Is MXDN becoming a thing of the past?

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8/12/2016 10:02am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 10:05am
Youthstream pay more in prize money at the MXdN than the IOC does for the Olympics! The athletes are paid by their federation, maybe the AMA...
Youthstream pay more in prize money at the MXdN than the IOC does for the Olympics!

The athletes are paid by their federation, maybe the AMA should pull their finger out?





FastGzus wrote:
I've already said

I DO NOT CARE WHO IT IS THAT PAYS THEM..

But someone surely should
Youthstream pays prize money for the MXdN! Next excuse?
3G or roughly 1/26th of a win bonus for the likes of Tomac for the winner. Please
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FastGzus wrote:
3G or roughly 1/26th of a win bonus for the likes of Tomac for the winner. Please
Honest question that I don't know the answer: How much is the payout for the European SX events that the US racers attend in the winter?
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FastGzus wrote:
3G or roughly 1/26th of a win bonus for the likes of Tomac for the winner. Please
Nighttrain wrote:
Honest question that I don't know the answer: How much is the payout for the European SX events that the US racers attend in the winter?
The rumor is James was paid 150k-200k to attend Bercy
8/12/2016 10:11am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:40am
FastGzus wrote:
I've already said

I DO NOT CARE WHO IT IS THAT PAYS THEM..

But someone surely should
Youthstream pays prize money for the MXdN! Next excuse?
FastGzus wrote:
3G or roughly 1/26th of a win bonus for the likes of Tomac for the winner. Please
1/26th? Which promoter pays Tomac that?

3G is better than zero G!

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8/12/2016 10:13am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 10:19am
Youthstream pays prize money for the MXdN! Next excuse?
FastGzus wrote:
3G or roughly 1/26th of a win bonus for the likes of Tomac for the winner. Please
1/26th? Which promoter pays Tomac that?

3G is better than zero G!

You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from the factories, the FIM, AMA or Guiseppe himself but someone should.

But to answer your question, the promoters of the offseason SX races sure seem to pay top talent pretty well to attend their races. Rumor is 50x more then a winner of the mxdn makes
8/12/2016 10:35am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:41am
FastGzus wrote:
3G or roughly 1/26th of a win bonus for the likes of Tomac for the winner. Please
1/26th? Which promoter pays Tomac that?

3G is better than zero G!

FastGzus wrote:
You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from...
You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from the factories, the FIM, AMA or Guiseppe himself but someone should.

But to answer your question, the promoters of the offseason SX races sure seem to pay top talent pretty well to attend their races. Rumor is 50x more then a winner of the mxdn makes
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing?

Off season SX races in Europe do pay well, they are also padded out with a lot of lesser known talent that enables them to get a few of the bigger names to the event! I'm guessing you've been reading Racer X, Tomac would never be compensated that much (you know the 50x more than the MXdN winner makes as you put it) to race Bercy, no way in hell. You'd never get that kinda start money for a MXdN with the depth of riders racing!
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8/12/2016 10:39am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 10:41am
1/26th? Which promoter pays Tomac that?

3G is better than zero G!

FastGzus wrote:
You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from...
You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from the factories, the FIM, AMA or Guiseppe himself but someone should.

But to answer your question, the promoters of the offseason SX races sure seem to pay top talent pretty well to attend their races. Rumor is 50x more then a winner of the mxdn makes
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing? Off...
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing?

Off season SX races in Europe do pay well, they are also padded out with a lot of lesser known talent that enables them to get a few of the bigger names to the event! I'm guessing you've been reading Racer X, Tomac would never be compensated that much (you know the 50x more than the MXdN winner makes as you put it) to race Bercy, no way in hell. You'd never get that kinda start money for a MXdN with the depth of riders racing!
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand.

Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc

I don't believe the MXDN is the Monster mxdn.

Point: Monster is compensating their sponsored athlete sufficiently to compete in those two races in which they're the headline sponsor, much like I'm sure Red Bull does with their athletes and the straight rhythm. If they would like to compensate them extra for the mxdn as well I'm all for that
8/12/2016 10:52am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 10:53am
FastGzus wrote:
You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from...
You're harping on the promoter point which I've clearly stated is not my point. I don't care who's paying them, whether it be bonus money from the factories, the FIM, AMA or Guiseppe himself but someone should.

But to answer your question, the promoters of the offseason SX races sure seem to pay top talent pretty well to attend their races. Rumor is 50x more then a winner of the mxdn makes
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing? Off...
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing?

