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nomad15 7/22/2008 9:20pm
7/22/2008 9:20pm
jtomasik wrote:
Haven't raced since '95. But, whether or not we race is irrelevant.
It is irrelevant only if you don't race.
otherwise,number of races, what day the race is on,
the general racing format is highly relevant.
BTW, Who do you think has been running the nationals.
NPG=MXSPORTS.
different name,same people.
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NateCrisman 7/22/2008 9:21pm
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I totally agree with the telemetry and helmet cam on every rider. I consider myself a "hardcore" fan and sometimes I can get bored watching it on TV and stop paying attention.
el moto diablo 7/22/2008 9:33pm
7/22/2008 9:33pm
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be put on the casual and non fan. That is the only way to grow the sport, the goal needs to move away from selling bikes and getting people to start racing and move towards entertaining the masses with great racing. You may cringe at the word "entertain" but thats what it will take to get people in the bleachers and get them to spend their money. The "core" market is tapped and is essentially always gonna be there, its time to move on to the untapped market. You don't see the majority of NASCAR fans buying late models and racing on Saturday nights but they do dump hundreds and sometimes thousands on souvenirs at the track. There is allot of potential out there but some feelings and egos are going to have get hurt in order to capitalize on it.
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Shenzi 7/22/2008 10:55pm
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el moto diablo wrote:
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be...
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be put on the casual and non fan. That is the only way to grow the sport, the goal needs to move away from selling bikes and getting people to start racing and move towards entertaining the masses with great racing. You may cringe at the word "entertain" but thats what it will take to get people in the bleachers and get them to spend their money. The "core" market is tapped and is essentially always gonna be there, its time to move on to the untapped market. You don't see the majority of NASCAR fans buying late models and racing on Saturday nights but they do dump hundreds and sometimes thousands on souvenirs at the track. There is allot of potential out there but some feelings and egos are going to have get hurt in order to capitalize on it.
Awesome post! Actually all of yours in this thread have been on target.

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Shenzi 7/22/2008 11:01pm
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My events are still moto finishes and 2nd moto breaks a tie, originally back in the 60's when my dad started running motocross races at Carlsbad...
My events are still moto finishes and 2nd moto breaks a tie, originally back in the 60's when my dad started running motocross races at Carlsbad Raceway, here in the US they had hare-scrambles and tt's stuff like that, my dad spent 6 years in europe racing motocross, he wanted the same here in the US.

2 motos, lowest score (1st & 1st = 2) won and so on, points were given for the over all, pro purse back in the day was per moto also, so if pros did crappy one moto they'd still make money. Amateurs got their trophy for their overall for the day. And they raced on Sunday, supercross saturday MX sunday. two motos not one, if they want to make it friendly for spectators then teach them what MX is why change the sport so much that it's not even what it is anymore ?? let's make a new sport, I mean you all laughed at fmx but they seem to surpass us in exposure and money, I mean TP left us for them what does that tell you ?? People just need to be educated on what OUR sport is.

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"if they want to make it friendly for spectators then teach them what MX is why change the sport so much that it's not even what it is anymore ??"

But don't you think that this has been tried already? Since your dad's time, educating about our sport must have been one of the priorities. And it hasn't work since we are in a situation where change is needed in order to keep it going before it goes away.

How much more educating would be needed, what size budget would be enough to reach that. Unfortunately we seem to be more in times when "adaption" would work better than "conservatism". As much a lover of the sport and a fan of Old School MX, I want to see the sport grow and I want to see rider making a living out of it. I am resigned to move on and accept necessary changes.
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el moto diablo wrote:
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be...
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be put on the casual and non fan. That is the only way to grow the sport, the goal needs to move away from selling bikes and getting people to start racing and move towards entertaining the masses with great racing. You may cringe at the word "entertain" but thats what it will take to get people in the bleachers and get them to spend their money. The "core" market is tapped and is essentially always gonna be there, its time to move on to the untapped market. You don't see the majority of NASCAR fans buying late models and racing on Saturday nights but they do dump hundreds and sometimes thousands on souvenirs at the track. There is allot of potential out there but some feelings and egos are going to have get hurt in order to capitalize on it.
Great post, but why do feelings and egos have to be hurt? What exactly are you talking about?
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FGR01 7/23/2008 12:07am
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mainstream = jump the shark = WWE = sellout

The only people who want to "grow" the sport are those who wish to earn their living from it. Either that or they seek acceptance and validation from their non-moto coworkers and friends. It's a drive to prove that our sport is legitimate and just as good as the other sports. Guess what people, it will never happen. Most non-moto people do not even regard MX as a sport, much less a legitimate one.

MX is a niche sport. Always has been, always will be. It does not bother me one bit if it stays that way. Tell me how it benefits me to have more wannabee-bought-fox-gear-at-the-mall-goons clogging up riding areas and making my day longer at the track?

