Best way to attack hills on the road bike....

There are some animals in the Cleveland touring club. I can ride right with the B riders in the pack But as soon as we hit a decent climb they just leave me. Im just astonished at how fast these dudes are pullin up hills.

I'm all the way in my lowest gear and on the small ring and I'm dieing going up these climbs. My heart is pounding out of my chest and I feel like im gonna die. They re grouped, but I never get a chance to catch my breathe because they're taking off once I get to the re group.

What can I do to improve my climbs ? I'm using Shimano Claris. I think I might need to start doing leg lifting 3 times a week. But then when do I recover for the long rides.

Group road bike riding is so much fun. And instead of me getting massive arm pump I just get massive leg pump.







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Find a steep hill and do two min intervals x 5-10 times, start from the same spot all the time, remember where you are at the end of two min on your first day, lets say you make it 300 feet in 2 min, after 2-3 months you should be able to climb that 300 feet in 1:30

7/30/2016 6:29pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2016 6:30pm
How often a week should I be doing these intervals ?

Were you talking 5-10 per day ?
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Train hills 1-3 days a week depending on how many other rides you do, each hill day do the 2 min at least 5 times, after a warm up, for a total ride time around 30-40 min, do some longer rides also, 50-100 mile range at least once a month the longer the better, fast guys do about 100 miles every weekend if not racing
7/30/2016 7:51pm
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Serious question, is your seat high enough? And is it comfortable?
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Assuming you are genetically predisposed for sprinting (higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers) longer climbs will always be more challenging against those built for climbing. That was my case from the first day I started riding until the day I stopped racing 21 years later.

This worked for me: Build a solid aerobic base, get as lean as possible without losing power (big difference maker), develop an efficient pedal stroke, relax your upper body, open your chest as much as possible, and control your breathing with full exhales. You can also mark another rider who is at the front at the City limit sprint signs and follow their wheel up the hill. Be prepared to burn every match in your book to get over the top with the lead group. You can return the favor on the short, steep climbs by mashing a big gear and put the hurt on the climbers. Ned Overend advised to keep hammering even after the peak when everyone wants to sit up and recover.

Try to find a weekly training crit. They're usually an hour plus 5 laps and resemble the first lap of a full gate moto. Good fun.
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Yup, just keep hammering hills in your weekly rides..only way to perfect it. This was at 4 thousand ft. last week.


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4 days later at 2500 Ft...

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You're not riding in either pic....

So the bike does all the work and you ride Uber to the top?
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KMC440 wrote:
You're not riding in either pic....

So the bike does all the work and you ride Uber to the top?
Actually I just put the bike in the trunk of the car and brought it up there for the pictures.
7/31/2016 9:45am Edited Date/Time 7/31/2016 9:48am
@colin my bike is perfectly setup. No numbness or tingling. No back pain. Seats just right it. My feet don't get hot like some guys I ride with complain. If anything the bike setup is solid. The rest is me.

I'm trying to ride atleast 30 miles Everytime I ride. Did 30 this morning. And 38 Thursday. Tuesday did 22 miles. The Thursday ride was pretty hill intensive. Today wasn't much hills.

I don't think ohio has that kind of gain vet. A guy just moved here from colorado and he's a freaking ANIMAL.
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7/31/2016 10:16am Edited Date/Time 7/31/2016 10:17am
KMC440 wrote:
You're not riding in either pic....

So the bike does all the work and you ride Uber to the top?
Vet57 wrote:
Actually I just put the bike in the trunk of the car and brought it up there for the pictures.
Sweet ! ! !

Nice pics Wink

I could barely make 20miles at Road America on Indy Car weekend .... ohhhhh the humiliation. ....
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Nighttrain wrote:
Assuming you are genetically predisposed for sprinting (higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers) longer climbs will always be more challenging against those built for climbing...
Assuming you are genetically predisposed for sprinting (higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers) longer climbs will always be more challenging against those built for climbing. That was my case from the first day I started riding until the day I stopped racing 21 years later.

This worked for me: Build a solid aerobic base, get as lean as possible without losing power (big difference maker), develop an efficient pedal stroke, relax your upper body, open your chest as much as possible, and control your breathing with full exhales. You can also mark another rider who is at the front at the City limit sprint signs and follow their wheel up the hill. Be prepared to burn every match in your book to get over the top with the lead group. You can return the favor on the short, steep climbs by mashing a big gear and put the hurt on the climbers. Ned Overend advised to keep hammering even after the peak when everyone wants to sit up and recover.

Try to find a weekly training crit. They're usually an hour plus 5 laps and resemble the first lap of a full gate moto. Good fun.
That genetic predisposition thing sure seems pretty strong because our local bike hero grew up riding some pretty decent climbs and is still a sprinter first who just tries to survive climbs. If a guy like Tyler Farrar struggles with climbs after growing up here, then that's saying something.