Off season SX races in Europe do pay well, they are also padded out with a lot of lesser known talent that enables them to get a few of the bigger names to the event! I'm guessing you've been reading Racer X, Tomac would never be compensated that much (you know the 50x more than the MXdN winner makes as you put it) to race Bercy, no way in hell. You'd never get that kinda start money for a MXdN with the depth of riders racing!
FastGzus wrote:
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand. Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc I don't believe...
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand.

Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc

I don't believe the MXDN is the Monster mxdn.

Point: Monster is compensating their sponsored athlete sufficiently to compete in those two races in which they're the headline sponsor, much like I'm sure Red Bull does with their athletes and the straight rhythm. If they would like to compensate them extra for the mxdn as well I'm all for that
They are the headline sponsor of all three events...
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8/12/2016 10:53am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:14am
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing? Off...
You're harping on about money, yet the MXdN pays more money (however small) and yet Tomac is racing the two GP's and for what? Nothing?

Off season SX races in Europe do pay well, they are also padded out with a lot of lesser known talent that enables them to get a few of the bigger names to the event! I'm guessing you've been reading Racer X, Tomac would never be compensated that much (you know the 50x more than the MXdN winner makes as you put it) to race Bercy, no way in hell. You'd never get that kinda start money for a MXdN with the depth of riders racing!
FastGzus wrote:
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand. Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc I don't believe...
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand.

Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc

I don't believe the MXDN is the Monster mxdn.

Point: Monster is compensating their sponsored athlete sufficiently to compete in those two races in which they're the headline sponsor, much like I'm sure Red Bull does with their athletes and the straight rhythm. If they would like to compensate them extra for the mxdn as well I'm all for that
They are the headline sponsor of all three events...
Well the I stand corrected.

Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while?

Let me just drive my point home and call it a year.

I think all participants should be compensated monetarily. % or flat rate.

My other issue is people questioning the riders pride or honour/honor. I personally think most have pride or honour for country but Imo I find it just as honorable to pass on such an opportunity like the mxdn so that you can spend it with your loved ones, especially when it's an event that happens yearly.

And with that I will bow out knowing I'm right Woohoo

No need for name calling sir
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8/12/2016 11:13am
Youthstream pays prize money for the MXdN! Next excuse?
Why do they pay prize money at the MXdN but not GPs?

8/12/2016 11:22am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:25am
FastGzus wrote:
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand. Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc I don't believe...
True he wouldn't but he would command much more then 3 grand.

Are the GPs in America the MONSTER GP of Charlotte? Etc

I don't believe the MXDN is the Monster mxdn.

Point: Monster is compensating their sponsored athlete sufficiently to compete in those two races in which they're the headline sponsor, much like I'm sure Red Bull does with their athletes and the straight rhythm. If they would like to compensate them extra for the mxdn as well I'm all for that
They are the headline sponsor of all three events...
FastGzus wrote:
Well the I stand corrected. Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while? Let...
Well the I stand corrected.

Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while?

Let me just drive my point home and call it a year.

I think all participants should be compensated monetarily. % or flat rate.

My other issue is people questioning the riders pride or honour/honor. I personally think most have pride or honour for country but Imo I find it just as honorable to pass on such an opportunity like the mxdn so that you can spend it with your loved ones, especially when it's an event that happens yearly.

And with that I will bow out knowing I'm right Woohoo

No need for name calling sir
Who knows, the whole thing is weird!

Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN?

The coverage and popularity of the latter blows the former out of the water!
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They are the headline sponsor of all three events...
FastGzus wrote:
Well the I stand corrected. Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while? Let...
Well the I stand corrected.

Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while?

Let me just drive my point home and call it a year.

I think all participants should be compensated monetarily. % or flat rate.

My other issue is people questioning the riders pride or honour/honor. I personally think most have pride or honour for country but Imo I find it just as honorable to pass on such an opportunity like the mxdn so that you can spend it with your loved ones, especially when it's an event that happens yearly.

And with that I will bow out knowing I'm right Woohoo

No need for name calling sir
Who knows, the whole thing is weird! Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN? The coverage and popularity of the latter...
Who knows, the whole thing is weird!

Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN?

The coverage and popularity of the latter blows the former out of the water!
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw a crowd to do so and to draw that crowd they need top flight American riders. The MXdN will always draw a crowd
8/12/2016 11:29am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:31am
Robgvx wrote:
Why do they pay prize money at the MXdN but not GPs?

No idea Rob, you know way more than most! You tell us?
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8/12/2016 11:38am
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You probably typed this while masturbating over the Stars & Stripes, huh? I'm not bitching on the US nor called anyone a fag, good sir. The...
You probably typed this while masturbating over the Stars & Stripes, huh?

