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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 12:09pm
Im curious as to why there has been so much praise on here about how well Josh Grant has done ( which he deserves ) and how awsome the JGR program is and the potential impact they will have on the sport with their equipment and R&D?
On the other hand most seem to think the Yamaha is Stewarts biggest problem but the JGR Yamaha is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Why did JGR choose Yamaha if its such a disadvantaged machine? Im sure most would agree it couldnt be about the money since JGR im sure has no money worries compared to other players within the industry?
What are the differences between the L&M and JGR Yamahas?
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1/11/2009 11:47am
different riders man, that;;s all...james will get it together and has got it together (he won)

but his scooter looks far inferior to the RM that reed is riding
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1/11/2009 11:49am
JGR just chose Yammies because of the internal affiliation with Toyota.Unsure
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1/11/2009 11:50am
Yamaha gives up the factory suspension in the big bike class. The other factories will not. Check into it.
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1/11/2009 11:50am
Highsider wrote:
JGR just chose Yammies because of the internal affiliation with Toyota.Unsure
How are Toyota and Yami affiliated?

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1/11/2009 11:53am
Toyota owns a considerable stake in Yamaha.
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"In 2000, Toyota and Yamaha Corporation made a capital alliance where Toyota paid Yamaha Corporation 10.5 billion yen for a 5 per cent share in Yamaha Motor Company while Yamaha and Yamaha Motor each bought 500,000 shares of Toyota stock in return."


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1/11/2009 11:58am
They even have some of the same bolts!! The head cover on the 250/450 are 6mm allen heads, the same bolts the cars' head cover are. I worked @ toyota/yamaha dealership in 03, i laugh everytime i think about it.
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1/11/2009 12:02pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:55pm
I dont think Yamaha is a bad bike, I even bought myself one last year.... I just think in James case, he hasn't got it to work the way he is used to with the Kawasaki
JGR has a great Mechanic
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1/11/2009 12:07pm
The bike is as good as anything. Look at hondas results from the past 3 years. Those bikes must be real shit!
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1/11/2009 12:11pm
vet954 wrote:
The bike is as good as anything. Look at hondas results from the past 3 years. Those bikes must be real shit!
You have the Honda part down pat, that's for sure.
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1/11/2009 12:12pm
vet954 wrote:
The bike is as good as anything. Look at hondas results from the past 3 years. Those bikes must be real shit!
Speaking of Honda. Do you think they are kicking themselves now since JG is leading the points (for now) when they had an opportunity to hire him from Factory Connection? ...if they knew then what they know now...Wink
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1/11/2009 12:13pm
I wasnt really aware of the connection Yami and Toyota had. I think all the new production bikes are incredible machines. Is one BETTER than the others? I think that is mainly the riders preference. I think Reed himself sparked most of these discussions about the Yami and the issues HE had with it. I dont think the bike was ever Reeds reason for his performance. He did pretty damn well for himself while on that blue machine. The bottom line is there is always someone faster and unfortunately there can only be one winner.
I just dont get all the negative comments about Blue. James wins this weekend and i still hear he didnt win by 30 seconds because of the bike. Very strange opinions on here.
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The reality is that the comments about Yamabog et. al. are directly related to the complaints Reed used to make that Stewart fans used to claim Reed was a crybaby. Stewart even alluded to it last year in trash talk during interviews. Thus, when Stewart missed a shift (which looked like it could have been a hesitation from the motor) the Reed forces instantly used Stewart's trash-talk and, even more, the fanboys trash talk aginst Stewart.

Thus you see nobody commenting on Grant's bike. He had no part in the mudslinging between Stewart and Reed last year, and so is left out of it this year even though he's on a Yamaha.
1/11/2009 12:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:55pm
First of all anyone that says a Yamaha works bike is junk is an idiot.

JGR didnt choose Yamaha they chose them. JGR talked to several teams about getting bikes and Yamaha was willing to work with them the most.

Stewerts bike is not the problem, its more along the lines of who is setting up that bike that is the problem. L&M is a profesional team and what they dont have sorted out, they will. You have to remember that Anahiem was a soft track while L&M was testing on a hard track all winter long and they had no setting to go off of.

There are alot of differences between L&M and JGR but I will keep that to myself.
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1/11/2009 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:55pm
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First of all anyone that says a Yamaha works bike is junk is an idiot. JGR didnt choose Yamaha they chose them. JGR talked to several...
First of all anyone that says a Yamaha works bike is junk is an idiot.

