EMX 300 returns

roninho
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8/2/2016 6:04am
Well i don't blame Honda for promoting their 150 4-stroke. Better then not spending $ in the sport.

What i don't like is that it's a class that isn't alligned at all with other manufacturers. I mean, we all have an opinion on 4-strokes, but at least with the 250 and 450 all manufacturers joined and we have 1 class with the same bikes. If you compare that to the youth structure one can only conclude that the youth structure is just awfull. You've got some oem's making everything from 50cc to 125cc 2 stroke, you have some doing a bit, you have one throwing in a 150cc 4-strokes. A shame, because imo an alligned youth structure would mean all the talent in the same class and more $ for support for these kids (just imagine Honda spending the 150 $ on 85cc)).
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8/2/2016 6:38am
GrapeApe wrote:
I get the EMX150 class, the "schoolboy" class of Europe. It is a great continuation of the Supermini class, and a great feeder to ....
I get the EMX150 class, the "schoolboy" class of Europe. It is a great continuation of the Supermini class, and a great feeder to . . . EMX250. I get EMX250, the "A" class of Europe and a great feeder to . . . MX2 which is a great feeder to . . . MX1. I don't get the EMX 300 class. Where does the EMX300 champ end up? Back in EMX150 hoping for a ride?
philG wrote:
But it isn't . nobody buys or races 150 Honda's any more, all of those guys in the championship would be riding an 85 the rest...
But it isn't . nobody buys or races 150 Honda's any more, all of those guys in the championship would be riding an 85 the rest of the time, and most of the guys , apart from the odd one , aren't good enough on an 85 to get anywhere. Apart from the guys going for the win and a free ride, the rest are just there to say they did it IMO .. Honda wanted big bucks when it first came out, and with such a poor response , it nearly died on its arse , until they virtually gave the rides away.

Kids should be going 85-125-250 ..... The prize for winning the EMX 150 series is a fully paid for ride in EMX250.. the guy that won last year isn't old enough to ride in EMX250 yet , and the gulf between 85 and 250 is HUGE.... of course the ideal scenario would be a ride in EMX125 but Honda don't make one, so they cant .

EMX85 was a series , but costs to young riders are huge , and it basically comes down to who can afford to do it.

EMX300 was a Luongo idea, and after a slow start , riders and teams are starting to come. The standard has risen massively , and its a great race to watch. Guys who are aged out of MX2, and don't have the budget (or talent) to run MX1 have a place to ride, these are people who back in the day would have been trying to qualify for MX GP races , and are getting themselves a good series to run in as a result.

I would guess that Yamaha sold 50 times more YZ250's than Honda did 150's....

EMX 300 champ Samuele Bernadini rides factory TM250 in MX 2 , Marco Madii moved to MX1.. just because the rest of the guys are not names, doesn't mean the racing isn't good to watch, or to listen to
GrapeApe wrote:
Oh man, I totally misspoke. I meant the EMX125 class, not the EMX150 class. I get that class is just a paid advertisement. Sorry you had...
Oh man, I totally misspoke. I meant the EMX125 class, not the EMX150 class. I get that class is just a paid advertisement. Sorry you had to write all of that!

I still don't really get the EMX300 class, but if the entries are growing I guess they're doing something right.
Yeah, but it was an informative post so not wasted. Smile
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8/2/2016 6:47am
roninho wrote:
Well i don't blame Honda for promoting their 150 4-stroke. Better then not spending $ in the sport. What i don't like is that it's a...
Well i don't blame Honda for promoting their 150 4-stroke. Better then not spending $ in the sport.

What i don't like is that it's a class that isn't alligned at all with other manufacturers. I mean, we all have an opinion on 4-strokes, but at least with the 250 and 450 all manufacturers joined and we have 1 class with the same bikes. If you compare that to the youth structure one can only conclude that the youth structure is just awfull. You've got some oem's making everything from 50cc to 125cc 2 stroke, you have some doing a bit, you have one throwing in a 150cc 4-strokes. A shame, because imo an alligned youth structure would mean all the talent in the same class and more $ for support for these kids (just imagine Honda spending the 150 $ on 85cc)).
DC and a few others came on here and commented about the two strokes at the national level and how the mfgs. don't like, don't make and don't want this or that but then one lone single manufacturer shows up with some money and lo and behold we have a Honda 150 cup challenge race at the nationals. Anyone remember that?