I'm not bitching on the US nor called anyone a fag, good sir. The thing is that the US Nationals ended two weeks closer to the end of the Nations a couple of years ago. So, really, who's "fault" is it anyway? Youthstream's or Feld's? Or Soviet Russia?
Excellent point about Nationals ending sooner.

And there is a week break again between the GH USGP and the MXoN. That was crazy last year.

Speaking of crazy I find it highly entertaining the sympathy these young atheletes (a few of them millionaires) garner from Vital MX crowd.

I know as well as anyone the sacrifices these modern day gladiators make by the dedication required, the travel schedule and ever present danger factor. That having been said give me a freaking break about having to race another race or two! This is their job and how many of us have had jobs that absolutely suck, doing things we didn't want to do, working for people we didn't want to work for, people we thought and know are complete idiots. Most of us also didnt't risk paralysis and death like our racers do but the compensation at the level for the riders who are MXoN eligible is pretty good.

Racing SX/MX professionally is far from easy but what I'm saying it is pretty darn good work if you can get. BTW don't even get me started on the doing it for country deal.. So sick of most everything always being about money and what's in it for me.

More than a few people inside and outside our sport could benefit from the concept of paying it forward IMHO. Excellent movie Pay It Forward too.
8/12/2016 11:38am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:42am
FastGzus wrote:
Well the I stand corrected. Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while? Let...
Well the I stand corrected.

Do you think Tomac is racing the USGPs because he wants to? Or because Monster made it worth his while?

Let me just drive my point home and call it a year.

I think all participants should be compensated monetarily. % or flat rate.

My other issue is people questioning the riders pride or honour/honor. I personally think most have pride or honour for country but Imo I find it just as honorable to pass on such an opportunity like the mxdn so that you can spend it with your loved ones, especially when it's an event that happens yearly.

And with that I will bow out knowing I'm right Woohoo

No need for name calling sir
Who knows, the whole thing is weird! Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN? The coverage and popularity of the latter...
Who knows, the whole thing is weird!

Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN?

The coverage and popularity of the latter blows the former out of the water!
FastGzus wrote:
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw...
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw a crowd to do so and to draw that crowd they need top flight American riders. The MXdN will always draw a crowd
So, we'll not see him at next years MXdN for the reasons above, plus his gnarly schedule yadda yadda yadda?
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FastGzus wrote:
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw...
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw a crowd to do so and to draw that crowd they need top flight American riders. The MXdN will always draw a crowd
Having two USGPs one on the East Coast and one on the West Coast they year before our next US MXoN falls under the category of excellent marketing for the 2017 MXoN IMO

Hoping the MXoN pays off for Bud Feldkamp given the investment he's made in putting on USGPs in year's past. Budd's Creek was great, ditto for Thunder Valley and here's hoping the 2017 GH MXoN will be one we talk about as where we regained the Chamberlain trophy.
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So, we'll not see him at next years MXdN for the reasons above, plus his gnarly schedule yadda yadda yadda?
:-)
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Who knows, the whole thing is weird! Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN? The coverage and popularity of the latter...
Who knows, the whole thing is weird!

Why would Monster make it worth his while and not the MXdN?

The coverage and popularity of the latter blows the former out of the water!
FastGzus wrote:
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw...
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw a crowd to do so and to draw that crowd they need top flight American riders. The MXdN will always draw a crowd
So, we'll not see him at next years MXdN for the reasons above, plus his gnarly schedule yadda yadda yadda?
Possibly, possibly not, not a fortune teller. I will respect whatever he chooses though and won't take is a disrespectful act to me the fat guy viewing it.
8/12/2016 11:48am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 11:49am
FastGzus wrote:
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw...
Because they want the GPs to continue to come to the USA and they especially want this Charlotte race to do well. They need to draw a crowd to do so and to draw that crowd they need top flight American riders. The MXdN will always draw a crowd
So, we'll not see him at next years MXdN for the reasons above, plus his gnarly schedule yadda yadda yadda?
FastGzus wrote:
Possibly, possibly not, not a fortune teller. I will respect whatever he chooses though and won't take is a disrespectful act to me the fat guy...
Possibly, possibly not, not a fortune teller. I will respect whatever he chooses though and won't take is a disrespectful act to me the fat guy viewing it.
Bar injury, he'll be there and I'd be willing to put money on that! He's not enjoyed the losses in Europe and has said so himself. Glen Helen will give him and Team USA the best shot at it in recent years, can't wait to come over and check it out!
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8/12/2016 11:50am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2016 12:03pm
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You probably typed this while masturbating over the Stars & Stripes, huh? I'm not bitching on the US nor called anyone a fag, good sir. The...
You probably typed this while masturbating over the Stars & Stripes, huh?