JGR didnt choose Yamaha they chose them. JGR talked to several teams about getting bikes and Yamaha was willing to work with them the most.

Stewerts bike is not the problem, its more along the lines of who is setting up that bike that is the problem. L&M is a profesional team and what they dont have sorted out, they will. You have to remember that Anahiem was a soft track while L&M was testing on a hard track all winter long and they had no setting to go off of.

There are alot of differences between L&M and JGR but I will keep that to myself.
Big differences. One team is willing to try anything & the other team well....
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1/11/2009 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:55pm
The difference is JGR has the ability to try just about anything from on board telemetry (of course not while racing) to suspension dynos. None of the factories have anything close (in america anyway) to this level of technology.

Being able to use stuff on the NASCAR side is what is going to make JGR THE TEAM above all the factory teams. Remember this is their second year, they are still getting it all sorted out but when Yami goes FI, that will give this team even more of an advantage.

When we interviewed Jeremy he said himself it takes weeks for the factories to consider a change as it has to get approval from Japan then comes back for a work order. At that point it may be a week at the machinist. So figure a month for a change. At JGR they'll machine several different variations of the same part in one day.

L&M....well don't know much about them other than my buddy worked Oscar, Bubba's mechanic, back with Samsung / Bookoo....he said he's kind of surprised at the mechanics they have there. I Don't know if that is good or bad.
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1/11/2009 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:55pm
L&M does have some CNC machines for linkages & triple clamps. The motor is a Factory Yamaha tho. That is why Langstons old mechanic is always over in the pits, hes the middle man between the two teams. But I agree...having all that Nascar technology at your disposal would help out.
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1/11/2009 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:55pm
I still believe that Stewart has no problems with the engine on the YZ, it's just dialing his stiff suspension. It is widely known that Stewart isn't a very good tester. Sure he knows, or thinks he knows what he likes, but being able to communicate that to the team is another issue.

Also L & M may be a little intimidated by James and Big James. Sometimes the team needs to step up and guide the rider to a direction that works. That is what a good test rider does, he gets the bike close, James comes in and does some fine tuning.

The JGR guys seem to have done their homework, because Grant's bike looks like it's working good.Smile

BTW, James didn't have a "Yamabog". He missed the shift from 3rd to 4th, probably because of his new boots!
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1/11/2009 3:28pm
They will get that suspention dialed in.... and you will see the differenceWink
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1/11/2009 3:38pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2009 3:40pm
The JGR is the best Yamaha on the track. It turns and handles like a motorcycle. The other team has it setup like a chopper, similar to a certain KX250 a few years back, they never did get it dialed in.
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1/11/2009 4:06pm
One more thing that JGR has figured out.....public relations!

You see them giving interviews all over the place. A few of my friends that are part of the SX/MX media have said that they are way more accessible to the media. That is smart, they're able to promote their sponsors, riders, and the team.
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1/11/2009 4:09pm
I asked James if the boots were a factor, and he said no. He just hit neutral.
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1/11/2009 4:41pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2009 4:42pm
This team is the way all will go. They are doing things others can't afford at this time but soon will. JMO.... also what MXTR said about PR is so true.
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GuyB wrote:
I asked James if the boots were a factor, and he said no. He just hit neutral.
I was being a little facetious, there was a bunch of guys on some previous posts blaming the boots. He's obviously got good boots with Alpinestar.

Besides, most can't imagine how hard it is to click it up a gear right out of a corner before you hit the first whoop. Not much room for error, thats for sure.
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Yeah, I know, the boots are good. I meant more his experience and amount of time riding with them before the season started.
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1/11/2009 5:19pm
So would we be having this conversation if he were on a JGR Yami?
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MxDaD324 wrote:
So would we be having this conversation if he were on a JGR Yami?
Maybe not.

I agree with you that it is just a question of fine tuning before they get the set up on the bike just right.
I do think that process would have been much quicker and more accurate with JGR.

Having J-Bone, the guy who spun wrenches for him for all those years as the team manager could have made set up a little easier I would think.
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MxDaD324 wrote:
So would we be having this conversation if he were on a JGR Yami?
No, I think JGR would have all of this done also, as stated by jnd.
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GuyB wrote:
I asked James if the boots were a factor, and he said no. He just hit neutral.
I am sure Alpinestar would have loved to hear him say yes to that question..... Seriously, no offense, but do you think anyone would have answered yes to that?
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He put all the blame on himself. I'm sure there are some riders out there who would be happy to blame the equiment, even if they did feel it was their fault. (And no, I'm not trying to point fingers at any particular rider.)

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