Has J-Mart signed with RCH?

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4/11/2016 5:37pm
I think you need to separate the professional people who work for a team, and the sponsor/brand perception that you have.
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He'll make a good teammate for Canard.
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The_Giz wrote:
News flash!!

MX equals nothing to teams and promotion. Doesn't pay money to anybody teams or riders, but sure does cost a lot.
I'm not looking for a dollar figure... so, ummm.....

How many spa covers does it cost you guys to race the outdoors?
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4/11/2016 9:39pm Edited Date/Time 4/12/2016 5:17pm
The_Giz wrote:
News flash!!

MX equals nothing to teams and promotion. Doesn't pay money to anybody teams or riders, but sure does cost a lot.
Everyone that says that never raced....

I'm hoping Martin hangs his supercross boots up, and gets ready to defend his title outdoors...

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4/11/2016 9:39pm
I like the move. With Kenny going to another team they needed a top rider.
The one thing I dont get is Yamaha letting him go after he gave them 2 championships. i get it that Web is fast and has proven he is a force on the 450 but keep them both. I would have put both web and Martin on with Reed to show them the ropes for a year.
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I think that Febvra and Gieser are proof that when a rider switches to a 450 they can get better than they were on a 250. Time will tell.
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Spat24 wrote:
I like the move. With Kenny going to another team they needed a top rider. The one thing I dont get is Yamaha letting him go...
I like the move. With Kenny going to another team they needed a top rider.
The one thing I dont get is Yamaha letting him go after he gave them 2 championships. i get it that Web is fast and has proven he is a force on the 450 but keep them both. I would have put both web and Martin on with Reed to show them the ropes for a year.
what if jmart chose rch over a yamaha ride? I can't imagine that yamaha has not put an offer for him...
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Mit12 wrote:
I think that Febvra and Gieser are proof that when a rider switches to a 450 they can get better than they were on a 250...
I think that Febvra and Gieser are proof that when a rider switches to a 450 they can get better than they were on a 250. Time will tell.
True, K-Roc went from 13 250SX West champ to 14 450 National champ. The kids will have it dialed.
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The_Giz wrote:
News flash!!

MX equals nothing to teams and promotion. Doesn't pay money to anybody teams or riders, but sure does cost a lot.
If MX means nothing moving up, how did Baggett get a factory ride?
4/12/2016 11:40pm
Both of ya got a little of it right.

Hart is a really smart dude. But the RCH team is not run well and ultimately, that's on him & RC. It's just a toy to those guys.

But on the flip side, you got JGR, which is a very professional/serious outfit both inside & out and how many championships have they won? The same as Pink's moneypit RCH.

Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way. Yamaha shouldve paid his way to JGR. Heck, Honda shoulda went after Martin instead of Roczen.
4/12/2016 11:43pm
Spat24 wrote:
I like the move. With Kenny going to another team they needed a top rider. The one thing I dont get is Yamaha letting him go...
I like the move. With Kenny going to another team they needed a top rider.
The one thing I dont get is Yamaha letting him go after he gave them 2 championships. i get it that Web is fast and has proven he is a force on the 450 but keep them both. I would have put both web and Martin on with Reed to show them the ropes for a year.
Do u really want Reed showing "anyone the ropes"?

Dean Wilson hasnt been the same since spending all that time out in Florida with Reed.

Martin is too special a talent to be put in the wrong hands IMO. I really wish he was going to another team than RCH. I dont get what these race parents are thinking letting it happen, but maybe it's out of there control at this point.
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Both of ya got a little of it right. Hart is a really smart dude. But the RCH team is not run well and ultimately, that's...
Both of ya got a little of it right.

Hart is a really smart dude. But the RCH team is not run well and ultimately, that's on him & RC. It's just a toy to those guys.

But on the flip side, you got JGR, which is a very professional/serious outfit both inside & out and how many championships have they won? The same as Pink's moneypit RCH.

Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way. Yamaha shouldve paid his way to JGR. Heck, Honda shoulda went after Martin instead of Roczen.
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way."

