Villopoto is bad for recreational riding.

[quote="mxfreak":212pwyjb]That's what you think/hope. They don't. Either they'll give the dumb law teeth (i.e. start with fines, and when that doesn't work, get the sheriff in, and when that doesn't work, start suing you) because that'll be easier to enforce, or they come down so hard on you that everyone leaves.

I've seen it over here where people blatantly ignore a law passed in 2003. Now it's got teeth. Do people still ignore it? Yes. But the amount of prosecutions has risen.

Stefan[/quote:212pwyjb]

That might be the case but there are thousands of laws in America that we ignore because they are dumb.

[quote="mxfreak":17ne8ahe]Twizzler, really? We're clueless?

Let's see... 1 OHV per 10 acres of land, a maximum of 4 per piece of land, even if it's over 40 acres. Any more than 4 and you need to apply for conditional use (and that'll be $10K). This applies to all unincorporated land in Riverside County. So far so good. Allowable noise levels: 50, 55, or 75 dBA at the property line, depending on the zoning. NOT so good. That's 20dBA BELOW current AMA standard). Even more restrictive is the requirement to stay more than 100 feet (30 metres) from the property line, and 250 feet (83 metres) away from neighbouring homes.

10 acres = 4 hectares, or a piece of land around 200 x 200 metres. Assuming that you have houses on either side, you have a strip of land of 40 x 40 metres to ride on (with the other 80 metres on all sides lying unused because of the 250 ft restriction) AND you have to keep your bike under the 50 dBA limit at the property line. Rather restrictive, no? Even on a 40 acre piece of land, which makes it 400 x 400 metres, you still get hit by your noise regs. 75 dBA is 20dBA under the current AMA limits, if you are lucky to have that kind of zoning.

And considering that Villopoto Sr refers to fines, it is clear that Villopoto Jr has already breached at least one of the above conditions on the byelaw (ordinance) that restricts OHV use on private land at least once. I'm all for private land use (hell, I'd be (*&(#*!@&# if I was told what I can and cannot do in my own backyard), but when it becomes an issue for the law, I'd stick to the law to set a good example, or try to butter up my neighbours sufficiently for them not to complain about me bending a rule or two.

Stefan[/quote:17ne8ahe]
I said "some" not all.

[quote="rockcrawlerdude":1mlgy8u2]dang what happened to her![/quote:1mlgy8u2]
Obviously she is loving that HGH.

[quote="Rallendude":2m2ga2lw]What's funny is, four rows up on the board the MD regulars praise and offer support for Jlaw for his Coors Lite.

Here, a kid (or his folks rather) stand up and ride in a place that no one should be able to stop them from (their own private property) and now he's the anti-Christ. You guys are falling for the tree huggers' schemes.[/quote:2m2ga2lw] Second A-men. (only got a few left..)

Forget that nonsence. Here are actual laws in Ca that are really important.
Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
A regulation in San Francisco makes it unlawful to use used underwear to wipe off cars in a car wash.

Fuck Riverside county!!!! Good for Ryan, he has never hidden his distaste for So cal anyway.Someone has to stand up to the bullshit laws.

Other than the winter weather, how the fuck do you guys live in that shithole?

... Wait a second, it's illegal in parts of Cali to ride on YOUR OWN private property? I thought this was referring to, y'know, other people's.

I got no problem with folks breaking bullshit laws, and not being able to do more or less what you want on your own property (stuff like raping your neighbors and torturing kids notwithstanding) is definitely bullshit.

RV's house is probably the only house in the city that could still have a SX track in his backyard, so in retrospect it is worth the fine to be able to walk outside, get on your bike and ride some supercross. Plus the next closest sx track is about 30 minutes away, he doesn't ride at his house everyday, and the neighbors don't mind. What would you do?

There are lots of things that riders do that help to get riding areas closed down. RV riding on his own property defying an out of control rule isn't one of them. It's already illegal to ride on your own property (seriously- wtf!), it's not like he's going to make it MORE illegal. Unless he's turning laps on an uncorked 110 in a residential neighborhood, I don't see how it's going to reflect badly on the dirtbiking community.

hypothetically, what if he owned 20,000 acres and set his track right in the middle of it where no one could hear?

He's almost rich enough to buy riverside. Go Ryan!

[quote="mxfreak":2n31tinx]Matt, that's where you're wrong. All you need is one neighbour who doesn't like it anymore and who complains, and inevitably, hyperbole takes hold and suddenly everyone who rides dirtbikes is bad, rotten to the core, not to be trusted etc etc etc. And ambulance-chasing lawyers (you know which kind I mean) love taking such a statement and blowing it up to huge proportions, especially when they are either ignorant about dirtbikes, or don't like them.

And Will, if the neighbours don't mind, how come he's been fined at least once already? Someone in the neighbourhood must be "not fine" with it, or must've told someone who is "not fine" with it, or else no-one would know that he rides on his own property in violation of the ordinance.

Personally I love the idea of pushing your bike out of the garage and going riding in your backyard very cool (I remember Ronron having a very nice track in HIS backyard a few years back), but when I get a fine, I would have to ask myself the question why I am getting one... and who in the neighbourhood is not fine with me riding in my backyard.

wildbill, that is possible. But if no-one hears him, how would he end up with a fine? He would have had to breach one of the requirements in the ordinance, either being less than 100 feet from the boundary or 250 feet from the nearest house, or the sound at the boundary of his tract of land being over the limit set for his specific zoning (either 50, 55 or 75 dBA).

