The AMA is at it again, 130+ B Riders bumped to A

I have the answer! Just don't race, go ride practice days and get more laps for less money. This way everyone wins. The AMA doesn't get support from racers and you get more riding time thus most likely making you a better rider. Thats what I do, I ride my bike. I do race occasionally, but it sucks to spend a whole day at a track and only ride a few laps.

Rocrac knows this is what Podium 1 in Indiana does. They have a good track and usually good turn-outs without the AMA sanctioning most of their events. They don't even participate in D15 and still have good support; well its no wonder they don't support D15 but thats another story.

As you know it is happening in the "C" class also.
Because of my 13 yr old sons size he will be racing the B class this year against some of these guys ....and guess what he's excited!!!
If these guys think they have an easy year in the B class they are gonna have a rude awakening.... " title="Laughing">

[quote="teggers":ni63tdc8][quote="Twizzler":ni63tdc8]Ha, doesn't surprise me one bit if this is true. The worthless AMA is spineless when it comes to the OEM's and various powerful teams. I think this may have just sealed the deal for me. I most likely will not be renewing my AMA membership this year (I almost didn't last year), nor will I race any AMA affiliated races. The ruling doesn't affect me personally, [b:ni63tdc8]unless Cozadd is allowed to stay in 30=B/C,[/b:ni63tdc8] but I choose not to support or fund a group who cannot properly manage it's own rulebook or structure.[/quote:ni63tdc8]

Kevin did NOT qualify last Sunday in +30 B/C. He went in +25 and +35 (I think).[/quote:ni63tdc8]

Good for him if so.

Hey Mikey, I'm up for a good story while the ice storm is going on....why doesn't Podium 1 run AMA or D15 events. I do see where they schedule an area qualifier whenever they can.

[quote="YZmom":1a7leuds]I'm wanting to know what kind of present he got, what color the wrapping was, and if it had a bow!! " title="Laughing">[/quote:1a7leuds]
Why yes, as a matter of fact, it did have a bow.

It was a size 11 Asics shoe, brown and tan, and well-aimed. " title="Smile">

[quote="wardy":1rybxv29][quote:1rybxv29]This will also kill out local racing even more. No one will be racing locally to ensure they don't accumulate any points.[/quote:1rybxv29]

thats the 300,000 dollar, motorhome version.
No one will be racing locally? come on does any think for a minute that riders ONLY care about being pro? for everyone of those guys there are 15-50 content to race locally and enjoy what they do.......AMA needs to remember that, this system has been tweaked to the catering of this national system so much they dont see the forest because of the trees. The system will be fine, if riders choose to "stay away from local races" (avoid advancement) that will only work for a remote few, since local races give them the platform and knowledge to be able to compete at the level they do once they get there.

you know whats really funny, is if a local race pays a good purse, these so called poor riders who can't find a ride will show up and make some cash. It happens every day, and lets face it, riders getting to the ranks as beginner pros, it isn't supposed to be easy.

"local racing" is being undermined by this type of thinking and it's gotten worse the last 5 years.[/quote:1rybxv29]

Agree, 100%, wardy. Local racing is altogether different, for one, locally there usually isn't enough riders, 5??, to award advancement points (I hope that is still the rule). And you're corect, lots of money to be made in the A class for local guys, if that is the goal.

District 11 (Ohio) has always advanced agressively. This is nothing new for us.

35s mum if your kid is just 13 and hes a big boy he still doesn't have to race the B class he can race the schoolboy class until he gets his feet wet. No reason for a little guy age wise to get hammered at an early age. Hes not forced to be in the B class, that would be a decision or choice made by you fine folks. He can even move to the 14-16 class too because if you've moved into the world of big bikes you don't need to worry about the 85s and Supermini age classes anymore. When you make the move to B, stay local and get it figured out. No one says you have to race B.

If a rider is good enough, he or she won't complain. If you suck, you complain about the rules, sandbaggers, and any other g-man esque protests. Step up your speed, and stop bitchin!

