive! To the point of humbling Herlings, weather he was tired, suffering from jetlag, not 100% fit, and all the other variables, not many people have done that to Herlings. Webb is on a very exclusive list.
There's been so much talk and rubbing salt in the wounds on here lately, people seem to forget about Forkner and his ride. For me, I'd have to say he was most impressive.
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+1. I am not a big fan of both but TBH Herlings didnt get challenged like that since Roczen and Musquin. So now I rank Webb's...

+1. I am not a big fan of both but TBH Herlings didnt get challenged like that since Roczen and Musquin. So now I rank Webb's performance next to Roczen and Musquin, which I would not have done before this race. I just hope now that his 450 will be as competitive to go for some podiums in his rookie season.
How could you have possibly underestimated Webb until now?

His performances at the USGP and MXdN last year proved the calibre of rider he was, not to mention the way he blitzes the pack racing in the 250 class outdoors. I'd say he's a better rider than Musquin has ever been, and I dont mean that in a mean spirited way, I think Musquin's a great rider!
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tempura wrote:
It was very impressive! To the point of humbling Herlings, weather he was tired, suffering from jetlag, not 100% fit, and all the other variables, not...
It was very impressive! To the point of humbling Herlings, weather he was tired, suffering from jetlag, not 100% fit, and all the other variables, not many people have done that to Herlings. Webb is on a very exclusive list.
There's been so much talk and rubbing salt in the wounds on here lately, people seem to forget about Forkner and his ride. For me, I'd have to say he was most impressive.
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+1. I am not a big fan of both but TBH Herlings didnt get challenged like that since Roczen and Musquin. So now I rank Webb's...

+1. I am not a big fan of both but TBH Herlings didnt get challenged like that since Roczen and Musquin. So now I rank Webb's performance next to Roczen and Musquin, which I would not have done before this race. I just hope now that his 450 will be as competitive to go for some podiums in his rookie season.
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How could you have possibly underestimated Webb until now? His performances at the USGP and MXdN last year proved the calibre of rider he was, not...
How could you have possibly underestimated Webb until now?

His performances at the USGP and MXdN last year proved the calibre of rider he was, not to mention the way he blitzes the pack racing in the 250 class outdoors. I'd say he's a better rider than Musquin has ever been, and I dont mean that in a mean spirited way, I think Musquin's a great rider!

I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of fanboysism and hype around him, which I think can be bad for him once the bubble burst (similar to Herlings last week end), whereas this new 250 YZF is a rocket and is dominating the class. It is like PC 5 years ago, and not every PC riders came into the 450 class to dominate afterwards. The last one was RV, wrapping up many SX and Nationals, example 19 nationals, whilst Webb won 7, 7 like Dungey who has a RMZ vs. PCs. That said, I think his move with Reed is great for him and I think, if the 450 YZF finally gets starts like Barciain the Nationals last year, then it could be interesting and I could see him on the podium sometimes (whereas I was more thinking about top 5s).

Then about the comparison with Musquin, yes there is an age difference so no doubt Webb may have a much brigher future and may do a "Roczen", but still Musquin has won 8 Nationals in 250 and was pretty even with Webb during the 2 years they competed each other. It is not because Webb won sometimes that Musquin didnt finished ahead in the championship twice. And now Musquin is in 450 with KTM, Baker, Dungey, Anderson, etc, so I think it is quite pretty agressive to say "Webb is a better rider than Musquin has ever been", I am sure we will have more answers about it next SX seasons Smile

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9/7/2016 3:33am
Webb is the real deal,some outstanding 250 riders move up and run in the pack,some push to the front and he's one of them.

The new and next generation 450 class is going to be awesome,Webb,Gaijser,Febvre,Herlings,Tomac,Roczen and the rest who are improving
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9/7/2016 3:45am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2016 3:45am
Question wrote:
I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of...

I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of fanboysism and hype around him, which I think can be bad for him once the bubble burst (similar to Herlings last week end), whereas this new 250 YZF is a rocket and is dominating the class. It is like PC 5 years ago, and not every PC riders came into the 450 class to dominate afterwards. The last one was RV, wrapping up many SX and Nationals, example 19 nationals, whilst Webb won 7, 7 like Dungey who has a RMZ vs. PCs. That said, I think his move with Reed is great for him and I think, if the 450 YZF finally gets starts like Barciain the Nationals last year, then it could be interesting and I could see him on the podium sometimes (whereas I was more thinking about top 5s).

Then about the comparison with Musquin, yes there is an age difference so no doubt Webb may have a much brigher future and may do a "Roczen", but still Musquin has won 8 Nationals in 250 and was pretty even with Webb during the 2 years they competed each other. It is not because Webb won sometimes that Musquin didnt finished ahead in the championship twice. And now Musquin is in 450 with KTM, Baker, Dungey, Anderson, etc, so I think it is quite pretty agressive to say "Webb is a better rider than Musquin has ever been", I am sure we will have more answers about it next SX seasons Smile
That's fair enough and I can understand your analysis. I just think that if you listed Herlings, Roczen, Webb and Musquin in order of speed/talent Musquin would probably be fourth.

Technically speaking Musquin is beautiful to watch, but he doesn't seem to have that killer instinct which sometimes makes the difference.
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Not very high. I was much more impressed with his performance on the 450 in Glen Helen and Ernée.
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Question wrote:
I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of...