Not being a rider or racer irrellevant? Oh boy...

el moto diablo 7/23/2008 1:27am
7/23/2008 1:27am
el moto diablo wrote:
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be...
People need to realize that 95% of the people on these boards are going to follow the racing no matter what so more effort should be put on the casual and non fan. That is the only way to grow the sport, the goal needs to move away from selling bikes and getting people to start racing and move towards entertaining the masses with great racing. You may cringe at the word "entertain" but thats what it will take to get people in the bleachers and get them to spend their money. The "core" market is tapped and is essentially always gonna be there, its time to move on to the untapped market. You don't see the majority of NASCAR fans buying late models and racing on Saturday nights but they do dump hundreds and sometimes thousands on souvenirs at the track. There is allot of potential out there but some feelings and egos are going to have get hurt in order to capitalize on it.
Pdub wrote:
Great post, but why do feelings and egos have to be hurt? What exactly are you talking about?
I'm talking about the fact that someone may be left out in the long run. Lets say that John Doe and his family have been running Sunnyside MX for 30 years and running nationals every summer but Sunnyside is in the middle of nowhere miles for the interstate and even further from the nearest airport. Sunnyside may have to lose their national for somwhere closer to a major city. Any time there is a major change someone gets left out in the cold. NASCAR left places like Rockingham and North Wilkesboro for places like Las Vegas and Texas.

I don't know about WWE but I would like to see privateers making a decent living off of purse money or at least enough to get from race to race. I wonder how many of those who like the sport the way it is now are making a living as a privateer? I would be cool to see more outside sponsorship in the form of contigencies and support programs.
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NetMXer 7/23/2008 2:53am
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While I'd love to be able to see the races live on TV, maybe a first step would be to get live radio coverage. The internet broadcast is great but the only people that listen to that are the people that know it's there and can manipulate the maze of links to tune in. If they teamed up with MRN or a similar company to broadcast live across the country, they may get new fans interested in the current format before manipulating it so that it can fit in a TV program. Once a new fan base is built up via radio, they will want to see what they've been listening to live on TV.
el moto diablo 7/23/2008 3:28am
7/23/2008 3:28am
I thought they were live on XM?
zookrider62 7/23/2008 5:11am
7/23/2008 5:11am
Cygnus wrote:
Idiot!!!
zookrider62 wrote:
Why?
Cygnus wrote:
It should have read Racist !!!
LOL thats cute. I would have said the same thing if it were poor looking white people popping wheelies on full blown race bikes down city streets.
zookrider62 7/23/2008 5:15am
7/23/2008 5:15am
jtomasik wrote:
Trip, fans can contribute more than just buying a bike and riding. Heck, if Stew becomes a "superstar", Nike might sign him and sponsor MX. That...
Trip, fans can contribute more than just buying a bike and riding. Heck, if Stew becomes a "superstar", Nike might sign him and sponsor MX. That money adds strength to the sport.

Yeah, some percentage might actually buy bikes and start riding. Obviously that will help, too.

There are many ways that live TV can help MX.
zookrider62 wrote:
Not if a black man is winning!
jmar wrote:
Bullshit.
You're comment is way off base.
Sorry, forgot to insert (sarcasm). I was basing that comment off what trip was saying.
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motogrady 7/23/2008 5:18am
7/23/2008 5:18am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:44pm

By far the most sought after indycar clip of the week. Does mainstream want to see
the perfect scrub? Or 4 wheel drift? Nope. This is what they want.



http://video.msn.com/...playlist=&editor=MSN
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jtomasik 7/23/2008 5:23am
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jtomasik wrote:
Haven't raced since '95. But, whether or not we race is irrelevant.
nomad15 wrote:
It is irrelevant only if you don't race. otherwise,number of races, what day the race is on, the general racing format is highly relevant. BTW, Who...
It is irrelevant only if you don't race.
otherwise,number of races, what day the race is on,
the general racing format is highly relevant.
BTW, Who do you think has been running the nationals.
NPG=MXSPORTS.
different name,same people.
Not if the rules apply to only the pros. There are different rules and formats between the pros and the multitude of amateur organizations out there.

The correct question should've been: "How many of you race the Nationals circuit?" My guess is only a very few here could be included in that group, and that Davey Coombs is more in touch with the logistics than any poster here racing local races.
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jtomasik wrote:
Haven't raced since '95. But, whether or not we race is irrelevant.
nomad15 wrote:
It is irrelevant only if you don't race. otherwise,number of races, what day the race is on, the general racing format is highly relevant. BTW, Who...
It is irrelevant only if you don't race.
otherwise,number of races, what day the race is on,
the general racing format is highly relevant.
BTW, Who do you think has been running the nationals.
NPG=MXSPORTS.
different name,same people.
jtomasik wrote:
Not if the rules apply to only the pros. There are different rules and formats between the pros and the multitude of amateur organizations out there...
Not if the rules apply to only the pros. There are different rules and formats between the pros and the multitude of amateur organizations out there.