[quote="REFEREE":t5p1vtn2]Hey Mikey, I'm up for a good story while the ice storm is going on....why doesn't Podium 1 run AMA or D15 events. I do see where they schedule an area qualifier whenever they can.[/quote:t5p1vtn2]
You can't handle the truth

[quote="First Turn 772":2v9jgj03]35s mum if your kid is just 13 and hes a big boy he still doesn't have to race the B class he can race the schoolboy class until he gets his feet wet. No reason for a little guy age wise to get hammered at an early age. Hes not forced to be in the B class, that would be a decision or choice made by you fine folks. He can even move to the 14-16 class too because if you've moved into the world of big bikes you don't need to worry about the 85s and Supermini age classes anymore. When you make the move to B, stay local and get it figured out. No one says you have to race B.[/quote:2v9jgj03]


haha....that "lil" guy is 5' 8" and 142 lbs, he's not gonna get hammered. He has raced since he was 4 yrs old and holds 2 national championships. he has been riding a 125 since last year...its his decision. He is also racing both 12-16 and 14-16 schoolboy. But thanks he's racing his first "b" race at Whitney next week.

YOu know guys it's simple, we bitched like hell (organized districts) for 10 years? Mainly because all a rider had to do was change his name one letter, get a po box, or run races in a nieghboring district to avoid advancement. Introduce contingency, these tracks who usually did well were from "orgainized" districts since that is where the numbers were. (contingency races seemed to be in those places).
When those riders came to those races, they were then scrutinized by those district rules. Enter the problem, most disticts advancement were not done the same. Our goal was for AMA to enforce an advancement system across the board for all districts to do it correctly, this was ALL WE ASKED FOR. TWO count them 2 ama staff people ago decided "oh no" we can't just do it that way, we have to take it over and do it in house. At that same time they decided to try to re-invent the wheel with scoring software and updateing in house processes also.

Our or at least my desire was for all districts to use this system, and for AMA to handle the NON organized areas, hence not putting the full burden on the AMA. Well here we are, the people who built the process are gone, until last year sometime most at staff didn't even know what was promised to us in the past.....mainly a list to advance to the districts BEFORE it was public. This to make sure there were no errors and or needed additions or subtractions to that list.

Ask the folks over in Iowa what happened to thier advancement process when a rider complained to AmA, needless to say they had the right numbers, and he still was allowed to race B. This was wrong.

We decided here to allow ama to do what they need to do and make a list then use that for advancement. we have posted up C-B, but not b-a yet and we asked again today for that list since it seems there is a list out there.....(postboard rumor)

Here is the problem, we realize that AMA does not want a pissin match with these "big amatuer teams", which puts them in a bad light with mx sports. We also realize that we made the 15 age limit 16, and I asked for this to include 2007 but we just couldn't do it that way. The problem is simple, if they don't move the people who are to be moved then what rules do any of us have to follow in the book? The people who do this work are handling a mess which was made by the prior inhabitants of that office and no matter what have to do the dirty deed. They are finding out what guys like dave arva and myself and a few others who have done this a long time is that job sucks.

But what sucks more is if just because someone belongs to a "team", follows the national amateur events, etc etc. gets a pass, or worse yet if the whole process is "held up" for those reasons, what the hell does that say about AMA's ability to perform in the future? It's easy to sit and bitch that AMA sucks, and there is always people who will hate AMA, hell I get so dam pissed about it myself, but at least we are to this point? At least it's moving forward and there will be hiccups but damit where would we be if it just stayed the way it was?

Our district lost a shit load of oppurtunity racing at LL simply because we had a system that work, riders moved, rode in other states for years so to avoid the system...... We had to have a system because of the amount of riders who race here.

i would bet that if a rider has the point average from last year, no one has the "crown" that says "nope we are not advancing you", it has to be done, and it has to be by appeal to not be done. Anything else and you will see more then just a few parents complaining. The rule book has to be followed.............or it will be a problem.

Like i said before, AMA amatuer racing is not "only LL" in fact that is a very small part of AMA Amatuer racing no matter what many may think. While on the topic, rules have to be for all and all the time................always have i had problems with the "national supplemental rules" but thats another 5 pages, but at least today those "supps" are not making the rules "less".