I'm not bitching on the US nor called anyone a fag, good sir. The thing is that the US Nationals ended two weeks closer to the end of the Nations a couple of years ago. So, really, who's "fault" is it anyway? Youthstream's or Feld's? Or Soviet Russia?
The Rock wrote:
Excellent point about Nationals ending sooner. And there is a week break again between the GH USGP and the MXoN. That was crazy last year. Speaking...
Excellent point about Nationals ending sooner.

And there is a week break again between the GH USGP and the MXoN. That was crazy last year.

Speaking of crazy I find it highly entertaining the sympathy these young atheletes (a few of them millionaires) garner from Vital MX crowd.

I know as well as anyone the sacrifices these modern day gladiators make by the dedication required, the travel schedule and ever present danger factor. That having been said give me a freaking break about having to race another race or two! This is their job and how many of us have had jobs that absolutely suck, doing things we didn't want to do, working for people we didn't want to work for, people we thought and know are complete idiots. Most of us also didnt't risk paralysis and death like our racers do but the compensation at the level for the riders who are MXoN eligible is pretty good.

Racing SX/MX professionally is far from easy but what I'm saying it is pretty darn good work if you can get. BTW don't even get me started on the doing it for country deal.. So sick of most everything always being about money and what's in it for me.

More than a few people inside and outside our sport could benefit from the concept of paying it forward IMHO. Excellent movie Pay It Forward too.
Having said all that, if you sign a contract with that sucky employer for a M-F job that pays you x amount per week, Saturday's not included. Then he comes and says we would like you to work this Sat for nothing. Chances are, even though you're prideful of your work, your going to either say 1) sure but I would like to be compensated for my time or 2) take a long walk off a short bridge.

Basically Imo that's what these guys have done and I can't expect or demand they do anything different.

As far as paying it forward, it's an easy argument to make, if these guys are skipping due to monetary concerns, that paying forward is exactly what they're doing. Ask today's NFL players if the guys who held out in the early 80s I believe so they foul have free agency if they paid it forward. Sure as hell didn't seem like it to the fans of that time.
8/12/2016 12:28pm
The ALMIGHTY DOLLAR REIGNS SUPREME I GUESS. PITIFUL...
8/12/2016 12:30pm
I take that back, our Military Forces don't see it that way......
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Is it pitiful Mike? Or do we all bust our ass for money so that later in life we have enough to enjoy it? I'd say it's reality, not pitiful.
8/12/2016 1:43pm
All the excuses just add up to a pile of crap. Your motorcycle federation honors you by picking you as one of the 3 best riders to bring the Chamberlain Trophy home for a year, It's understandable that a rider doesn't want to be know as one of the team that wasn't even on the podium, losers. When was the last time a AMA rider even won a Moto at the MXoN?
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You probably typed this while masturbating over the Stars & Stripes, huh? I'm not bitching on the US nor called anyone a fag, good sir. The...
You probably typed this while masturbating over the Stars & Stripes, huh?

I'm not bitching on the US nor called anyone a fag, good sir. The thing is that the US Nationals ended two weeks closer to the end of the Nations a couple of years ago. So, really, who's "fault" is it anyway? Youthstream's or Feld's? Or Soviet Russia?
The Rock wrote:
Excellent point about Nationals ending sooner. And there is a week break again between the GH USGP and the MXoN. That was crazy last year. Speaking...
Excellent point about Nationals ending sooner.

And there is a week break again between the GH USGP and the MXoN. That was crazy last year.

Speaking of crazy I find it highly entertaining the sympathy these young atheletes (a few of them millionaires) garner from Vital MX crowd.

I know as well as anyone the sacrifices these modern day gladiators make by the dedication required, the travel schedule and ever present danger factor. That having been said give me a freaking break about having to race another race or two! This is their job and how many of us have had jobs that absolutely suck, doing things we didn't want to do, working for people we didn't want to work for, people we thought and know are complete idiots. Most of us also didnt't risk paralysis and death like our racers do but the compensation at the level for the riders who are MXoN eligible is pretty good.

Racing SX/MX professionally is far from easy but what I'm saying it is pretty darn good work if you can get. BTW don't even get me started on the doing it for country deal.. So sick of most everything always being about money and what's in it for me.

More than a few people inside and outside our sport could benefit from the concept of paying it forward IMHO. Excellent movie Pay It Forward too.
Damn it, The Rock you get my respect. I agree on everything you said!

But it is very, very disgusting that MXdN has somehow become questionable because riders don't get enough of money according to some people and even some moto media. That is in my opinion insane. MXdN isn't about the money, it never was. Nobody thought that is was "unfair" or unjust for the riders when US absolutely dominated the world of MX in early 2000s and 1990s.