I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of fanboysism and hype around him, which I think can be bad for him once the bubble burst (similar to Herlings last week end), whereas this new 250 YZF is a rocket and is dominating the class. It is like PC 5 years ago, and not every PC riders came into the 450 class to dominate afterwards. The last one was RV, wrapping up many SX and Nationals, example 19 nationals, whilst Webb won 7, 7 like Dungey who has a RMZ vs. PCs. That said, I think his move with Reed is great for him and I think, if the 450 YZF finally gets starts like Barciain the Nationals last year, then it could be interesting and I could see him on the podium sometimes (whereas I was more thinking about top 5s).

Then about the comparison with Musquin, yes there is an age difference so no doubt Webb may have a much brigher future and may do a "Roczen", but still Musquin has won 8 Nationals in 250 and was pretty even with Webb during the 2 years they competed each other. It is not because Webb won sometimes that Musquin didnt finished ahead in the championship twice. And now Musquin is in 450 with KTM, Baker, Dungey, Anderson, etc, so I think it is quite pretty agressive to say "Webb is a better rider than Musquin has ever been", I am sure we will have more answers about it next SX seasons Smile
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That's fair enough and I can understand your analysis. I just think that if you listed Herlings, Roczen, Webb and Musquin in order of speed/talent Musquin...
That's fair enough and I can understand your analysis. I just think that if you listed Herlings, Roczen, Webb and Musquin in order of speed/talent Musquin would probably be fourth.

Technically speaking Musquin is beautiful to watch, but he doesn't seem to have that killer instinct which sometimes makes the difference.

I agree on your point too, I think with the same equipment Webb may be a little bit faster simply because of the killer instinct, or engagement, like Anderson. Initially when Musquin moved to the US, I would have never thought he would even get in the top 5 in 450, I was thinking CP could do it, just from the hate of losing/bad ass spirit & of course talent. El Hombre doesnt seem to be the most talented too, in comparison for instance with Seely who may be the most naturally talented of all right now (Anaheim 1 2016 where he was putting a clinic before fading a bit), but his drive, his will to make it happen it is always what makes the difference between a title threat and a podium contender. I repeat myself but I just hope the Yam will be on par with the equipment at HRC & KTM because it would be fun to see Webb in the battles upfront.
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Question wrote:
+1. I am not a big fan of both but TBH Herlings didnt get challenged like that since Roczen and Musquin. So now I rank Webb's...

+1. I am not a big fan of both but TBH Herlings didnt get challenged like that since Roczen and Musquin. So now I rank Webb's performance next to Roczen and Musquin, which I would not have done before this race. I just hope now that his 450 will be as competitive to go for some podiums in his rookie season.
jamma10 wrote:
How could you have possibly underestimated Webb until now? His performances at the USGP and MXdN last year proved the calibre of rider he was, not...
How could you have possibly underestimated Webb until now?

His performances at the USGP and MXdN last year proved the calibre of rider he was, not to mention the way he blitzes the pack racing in the 250 class outdoors. I'd say he's a better rider than Musquin has ever been, and I dont mean that in a mean spirited way, I think Musquin's a great rider!
Question wrote:
I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of...

I was analyzing his performances carefully because I was matching it with those of the Star Racing team as a whole. There is a lot of fanboysism and hype around him, which I think can be bad for him once the bubble burst (similar to Herlings last week end), whereas this new 250 YZF is a rocket and is dominating the class. It is like PC 5 years ago, and not every PC riders came into the 450 class to dominate afterwards. The last one was RV, wrapping up many SX and Nationals, example 19 nationals, whilst Webb won 7, 7 like Dungey who has a RMZ vs. PCs. That said, I think his move with Reed is great for him and I think, if the 450 YZF finally gets starts like Barciain the Nationals last year, then it could be interesting and I could see him on the podium sometimes (whereas I was more thinking about top 5s).

Then about the comparison with Musquin, yes there is an age difference so no doubt Webb may have a much brigher future and may do a "Roczen", but still Musquin has won 8 Nationals in 250 and was pretty even with Webb during the 2 years they competed each other. It is not because Webb won sometimes that Musquin didnt finished ahead in the championship twice. And now Musquin is in 450 with KTM, Baker, Dungey, Anderson, etc, so I think it is quite pretty agressive to say "Webb is a better rider than Musquin has ever been", I am sure we will have more answers about it next SX seasons Smile
I'm not sure Webb's bike is any more of a rocket than Jeffrey's KTM. It seems like Jeffrey gets better starts and often holeshots the MX2 races. Cooper got a shitty start in the second moto. Forkners PC Kawasaki on the other hand seems to have a lot of power, plus he has always been a great starter. In the AMA series Cooper often had to come from midpack so it's questionable if his bike is faster than the others
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In my opinion this ride by Webb was exceptional. I didn't expect this. I truly believed that Herlings would smoke Webb with ease and that Webb was going to fight for a top 3 with Seewer, Anstie and Paturel far behind JH. I was wrong and I had by speed indicator between them not dialed in.

This was one moto in one race and Herlings didn't come under the best circumstances but the thing is that Webb is way faster than I had imagined. I have been watching him week in and week out and I have seen Savatgy, JMart and AMart match him in speed from time to time, and JMart haven't been faster than GP guys in MXdN for example. I am not sure that Herlings would smoke him on most GP tracks and I am not sure that Webb couldn't win the MX2 title. Probably not in the first year but not because lack of speed. My only conclusion now is that they are on an even level which I didn't think.
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https://youtu.be/NXWJk0N8UbU
Greatest ride of all time imo
Can't wait for the nations, I think the Dutch will be in for a good result with their team this year.
9/7/2016 2:10pm
It was a great race but not even in top 50

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