Regardless of the overwhelming lack of concern from the industry as a whole here in the states, it is good to see the Euro's putting their best foot forward to help re-grow the sport. Having the 125 and 300 class in the GP spotlight seems to be a pretty good deal judging from the teams and mfgs asking that it not go away.
8/2/2016 7:32am
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got nothing to fill his pockets with if he gets rid of the class. He will drop a lot of money with his overpriced entry fees.
He don't care about 2strokes
I find it coincidental this class and Teuthcensthal were both not going to be renewed and in the same week there back. Longdongo only looks after his wallet.

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8/2/2016 7:36am
GrapeApe wrote:
I misspoke, calm down.
I'm not 'uncalm' ( with reference to Your post).

I offered my take, on your post, about a class, as it was written, and read.
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Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got...
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got nothing to fill his pockets with if he gets rid of the class. He will drop a lot of money with his overpriced entry fees.
He don't care about 2strokes
I find it coincidental this class and Teuthcensthal were both not going to be renewed and in the same week there back. Longdongo only looks after his wallet.
Those of us that follow the GPs, know full well that Luongo only cares about the money "his sport", can fill his pockets with.

Don't be a drongo, and glorify the bastard with a nickname like 'longdongo'...........
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8/2/2016 7:59am
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got...
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got nothing to fill his pockets with if he gets rid of the class. He will drop a lot of money with his overpriced entry fees.
He don't care about 2strokes
I find it coincidental this class and Teuthcensthal were both not going to be renewed and in the same week there back. Longdongo only looks after his wallet.
The issue was with the amount of races that have to be fitted in a day , and the track as a result... the top guys moan that the tracks aren't just busted out , but busted out by slower guys , with bumps and berms that aren't in the right places, and the response was to cut short the program and do more track work, by losing a class.

However, paddock feeling was that by canning the EMX300, and not EMX150 , he had shot the wrong horse , and as a result ,Yamaha, KTM, and Husky were less than thrilled.

As I understand it , EMX125 & EMX 250 will run less rounds next year instead, which will reduce costs for the riders and teams , and the resulting races will be spread out over more rounds.. Assen GP has EMX150, Women, and Vets, which IMO could all go, but I would rather watch Women races at GP's than the 150's.

The number of girls racing and racing well has gone up massively , to the point where I don't even think about it any more, as being a big deal. They should get rounds at GP's too.

I wasn't in the meeting , but have spoken to people who were, and I will also try and find out what the story is with Teuschenthal, as my understanding was it didn't add up money wise any more , and that was it. Maybe an outside sponsor has stepped in.
8/2/2016 3:36pm
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got...
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got nothing to fill his pockets with if he gets rid of the class. He will drop a lot of money with his overpriced entry fees.
He don't care about 2strokes
I find it coincidental this class and Teuthcensthal were both not going to be renewed and in the same week there back. Longdongo only looks after his wallet.
Bearuno wrote:
Those of us that follow the GPs, know full well that Luongo only cares about the money "his sport", can fill his pockets with. Don't be...
Those of us that follow the GPs, know full well that Luongo only cares about the money "his sport", can fill his pockets with.

Don't be a drongo, and glorify the bastard with a nickname like 'longdongo'...........
How about 2 dicks as ya can't be that much of a prick pulling just one
8/2/2016 3:43pm
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got...
Wow I think you guys have missed the big picture here. It's got nothing to do with a 2st movement its Longdongo realising he ain't got nothing to fill his pockets with if he gets rid of the class. He will drop a lot of money with his overpriced entry fees.
He don't care about 2strokes
I find it coincidental this class and Teuthcensthal were both not going to be renewed and in the same week there back. Longdongo only looks after his wallet.
philG wrote:
The issue was with the amount of races that have to be fitted in a day , and the track as a result... the top guys...
The issue was with the amount of races that have to be fitted in a day , and the track as a result... the top guys moan that the tracks aren't just busted out , but busted out by slower guys , with bumps and berms that aren't in the right places, and the response was to cut short the program and do more track work, by losing a class.

However, paddock feeling was that by canning the EMX300, and not EMX150 , he had shot the wrong horse , and as a result ,Yamaha, KTM, and Husky were less than thrilled.

As I understand it , EMX125 & EMX 250 will run less rounds next year instead, which will reduce costs for the riders and teams , and the resulting races will be spread out over more rounds.. Assen GP has EMX150, Women, and Vets, which IMO could all go, but I would rather watch Women races at GP's than the 150's.

