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Any of you guys play Freewill from Rush? I started messing around with it last night. If you have a link to good tabs for the entire song, please post it. Thanks.
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I brought my tabs here to work, but I have no clue on how to post them. My scanner is broke, so thats out. What else can I do? Anyone have a fax machine and a scanner that would be willing to post them?
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11/15/2008 5:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:13pm
jtomasik wrote:
Any of you guys play Freewill from Rush? I started messing around with it last night. If you have a link to good tabs for the...
Any of you guys play Freewill from Rush? I started messing around with it last night. If you have a link to good tabs for the entire song, please post it. Thanks.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/...ush/freewill_tab.htm


Don't know how accurate it is but here ya go.

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jtomasik wrote:
Any of you guys play Freewill from Rush? I started messing around with it last night. If you have a link to good tabs for the...
Any of you guys play Freewill from Rush? I started messing around with it last night. If you have a link to good tabs for the entire song, please post it. Thanks.
Q247 wrote:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/...ush/freewill_tab.htm


Don't know how accurate it is but here ya go.
Thanks, bud. I'm muddling through it now. I hope to have this song dialed within a week or two. The full solo might take me a bit longer, though.
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11/15/2008 8:30pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2008 8:30pm
jtomasik wrote:
Thanks, bud. I'm muddling through it now. I hope to have this song dialed within a week or two. The full solo might take me a...
Thanks, bud. I'm muddling through it now. I hope to have this song dialed within a week or two. The full solo might take me a bit longer, though.
Here are a ton of backing tracks from various bands.

http://www.guitarbt.com/index.php?page=dl_list
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11/16/2008 1:46am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:13pm
http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/

There's a bunch here too. Some are very good, but some a horrible.
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kdx man wrote:
[img]http://korsmo-tech.com/Circle%20of%20Fifths%20wheel.gif[/img]
Ok, so, I've heard of it, but, I'm not sure what its importance is to music. I understand they're the 1-3-5 notes of each scale. Wanna clue me in to what I'm missing?

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11/16/2008 9:35am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:13pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/...iki/Circle_of_fifths


http://en.wikipedia.org/..._fifths_deluxe_4.svg


In music theory, the circle of fifths (or circle of fourths) shows the relationships among the twelve tones of the chromatic scale, their corresponding key signatures, and the associated major and minor keys. More generally, it is a geometrical representation of relationships among the 12 pitch classes of the chromatic scale in pitch class space. Musicians and composers use the circle of fifths to understand and describe those relationships.


At the top of the circle, the key of C has no sharps or flats. Starting from there and going clockwise by ascending fifths, the key of G has one sharp, the key of D has 2 sharps, and so on. Similarly, going counterclockwise from the top by descending fifths, the key of F has one flat, the key of B♭ has 2 flats, and so on. At the bottom of the circle, the sharp and flat keys overlap, showing pairs of enharmonic key signatures.


Starting at any pitch, ascending by the interval of an equal tempered perfect fifth, one passes all twelve tones, to return to the beginning pitch. (Ascending by justly tuned perfect fifths fails to close the circle by a small amount, the Pythagorean comma.) Reversing the direction, playing tones separated by a perfect fourth, gives the same result. (To the ear, the sequence of fourths gives an impression of settling, or resolution. (see cadence))

Basically it's just a way of remembering key signatures and relative minor scales. The 1, 3, 5, notes of each scale is called a triad and is the basic notes for any particular chord. The circle of fifths isn't particularly important but it is something that's good to know just because (IMO, of course). A trained musician will have memorized key signatures and all that anyway but I guess the diagram is a good visual aid to help memorization.
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Any suggestions on shortcuts to memorize the scales on the fretboard, short of memorizing each fret? Or, do I need to just nut up and memorize the fretboard?
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Hey, if anyone has any guitar tabs from the first 4 King Crimson albums ... 1. In the Court of the Crimson King 2. In the...
Hey, if anyone has any guitar tabs from the first 4 King Crimson albums ...