Just checked out the Podium 1 website and noticed they are offering a "D" class??? Will the "D" experts race during the AMA qualifier in April? Kinda funny this thread was about rider advancement and then we introduce a "D" class to the mix....


ALL D Class Riders:
4 wins or 5 second place finishes or any combination of the two and you get advanced. If you're fast enough to win the D Class, then you need to start the series in the C Class. If a rider has previously won a championship (any series any class) that rider cannot ride a D class. When you get advanced, you don't take your points with you. The D Class is a beginner class and a chance to try racing to see if you like it. It isn't a place to plan on winning a Gold Series championship.

Youth D Class Riders:
You can race a 2nd class, but if you place in the "TOP 30%" you will be out of the D Class. This Youth Rule is based on 10 rider minimum class.

[quote="wardy":39ecsaep]...all a rider had to do was change his name one letter, get a po box, or run races in a nieghboring district to avoid advancement. [/quote:39ecsaep]


yup, people tried that... didn't work, D11 ain't that dumb.


[quote="wardy":39ecsaep] We decided here to allow ama to do what they need to do and make a list then use that for advancement. we have posted up C-B, but not b-a yet and we asked again today for that list since it seems there is a list out there.....(postboard rumor) [/quote:39ecsaep]

Post it " title="Laughing">



[quote="wardy":39ecsaep]
Here is the problem, we realize that AMA does not want a pissin match with these "big amatuer teams", which puts them in a bad light with mx sports. We also realize that we made the 15 age limit 16, and I asked for this to include 2007 but we just couldn't do it that way. The problem is simple, if they don't move the people who are to be moved then what rules do any of us have to follow in the book? The people who do this work are handling a mess which was made by the prior inhabitants of that office and no matter what have to do the dirty deed. They are finding out what guys like dave arva and myself and a few others who have done this a long time is that job sucks.

But what sucks more is if just because someone belongs to a "team", follows the national amateur events, etc etc. gets a pass, or worse yet if the whole process is "held up" for those reasons, what the hell does that say about AMA's ability to perform in the future? It's easy to sit and bitch that AMA sucks, and there is always people who will hate AMA, hell I get so dam pissed about it myself, but at least we are to this point? At least it's moving forward and there will be hiccups but damit where would we be if it just stayed the way it was? [/quote:39ecsaep]

I'm messing with you. I agree completely with everything that you are saying, wardy. The AMA has little credibility, as is, if they bend on advancement they're done.

Just saw this at the D6 site.... posted by Frank Letteri's dad...

"JUST GOT A E.MAIL FROM RYAN HOLIDAY ...THERE WILL BE NO B TO A ADVANCMENT THIS YEAR '' PRESS RELEASE TO FOLLOW"

[quote="Motorbike":3bmueamg]Just saw this at the D6 site.... posted by Frank Letteri's dad...

"JUST GOT A E.MAIL FROM RYAN HOLIDAY ...THERE WILL BE NO B TO A ADVANCMENT THIS YEAR '' PRESS RELEASE TO FOLLOW"[/quote:3bmueamg]


*sigh*

The issue isn't the "D class" at Podium 1, its the way they run their facility. Of course D class riders won't be racing a qualifier; they can barely jump a single! haha Either that or their such a goon they want to do well in a class that sucks. Or they are simply the people that the class was designed for; the ones who enjoy riding and want to learn and get better.

[quote="REFEREE"]Hey Mikey, I'm up for a good story while the ice storm is going on....why doesn't Podium 1 run AMA or D15 events. I do see where they schedule an area qualifier whenever they can.[/quote) Why would they want to contribute to such a feeble district....wait before you answer go look at rider turnouts at your events even worse your state races. Nice work promoting the AMA and MX.

Kinda getting off the topic, but I agree with rocrac and I think Referee needs to understand this.

Exactly rocrac. The only tracks my friends and I race at in Indiana nowadays are Podium 1 and Motoland. I ride or race at Wildcat Creek MX quite a bit just because its 15 minutes away. Its sad but there its not hard to have a private track as good or better than many of the public tracks in Indiana. Me and many other Indiana riders would rather drive 3-5 hours to Michigan (Red Bud, Log Road, Baja, Dutch) or all the way to southern Indiana to Podium 1 to practice or race. Or even go to Illinois (Mt. Carroll, Joliet, South Fork) etc. D15 needs way better management and to put a certain promoter in its place because they consistently have races on poorly maintained tracks which sucks because no one wants to go to this promoters' tracks and they take just enough riders away from other good promoters that no one prospers.