The number of girls racing and racing well has gone up massively , to the point where I don't even think about it any more, as being a big deal. They should get rounds at GP's too.

I wasn't in the meeting , but have spoken to people who were, and I will also try and find out what the story is with Teuschenthal, as my understanding was it didn't add up money wise any more , and that was it. Maybe an outside sponsor has stepped in.
The series is getting stronger but it's becoming a rich persons sport which has a knock on effect in average spaced out racing. I call it the Pasto Maldanado effect.
I'd bet my last ball that Luongo dropped his fee.
EMX250 and EMX125 I agree with. Hard to know what to do with the 150 class I think it's great Honda putting up the funding/machinery for the young kids but would rather see the 150's in with the EMX85 class.
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8/2/2016 5:04pm
I was also told by someone who I would consider to have strong links with MXGP, and works within the industry that a decision has been made to include like for like cc 2st/4st in MX2 and MX1 to include 2st machinery also (quite how the cc will stack up I don't know). This was also then backed up in a 2nd conversation I had with a team manager.

The EMX300 class has provided some good entertainment this year, and as already mentioned Samuel Bernadini who won the class last year, has gone on to have a good year in mx2. Together with the EMX250 class they can provide teams and riders a stepping stone to the bigger leagues while remaining within a tighter budget. I'm sure its still not cheap mind, but then were not talking about a local race series.

I'm sure that Yental Martens Husky 300 2st he won on this weekend is as close to a full factory 2st as you can get, but he's been beaten this year by Brad Anderson and Lewis Gregory on the GL12 Yamaha privateer team so it is possible for the smaller teams to compete. This was never a cheap sport at the higher levels of completion, if it was too expensive there would be less guys on the line.
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8/2/2016 8:44pm
Mucktub wrote:
I was also told by someone who I would consider to have strong links with MXGP, and works within the industry that a decision has been...
I was also told by someone who I would consider to have strong links with MXGP, and works within the industry that a decision has been made to include like for like cc 2st/4st in MX2 and MX1 to include 2st machinery also (quite how the cc will stack up I don't know). This was also then backed up in a 2nd conversation I had with a team manager.

The EMX300 class has provided some good entertainment this year, and as already mentioned Samuel Bernadini who won the class last year, has gone on to have a good year in mx2. Together with the EMX250 class they can provide teams and riders a stepping stone to the bigger leagues while remaining within a tighter budget. I'm sure its still not cheap mind, but then were not talking about a local race series.

I'm sure that Yental Martens Husky 300 2st he won on this weekend is as close to a full factory 2st as you can get, but he's been beaten this year by Brad Anderson and Lewis Gregory on the GL12 Yamaha privateer team so it is possible for the smaller teams to compete. This was never a cheap sport at the higher levels of completion, if it was too expensive there would be less guys on the line.
Whoa! Did I read that first paragraph right!! Shocked
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8/2/2016 9:08pm
roninho wrote:
Well i don't blame Honda for promoting their 150 4-stroke. Better then not spending $ in the sport. What i don't like is that it's a...
Well i don't blame Honda for promoting their 150 4-stroke. Better then not spending $ in the sport.

What i don't like is that it's a class that isn't alligned at all with other manufacturers. I mean, we all have an opinion on 4-strokes, but at least with the 250 and 450 all manufacturers joined and we have 1 class with the same bikes. If you compare that to the youth structure one can only conclude that the youth structure is just awfull. You've got some oem's making everything from 50cc to 125cc 2 stroke, you have some doing a bit, you have one throwing in a 150cc 4-strokes. A shame, because imo an alligned youth structure would mean all the talent in the same class and more $ for support for these kids (just imagine Honda spending the 150 $ on 85cc)).
newmann wrote:
DC and a few others came on here and commented about the two strokes at the national level and how the mfgs. don't like, don't make...
DC and a few others came on here and commented about the two strokes at the national level and how the mfgs. don't like, don't make and don't want this or that but then one lone single manufacturer shows up with some money and lo and behold we have a Honda 150 cup challenge race at the nationals. Anyone remember that?

Regardless of the overwhelming lack of concern from the industry as a whole here in the states, it is good to see the Euro's putting their best foot forward to help re-grow the sport. Having the 125 and 300 class in the GP spotlight seems to be a pretty good deal judging from the teams and mfgs asking that it not go away.
X2 Well said!

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