1. In the Court of the Crimson King

2. In the Wake of Poseidon

3. Cirkus

4. Islands

post 'em up please.

I've seen what little there is now but maybe one of you grabbed some stuff back a few years ago? Fripp was / is an amazing accoustic player. Very original lines and chords.

Not the specific tabs, but from crimson king, epitaph's chord progression goes E D B C, probably the greatest song of all time to solo to... and for 21st century schizoid man, www.ultimate-guitar.com most likely has it. Nice choice with King Crimson, my band is named after Epitaph.
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One exercise you can do on a regular basis is when you tune your guitar ... find as many other positions of the same note on the various strings and compare them pitch-wise with each other.

i.e. Compare open E 6th string ... to 7th fret E on the 5th string .... to 9th fret E on the 3rd string ... to open E on 1st string. Do the same with other notes. If you check your tuning every time you play, eventually you will start remembering where certain notes are located on the fingerboard. And your guitar should be in good tune.

And if you know where E is anywhere on the guitar, then you know D is always only 2 frets lower and F is one fret higher, etc, etc.
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11/16/2008 1:01pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:13pm
davis224 wrote:
Not the specific tabs, but from crimson king, epitaph's chord progression goes E D B C, probably the greatest song of all time to solo to...
Not the specific tabs, but from crimson king, epitaph's chord progression goes E D B C, probably the greatest song of all time to solo to... and for 21st century schizoid man, www.ultimate-guitar.com most likely has it. Nice choice with King Crimson, my band is named after Epitaph.
For the main chord line you probably meant:

E min - D Major (I add the F# in the bass/6th string) - A minor - B Major ( with a 6-5 suspension, G on top down to an F# )

Although I've seen the D Major chord tabbed as an F# minor variant -

x ( 1st string muted )
0
2
0
2
2

While it does have a certain Frippian sound to it I still prefer a D chord with the F# on the bottom. Has a certain power and majesty to it.

I just need to sit down and spend a little time on these ... but there's always those little hidden things that are hard to determine without having the music.

I've stayed off of the tab sites since a nasty virus from tabcrawler almost nuked my drive.

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I don't get too musical when I describe things... I'm all self taught so all I really know is the main note, wether it's E minor or whatever, all I know is E and if the combination of notes I put together happens to be an E minor, then so be it. I just play, lol.
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11/16/2008 3:00pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2008 3:01pm
The kid did his recital today (piano). Dropped a rockin bomb on the audience. The boy got skills. He's 13, and he said his goal is to be up to Keith Emerson ability when he was 19. Gotta drop coin on a new keyboard for him. His Roland died, and the cost to repair isn't worth it, so he's stuck playing on his small Yamaha.

I really posted this to keep this thread alive. Good info above, guys. Much appreciated. Keep contributing.
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11/16/2008 5:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:13pm
jtomasik wrote:
Any suggestions on shortcuts to memorize the scales on the fretboard, short of memorizing each fret? Or, do I need to just nut up and memorize...
Any suggestions on shortcuts to memorize the scales on the fretboard, short of memorizing each fret? Or, do I need to just nut up and memorize the fretboard?
This (these) video really helped me to understand the modes back in the day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-DbaaI4wc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdfmtN-67JU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqyjBhmsarc


Once you memorize one type of mode all over the fretboard you can easily transpose it to any key and/or mode.
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jtomasik wrote:
Any suggestions on shortcuts to memorize the scales on the fretboard, short of memorizing each fret? Or, do I need to just nut up and memorize...
Any suggestions on shortcuts to memorize the scales on the fretboard, short of memorizing each fret? Or, do I need to just nut up and memorize the fretboard?
Learn them all in the key of C first. Get it down so you can do it with your eyes closed.

Then when you switch keys, just slide your hand up or down the fretboard until you hit the root note, then the memorized locations you have from the C scale will work in any other scale.