Stefan[/quote:2n31tinx]

Villopoto's track was Roncada's track. RV bought the house, land and track from Ronron.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. I don't think the people that would complain are friends of the MX community to begin with, and not riding on your own property certainly isn't going to suddenly make them embrace our sport either. I look at RV riding on his own property a bit like Rosa Parks looked at keeping a seat on the bus so many years ago. Not the same thing, but hopefully you get the general idea.

Also, take into consideration that I'm going under the assumption that RV has sufficient room to actually ride the bike on a proper track, and that he's not dusting out the neighbors, revving the crap out of his bike at 2AM, or being a drunken jackass.

[quote="Matt Fisher":zvcrz6j6] .... or being a drunken jackass.[/quote:zvcrz6j6]
no thats J-Law... " title="Laughing">

Quite frankly, what the hell has happened to our country????
In my humble opinion, when you purchase a plot of land, you own it, and therefore have the RIGHT to pretty much do whatever the hell you want on it. Lets say for example you buy this 20 acre plot of land decide that you want grass on all of it. You eventually have to mow that grass right? Well your average Briggs and Straton powered push mower makes more than 75db at the property line, specifically when it is mowing at said line. Then of course you need to edge that line, and my gas powered edger is also louder than the 75db limit at that line, of course in the fall when you use your power leaf blower again over the 75db limit. As long as you are not causing possible harm to your neighbors with explosives or a home firing range then it should be up to you as to how you use YOUR property!!!
I have seen photos of RV's tracks (there are 4 on his land) and they are all tits!! Perfectly groomed and watered (which would certainly cut down on the dust). If I lived there I would be on those tracks everyday, and would fight any fines or tickets to the death!!! It is absolutely retarded that when you own property that you can not ride on it. Noise is subjective, several things make unpleasant noise to several people. Like, given the rational used by Saudi California, I should be able to tell the idiot down that the city is fining him for use of that 3000 watt POS stereo in his SUV because he did not opt to have it installed properly and it vibrates every loose item on that truck every 20 minutes ALL DAY. Or how about the other neighbor that thinks it is OK to bring out his BobCat to shovel his driveway (and ONLY his) then follow that up by using an array of snowblowers to get the rest. Or this one, and I know you guys will love this, the middle aged wanna be biker down the street that suits up in leather along with his fat ass wife every sunday that is nice to go for a neighborhood Harley ride with the other 50 middle aged biker wanna be's in the neighborhood. All of that is considered OK, but one young man whom makes his living by riding MX bikes can not ride on his OWN TRACK IN HIS OWN BACKYARD?????
We need a freaking REVOLUTION!!!

Unbeliveable that the National Motocross champion can't ride on his own property, on tracks that have been there for years. What a shitty place to live, and what a shitty government to allow that kind of law to be enacted.

[quote="Adam43":128fxcqd]Unbeliveable that the National Motocross champion can't ride on his own property, on tracks that have been there for years. What a shitty place to live, and what a shitty government to allow that kind of law to be enacted.[/quote:128fxcqd]


word. but our gov only gets away with what we let them. we need to look in the mirror as a society before we start holding our gov to some holy standard.

[quote="Mod Killer":23f2yk1w][quote="Adam43":23f2yk1w]Unbeliveable that the National Motocross champion can't ride on his own property, on tracks that have been there for years. What a shitty place to live, and what a shitty government to allow that kind of law to be enacted.[/quote:23f2yk1w]


word. but our gov only gets away with what we let them. we need to look in the mirror as a society before we start holding our gov to some holy standard.[/quote:23f2yk1w]

The problem is 90% of society are fucking idiots.

Don't bring the whole state into your assumptions that California is loosing freedom. It's just in some areas. If you knew how good the riding from LA north you would piss yourself. So all the jackasses that have to live next to the Starbucks, 24 hour fitness center, Albertsons and 16 theater Movieplex can all whine about their neighbors. There is year-round riding throughout the state and some of the best private tracks and trail on the planet.

[quote="oldfart":1w0cos84][quote="Foster576":1w0cos84]The problem is 90% of society are fucking idiots.[/quote:1w0cos84]

You're being generous at only 90%!

Seriously though, what about some kind of grandfather clause in Riverside county? Does one exist? For example, Villopoto bought the house before the new law I assume? He obviously bought it with the tracks in mind. It was a significiant investment for him I'm sure. Now, along comes Big Brother to tell him he can no longer use his property as planned. WTF? That's not right! I'm guessing the good citizens of the county voted this thing in? [b:1w0cos84]Atta boy AMA!! Way to protect our right to ride! It's obvious the AMA ain't cutting the mustard in many ways, maybe t's time for a new breed of organization that will care about issues specific to MX and off road enthusiasts, as opposed to the lip service only that the AMA provides[/b:1w0cos84].[/quote:1w0cos84]

Totally agree ol' wise one. Especially in bold. Like the many land closure meetings I've attended, no AMA rep in sight.
They're too busy with their needs and have totally forgotten their core membership and responsibilites to them.
I read the AMA legislative accomplishments of '07....mighty thin on any substansive issues.

I have to say Im lucky that where I live I can open the garage door and take a canal bank down a mile and im right in the dez! Miles of sand whooped trails, sand washes, free riding, cliff jumps and almost anything else you can really think of. It doesnt rain too much here in El Paso TX but I sure am glad I dont have to deal with fines and people bitching and all that crap. Although the Border Patrol tends to want to stop you every once in a while but once I take my helmet off and shoot the bull with them for a bit they are really cool guys.