The correct question should've been: "How many of you race the Nationals circuit?" My guess is only a very few here could be included in that group, and that Davey Coombs is more in touch with the logistics than any poster here racing local races.
also the amatuers PAY to race for a $6 trophy, with zero expectations of exposure.....the pros want to get paid to race and expect tons of exposure via tv, radio, newspapers and magazines.

amatuer and pro in no way can compare as a business model!
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Starter Bob 7/23/2008 5:37am
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I don't agree that NPG = MX Sports. NPG is an organization of race track owners/promoters. MX Sports is Davey Coombs. Ther is no doubt that Davey will listen to the same owners/promoters, but there is a better chance now that changes will be made to locations, tracks, and facilities.
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Starter Bob 7/23/2008 5:43am
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Zookrider62 - I'm concerned about your comments that include the race card. I really don't feel that race has anything to do with MX.

I have met James Sr. while helping him to park an RV. He is friendly and likes to make jokes about his lack of abilities. My wife has talked to James Jr. in the tunnel at a SX. He was friendly and signed her track worker shirt. I believe that they are a great asset to motorcycle racing.
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mxgeoff 7/23/2008 5:47am
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jtomasik wrote:
I like what I hear from the guy, especially how he's trying to help MX, our grass-roots sport, and the riders. His thoughts on the importance...
I like what I hear from the guy, especially how he's trying to help MX, our grass-roots sport, and the riders. His thoughts on the importance of public exposure, rider needs, and all around business is great. It's good to have an MX fan in charge. I can't wait to see how '09 starts to shape up.
If it (AMA series) goes one moto then that will make the MXoN more interesting. The euro's should be fitter in those second motos.

Geoff

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zookrider62 7/23/2008 5:55am
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Starter Bob wrote:
Zookrider62 - I'm concerned about your comments that include the race card. I really don't feel that race has anything to do with MX. I have...
Zookrider62 - I'm concerned about your comments that include the race card. I really don't feel that race has anything to do with MX.

I have met James Sr. while helping him to park an RV. He is friendly and likes to make jokes about his lack of abilities. My wife has talked to James Jr. in the tunnel at a SX. He was friendly and signed her track worker shirt. I believe that they are a great asset to motorcycle racing.
Alright I will explain myself again. The Baltimore video, you cant possibly think none of those bikes are stolen, can you? Full blown race bikes with custom back grounds and numbers, just to pop wheelies down the street, come on... again if it was some hicks Id say the exact same thing. I just cant imagine people dropping that much to get somewhat custom bikes, just to run from the cops.

Where I said MX cant grow with a black man winning, I was mocking Trip for something he said back in the 2nd page, about people watcing MX on TV wont get into it because they are the nascar crowd and wont get behind a black racer. Sorry you didnt catch onto my sarcasm.

And as I stated earlier, I think Stewart is a good thing, and I am positive he has sold more fox casual clothes then all of their riders combined. More money for MX is never a bad thing.
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motogrady 7/23/2008 6:03am
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Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all 20's, folded in nice little squares of 100's Laughing
zookrider62 7/23/2008 6:09am
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motogrady wrote:
Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all...
Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all 20's, folded in nice little squares of 100's Laughing
RACIST
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I just wanted to get up in this thread and kiss me some DC ass....

Hall Fame material right there!

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jtomasik wrote:
I like what I hear from the guy, especially how he's trying to help MX, our grass-roots sport, and the riders. His thoughts on the importance...
I like what I hear from the guy, especially how he's trying to help MX, our grass-roots sport, and the riders. His thoughts on the importance of public exposure, rider needs, and all around business is great. It's good to have an MX fan in charge. I can't wait to see how '09 starts to shape up.
mxgeoff wrote:
If it (AMA series) goes one moto then that will make the MXoN more interesting. The euro's should be fitter in those second motos.

Geoff
yeah, maybe USA will only lap up to France in the 2nd motos. Wink
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motogrady 7/23/2008 6:54am
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Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all...
Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all 20's, folded in nice little squares of 100's Laughing
zookrider62 wrote:
RACIST

Not hardly. 1 white guy, 1 black guy, apparently both were drug dealers.

Your prejudice is showing.
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KTM boy 137 7/23/2008 7:00am
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1 moto format?
I'll sell my bike and get out of the sport entirely if that shit goes down!
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KTM boy 137 wrote:
1 moto format?
I'll sell my bike and get out of the sport entirely if that shit goes down!
I've got some for sale signs I could drop off tonight, one motohead just helping another out.
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el moto diablo wrote:
I thought they were live on XM?
Only the SX races in PST are live. The rest of the SX races are on at 11pm EST. None of the Nationals are broadcast on XM.
zookrider62 7/23/2008 8:05am
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motogrady wrote:
Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all...
Growing up in Bmore I can say not all dirtbikes in the city are stolen. Sold 2 to some inner city guys. They paid cash, all 20's, folded in nice little squares of 100's Laughing
zookrider62 wrote:
RACIST
motogrady wrote:

Not hardly. 1 white guy, 1 black guy, apparently both were drug dealers.

Your prejudice is showing.
LOL my sarcasm just isnt working is it?
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Shenzi 7/23/2008 8:35am
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mxgeoff wrote:
If it (AMA series) goes one moto then that will make the MXoN more interesting. The euro's should be fitter in those second motos.

Geoff
Not going "1 Moto" Geoffrey. Smile

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