That is a very easy way to learn most things on a guitar. Something that makes it easier to play than a piano, because everything is just a slide up or down the fretboard. The location of the scale hand positions stays the same.


Honestly, unless I am deep into some sort of jazz or classical playing, the circle of fifths and sclaes never even enters my mind. I've touched on it a few times with a couple of students that really wanted to get into theory, but the majority of them just wanna play and learn their way around the guitar. It is nice to see some kids that still want to know WHY certain things sound good on a gutiar and in music, instead of just knowing that is sounds good for no reason.

A great thing to learn all this from is old old jazz records. The early stuff for jump and swing jazz guitar like Tiny Grimes is great because the stuff is pretty simple to play, but it is rooted in theory, and it sounds fantastic. Learn the songs, then learn the structure of the chords, and you will begin to see how things were put together.
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Thanks for the info Q and kdx. Good stuff. I have been playing forever and suck, can you say "Don't quit your day job". I still enjoy it for myself.
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Funny. These are special metal strings.
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11/18/2008 1:40am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
Spent about 20 minutes with Freewill, and got it dialed to "A planet of playthings, we dance on a string". Tried the tabs, and my first attempt didn't sound correct; gotta spend some time with it. I found a vid on youtube where the guy looks like he's playing something around an open E.

Damn...love that song. One of the tunes which hits me so hard that it gives me the chills. When I get it completely dialed, this one's gonna ring my ears...the amp's going up to 11.




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I never did learn any of the scales or theory to really learn to play. Been playing for about 28 years now and I'm no better than I was 27 years ago. I just learned the very basics, never learned lead, only play 80's metal crunchy bar chord rhythm stuff. Now that I can't do much else because of my back and neck trouble (get my track day in once a month, don't fish much any more), I'm starting to play a bit more again. Bought my Jackson RR3 to play around with since the Les Paul is too heavy and bothers my neck, set up the amp and hung the guitars on the wall in my gameroom, and I've been running through my 25 or so favorite songs that I made a "set list" of just about every day. I'd like to start learning more about scales so I can start learning some solos and stuff. Any online aids that are an easy way to start?
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Oh...and recently I posted about how I was having problems with my hand resting on the Floyd Rose bridge and knocking things out of tune on the new Jackson...Having played the Les Paul for so long, my hand became molded to the bridge. After a couple weeks on the Jackson I've broken that habit and have noticed MAJOR improvements in my picking technique since I've "freed" my hand from the bridge! And the neck on the Jackson is pretty sweet - it just BEGS you to rip out a solo, but unfortunately I can't oblige right now.
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11/18/2008 2:31pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2008 2:31pm
I'm thinking of going to take private lessons for a few months. That'd get me to learn theory, because it's obvious I need adult supervision.
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Lessons are great. Make sure it is someone who you can relate to. I went through a bunch of instructors trying to find someone that I could learn from.
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I took lessons from someone who took things in a completely different direction than I wanted to go. I understood that if I did it his way eventually it would translate to results, but if the lessons don't hold your interest then it's irrelevant. While it takes practice and work, it should be fun as well.
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My first instructor was teaching me jazz comping. I was in grade school. I wanted to learn the Stones and Beatles. I know what you mean, my last round of lessons, I found a guy that I could learn from after about 4 different instructors. I would come in with questions and he would help me figure things out. He also would then give me relevant things to work on.
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I took lessons from someone who took things in a completely different direction than I wanted to go. I understood that if I did it his...
I took lessons from someone who took things in a completely different direction than I wanted to go. I understood that if I did it his way eventually it would translate to results, but if the lessons don't hold your interest then it's irrelevant. While it takes practice and work, it should be fun as well.
I'd bet ya a lot of weed would keep my attention.
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One other song that stands up the hairs on the back of my neck is Mach 1 from Ronnie Montrose. He had a release called "Speed of Sound", and there was an instrumental at the beginning of that thing that rocked.

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