Here's one of the climbs that our local bike club does. This is Mission Ridge road, from just a small distance from the house I just sold to the local ski area.

Stats

Distance: 11 miles

Beginning elevation: 97'

Ending elevation: 4,556'

Elevation gained: 5,314'

Average Grade: 7.1%

Fiets Index: 8.84


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I would suggest that you pedal faster.
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sostoked wrote:
I would suggest that you pedal faster.
I'd suggest bringing something productive to the conversation. Smile
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squats, power + endurance = speed
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@colin my bike is perfectly setup. No numbness or tingling. No back pain. Seats just right it. My feet don't get hot like some guys I...
@colin my bike is perfectly setup. No numbness or tingling. No back pain. Seats just right it. My feet don't get hot like some guys I ride with complain. If anything the bike setup is solid. The rest is me.

I'm trying to ride atleast 30 miles Everytime I ride. Did 30 this morning. And 38 Thursday. Tuesday did 22 miles. The Thursday ride was pretty hill intensive. Today wasn't much hills.

I don't think ohio has that kind of gain vet. A guy just moved here from colorado and he's a freaking ANIMAL.
If I remember correctly we're about the same age. I'm 30. It sure seems more difficult now than it was 3 or 4 years ago to make big gains in the endurance department.

3 years ago, my daily ride was only 12 miles, it was on a 29er mountain bike and it was nothing but rolling hills. Seemed like my time was spent 80% climbing then shoot to the bottom and back at it. I didn't have a road bike at that point since I liked riding mountain more than trails. Still do really, but the road bike is so much more convenient. I think the rolling hills were the ideal situation for interval training. It was a natural interval, sprint to the top, mash as much as you can, then recover on the way down, grab water, then do it again. I had to be off the bike for the better part of 9 months, so my endurance is now shot and I'm a bit overweight for riding. I've been getting back into it. The flat 20 mile ride I used to do regularly is kicking my ass lately. On top of that, I'm moving houses, and it's difficult to find time to ride. The new house has a bunch of rolling hills around it also, so I'm going to get back at that. I was at my peak motocross riding ability when i was good at the rolling hills.

The guys in the front of the group charging up the hills have years and years of muscle memory and training. I think you're relatively new to riding right? Maybe last year? Sounds like you're riding and resting well enough. Just keep incorporating more and more hills into your training, extend your mileage, and most importantly, give yourself a 2-3 day rest every couple of weeks to recover. Efficient hill climbing is a long term goal as in something you have to work on over a couple of years to get to the front group.
8/1/2016 6:37am
I did 50 miles yesterday no struggle at all. Not very hill intensive. But the rolling hills rides for me are Tuesday's and Thursday's with a bike club. It's a struggle to go 30 miles with them.

I was only in HR zone 2 yesterday. But the club rides I never see 2. I'm always 3.8-4.5. And I feel like the Guys I'm riding with are in zone 2. They're not even huffing and puffing while I'm dieing. Ha.
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Ride lots...
8/1/2016 10:14am
I'm doing Ironman Wisconsin Sept 11th this year. It was just announced last week a change in the bike course due to road construction. Now there is a section with 16deg incline. 16 fucking degrees!
This past weekend some of my friends went up for training camp and biked the course. Said at least half the people ended up walking part of that hill. Just crazy.
I'll be going this weekend for IM camp and give it a shot. Like said above "ride lots" haha...that is the absolute truth.

I'm just wanting to survive, not be the fastest on the 112 mile bike.
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I'm doing Ironman Wisconsin Sept 11th this year. It was just announced last week a change in the bike course due to road construction. Now there...
I'm doing Ironman Wisconsin Sept 11th this year. It was just announced last week a change in the bike course due to road construction. Now there is a section with 16deg incline. 16 fucking degrees!
This past weekend some of my friends went up for training camp and biked the course. Said at least half the people ended up walking part of that hill. Just crazy.
I'll be going this weekend for IM camp and give it a shot. Like said above "ride lots" haha...that is the absolute truth.

I'm just wanting to survive, not be the fastest on the 112 mile bike.
26% highway here. Its brutal to walk even one section of it. Cars and trucks have trouble due to the elevation.
8/1/2016 10:55am Edited Date/Time 8/1/2016 10:56am
2-3% are probably the steepest I see. #wuss yep.
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Get a single speed for training, that way you can't puss out by switching to an easier gear. Be careful though, you might like it Wink
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Considering I've established a good base fitness, for me, good climbing is about getting my legs stronger, and getting my weight in line. I'm not blessed with big powerful cycling legs, so I have to keep my power-to-weight ratio in check. For me, that's being around 170-175lbs. I can tell a huge difference when I lose 5lbs, it feels like I have turbo boost. This coming from a guy who's lifetime average weight is about 175-180.