Yes. The devil himself Luongo makes money of this event. But hey, do you know that the owner of SX Kenneth Feld is according to the internet worth of 1,8bn. I'm not going to defend Luongo but this Feld guy have way, way more money than Luongo. Feld could basically make every single main event rider a millionaire, but why would he? I'm just going to stop there.
8/12/2016 2:02pm
I hate to say it but I feel like this is an American thing right now. After the usual threads screaming USA! USA! USA! after team USA kicked everyones ass over at mxdn in years past, here we are after a couple of years of USA not winning the event and we are having multiple multipage threads about all the different reasons why team USA hasn't won, about riders saying no to the event and people questioning the prestige of the biggest event of the year in our sport. After all the finger pointing and other crap the US riders have had to deal with from fans and media every year after the event since this "losing streak" started, I don't blame them for losing interest of going. I do get the point and realize that the riders work harder and harder every year, but I doubt that it would be an excuse if USA was still dominating the event. My point is that when team USA gets back to the top step of the podium, the event probably gets a lot of its glory back in the eyes of American fans and riders, and threads like this or the ones about American riders not going will again be replaced with the USA! USA! USA! chants.
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I hate to say it but I feel like this is an American thing right now. After the usual threads screaming USA! USA! USA! after team...
I hate to say it but I feel like this is an American thing right now. After the usual threads screaming USA! USA! USA! after team USA kicked everyones ass over at mxdn in years past, here we are after a couple of years of USA not winning the event and we are having multiple multipage threads about all the different reasons why team USA hasn't won, about riders saying no to the event and people questioning the prestige of the biggest event of the year in our sport. After all the finger pointing and other crap the US riders have had to deal with from fans and media every year after the event since this "losing streak" started, I don't blame them for losing interest of going. I do get the point and realize that the riders work harder and harder every year, but I doubt that it would be an excuse if USA was still dominating the event. My point is that when team USA gets back to the top step of the podium, the event probably gets a lot of its glory back in the eyes of American fans and riders, and threads like this or the ones about American riders not going will again be replaced with the USA! USA! USA! chants.
I agree with you. It's almost like us Finns when it comes to ski jumping. Finland was into it for decades since we were actually good at it, every one watched it. But now we suck at it and no one cares.

But USA needs to correct their expectations for MXdN. They should go into every race and aim at the title but not expect it. The days of USA winning it even before the gate drops are gone, and that is a good thing. Way more uncertain and exciting!
8/12/2016 2:12pm
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I agree with you. It's almost like us Finns when it comes to ski jumping. Finland was into it for decades since we were actually good...
I agree with you. It's almost like us Finns when it comes to ski jumping. Finland was into it for decades since we were actually good at it, every one watched it. But now we suck at it and no one cares.

But USA needs to correct their expectations for MXdN. They should go into every race and aim at the title but not expect it. The days of USA winning it even before the gate drops are gone, and that is a good thing. Way more uncertain and exciting!
I was actually about to use Finnish ski jumpers as an example, but since I thought nobody here would have any idea about what ski jumping is I dropped it Laughing
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8/12/2016 2:17pm
Motofinne wrote:
I agree with you. It's almost like us Finns when it comes to ski jumping. Finland was into it for decades since we were actually good...
I agree with you. It's almost like us Finns when it comes to ski jumping. Finland was into it for decades since we were actually good at it, every one watched it. But now we suck at it and no one cares.

But USA needs to correct their expectations for MXdN. They should go into every race and aim at the title but not expect it. The days of USA winning it even before the gate drops are gone, and that is a good thing. Way more uncertain and exciting!
I was actually about to use Finnish ski jumpers as an example, but since I thought nobody here would have any idea about what ski jumping...
I was actually about to use Finnish ski jumpers as an example, but since I thought nobody here would have any idea about what ski jumping is I dropped it Laughing
Haha, i thought it was the perfect example. Although the big difference is that pretty much the majority of the finnish population was into it. There will never be that kind of hype of MX or SX in USA ever.
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8/12/2016 2:21pm
The Source wrote:
All the excuses just add up to a pile of crap. Your motorcycle federation honors you by picking you as one of the 3 best riders...
All the excuses just add up to a pile of crap. Your motorcycle federation honors you by picking you as one of the 3 best riders to bring the Chamberlain Trophy home for a year, It's understandable that a rider doesn't want to be know as one of the team that wasn't even on the podium, losers. When was the last time a AMA rider even won a Moto at the MXoN?
Ah last year dingus

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