How can I find the C to B list?

Mikey & rocrac,

put a certain promoter in its place because they consistently have races on poorly maintained tracks which sucks because no one wants to go to this promoters' tracks and they take just enough riders away from other good promoters that no one prospers.
[b:17di1k8i]Cannot disagree with that one.....[/b:17di1k8i] " title="Laughing">

I will say the Indiana state races are averaging around 300 riders per event. Considering the state of our sport and economy..
See you at the GOOD tracks in D15

[quote="Motorbike":13v1mf4t]
"JUST GOT A E.MAIL FROM RYAN HOLIDAY ...THERE WILL BE NO B TO A ADVANCMENT THIS YEAR '' PRESS RELEASE TO FOLLOW"[/quote:13v1mf4t]


This an excellent of why the AMA is so successful... they are flexible and customer oriented.

Hello Steph, Please read your PM. Talk to you soon!

[quote:30ox5awk]I will say the Indiana state races are averaging around 300 riders per event. Considering the state of our sport and economy..[/quote:30ox5awk]

Yea and I bet 95% of them from Kokomo and North.

[quote:30ox5awk]
See you at the GOOD tracks in D15[/quote:30ox5awk]

Directions please...

since they are not going to follow the rule book, I guess we will show up with all mod bikes for stock class also

We have the national list posted here....... http://www.amadistrict17.com click the "advancement" link.


[quote:3ajp29gw]Motorbike wrote:
"JUST GOT A E.MAIL FROM RYAN HOLIDAY ...THERE WILL BE NO B TO A ADVANCMENT THIS YEAR '' PRESS RELEASE TO FOLLOW"[/quote:3ajp29gw]

IF this is true, it will be interesting to see "why" and "WHO" decided this one? Since if this can be just "changed" or not adhered to wow I don't know what to say.

[quote="floridaflash":22fo8omz]since they are not going to follow the rule book, I guess we will show up with all mod bikes for stock class also[/quote:22fo8omz]

How stock do you think the "big teams" bikes really are anyways?

but I won't try to hide it. So if some kids have already raced an A class race, he can now go back to B because there is no advancement

The AMA needs to inforce this rule. After all it is on the books, but yet Ryan Holliday has vowed to not inforce it yet again and let riders that need to be moved up stay in B. Ryan is just backing down under the pressure of the factory teams who are anything but happy about this. That is the whole problem with the AMA, they let the factorys tell them what rules they want enforced. The best thing the AMA could do is tell the factorys to go F themselves. Stop letting the factory teams run the AMA. This moving of riders is the best thing to happen. If it is in the rule book, and someone protests a rider that has pointed out, then they have no choice but to enforce the rule, otherwise then none of the rules in the book apply. Go ahead and ride your mod bike in the stock class. If the all the rules don't apply...then none of the rules apply.
I know one FL mom who will sure make it her mission to make sure the rules are applied...Right SS

I spoke to Ryan Holliday yesterday and he informed me that "NO RIDER IS GETTING BUMPED THIS YEAR".

Hey, it doesn't affect me and/or my team, but my view on the situation is; if you get a top 10 in a class at any national then you should be moved up. I think what PJ Larsen and Darren Durham are doing is the right thing. Spend your maturing time in the A class. Don't hang around in the B class year in and year out, because you didn't get top 10 at LL.

There are quite a few kids that come to mind in this situation and I am not going to name names, but it's pretty lame that kids like Bagget, Barcia, Craig, ect... just come off 80's and have to ride against kids that have been on big bikes and in the B class for 2 + years.

Ryan Holliday said the rules will be enforced next year when they make the proper changes. This year they would have to move up way to many kids that race AMA events weekly to the A class and he said the majority are just not ready. So his point to all of this is; he can't single out Baker, Wilson, Pike, ect... until the rules change this offseason.