I also spend some time time (not enough) doing off-the-bike training that strengthens my core and legs. Squats, lunges, plyometric jumps. And then any number of core-strengthening work. Your core is your power base, a strong core makes a huge difference.

Find your "happy place" in terms of your pedal cadence. Some guys can turn a big gear at a lower cadence (say 65-80rpm) and others have to rely on spinning a higher cadence (85-100rpm) to make it happen. I have a couple of people in my group that I look for when I'm in trouble (climbing). I lock on to their wheel and try to mimic their cadence. This just comes from years of riding together. I'm not a masher, but I will try to mix my cadence up on longer climbs. Typically, I'm spinning around 90ish, but I'll drop down into the low 80s to let my legs bear some of the weight of the climb (hence getting my legs stronger).

On long climbs, you can move forward, or backward on the seat a tad to engage different muscle groups.

Try to feel the sensation of pedaling in full circles, and pulling up on the upstroke of the pedal stroke.

Finally, as someone posted earlier...ride lots. All of this isn't worth a dime if you're not truly in shape.
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I did 50 miles yesterday no struggle at all. Not very hill intensive. But the rolling hills rides for me are Tuesday's and Thursday's with a...
I did 50 miles yesterday no struggle at all. Not very hill intensive. But the rolling hills rides for me are Tuesday's and Thursday's with a bike club. It's a struggle to go 30 miles with them.

I was only in HR zone 2 yesterday. But the club rides I never see 2. I'm always 3.8-4.5. And I feel like the Guys I'm riding with are in zone 2. They're not even huffing and puffing while I'm dieing. Ha.
Hang in there, gaining fitness in cycling is a long process but seems to shorten significantly after the first couple of seasons. There are lots of good tips in this thread. DocJD is spot on. After moving from hilly North GA to a pancake flat region I thought I'd never miss the climbs. I was wrong. There are no downhills for recovering and a fast group ride is a small group with a rotating double paceline. You have to do work or get spit out the back with a long grind home alone. Still, there's a peace that settles on a person when there's nothing to do but spin pedals in a smooth paceline.
8/2/2016 7:37am
I did 50 miles yesterday no struggle at all. Not very hill intensive. But the rolling hills rides for me are Tuesday's and Thursday's with a...
I did 50 miles yesterday no struggle at all. Not very hill intensive. But the rolling hills rides for me are Tuesday's and Thursday's with a bike club. It's a struggle to go 30 miles with them.

I was only in HR zone 2 yesterday. But the club rides I never see 2. I'm always 3.8-4.5. And I feel like the Guys I'm riding with are in zone 2. They're not even huffing and puffing while I'm dieing. Ha.
Nighttrain wrote:
Hang in there, gaining fitness in cycling is a long process but seems to shorten significantly after the first couple of seasons. There are lots of...
Hang in there, gaining fitness in cycling is a long process but seems to shorten significantly after the first couple of seasons. There are lots of good tips in this thread. DocJD is spot on. After moving from hilly North GA to a pancake flat region I thought I'd never miss the climbs. I was wrong. There are no downhills for recovering and a fast group ride is a small group with a rotating double paceline. You have to do work or get spit out the back with a long grind home alone. Still, there's a peace that settles on a person when there's nothing to do but spin pedals in a smooth paceline.
I agree it takes a good 2 seasons to grow on the bike. At least 2! and that's including winter work on the indoor trainer.
I try and push the power up going down so I can keep momentum on the upswing. Then soft pedal in an easy gear rolling over the top of hill.
Seems like no matter how I attack it, one of my riding partners kills me on the hills. I use it as an incentive to keep riding and get stronger. Always stay positive.
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Long rides can short cut the time to build a good base, it will make you a more efficient pedeler, build up your red cell blood count, is best for losing weight, and will mentally set a new max point.

If I had two days a week to train it would be one 5-7 hr ride and one hill day.
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Train with a different type of partner a few days a week......



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You're riding the wrong direction.
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How long are the climbs? I always liked to try and stay in the big ring and get out of the saddle. Of course this was probably 1-2 minute climb (doesn't sound like long, but 2 minutes out of the saddle feels like a long time). Also how "heavy" are you? I'm pretty light so didn't have big legs but I was a pretty good climber on short step climbs. Long steady up hills I wouldn't get up as well and would sometimes get dropped by bigger guys. Oh suck the wheel of the person in front of you leading to the climb, don't try and be a hero and pull everyone else to the climb...

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