Do you think RCH is going to have him doing beer bongs in the rig before each race? He's still going to be the same focused, talented guy, just on a different color bike.
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Do u really want Reed showing "anyone the ropes"? Dean Wilson hasnt been the same since spending all that time out in Florida with Reed. Martin...
Do u really want Reed showing "anyone the ropes"?

Dean Wilson hasnt been the same since spending all that time out in Florida with Reed.

Martin is too special a talent to be put in the wrong hands IMO. I really wish he was going to another team than RCH. I dont get what these race parents are thinking letting it happen, but maybe it's out of there control at this point.
shame on him for choosing a team that wins races.

jmart has omara in his corner and i really think that will help him a lot.
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4/13/2016 3:31am Edited Date/Time 4/13/2016 4:26am
Do u really want Reed showing "anyone the ropes"? Dean Wilson hasnt been the same since spending all that time out in Florida with Reed. Martin...
Do u really want Reed showing "anyone the ropes"?

Dean Wilson hasnt been the same since spending all that time out in Florida with Reed.

Martin is too special a talent to be put in the wrong hands IMO. I really wish he was going to another team than RCH. I dont get what these race parents are thinking letting it happen, but maybe it's out of there control at this point.
You do know Deano caught fire and won that his outdoor title after riding with Chad in Florida...

And even though there is absolutely no correlation at all, in fact since then, he's ridden there a tiny bit in 14 and has had awful luck with injuries in '12 - '16.
4/13/2016 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2016 1:32pm
Sully wrote:
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way." Do you think RCH is going to...
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way."

Do you think RCH is going to have him doing beer bongs in the rig before each race? He's still going to be the same focused, talented guy, just on a different color bike.
Yep. He'll be the same rider. But he'll be surrounded by a circus. It'll be a distraction.

Face it: Theyve had the riders. They got the bikes. There's no reason they shouldnt have won a title by now. It's pretty obvious from the outside looking in what is missing in this equation. And if you hear the stories from the inside, there is no doubt.

There are a few teams that got there shit together. And there are a few that need a total house cleaning.
4/13/2016 1:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2016 1:30pm
Crush wrote:
You do know Deano caught fire and won that his outdoor title after riding with Chad in Florida... And even though there is absolutely no correlation...
You do know Deano caught fire and won that his outdoor title after riding with Chad in Florida...

And even though there is absolutely no correlation at all, in fact since then, he's ridden there a tiny bit in 14 and has had awful luck with injuries in '12 - '16.
A 250 title? JLaw won a 250 title while partying his career away. So your argument doesnt hold much weight.

I got no issue with Chad Reed. But he's a big dog and these young pups have no business out there partying with him trying to keep up. They have a hard enough time surviving little ole Temecula.
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4/13/2016 2:39pm
Sully wrote:
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way." Do you think RCH is going to...
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way."

Do you think RCH is going to have him doing beer bongs in the rig before each race? He's still going to be the same focused, talented guy, just on a different color bike.
Yep. He'll be the same rider. But he'll be surrounded by a circus. It'll be a distraction. Face it: Theyve had the riders. They got the...
Yep. He'll be the same rider. But he'll be surrounded by a circus. It'll be a distraction.

Face it: Theyve had the riders. They got the bikes. There's no reason they shouldnt have won a title by now. It's pretty obvious from the outside looking in what is missing in this equation. And if you hear the stories from the inside, there is no doubt.

There are a few teams that got there shit together. And there are a few that need a total house cleaning.
the only rider that could of had a rider that could of won a championship is with KROC . He got second in outdoors last year , looks like he will get second in SX this year . so there not that far off . IMO put Ken on any bike or team and dungey could still beat him . It will always be close . but Ken only barely beat Ryan when they were both on the same bike . When Ryan HATED the bike .Now he love s his bike and he is beating Ken . Put Ken back on KTM .you d see the same results as this year
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4/13/2016 3:58pm
Roczen is leaving RCH and its not over the bike or over money right? I have followed Martins progression for years and would be bummed for him to move to RCH. Hope it works out if this is the case. I just don't see RCH as a core motocross team that love the outdoor nationals.
4/13/2016 4:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2016 4:19pm
Sully wrote:
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way." Do you think RCH is going to...
"Im disappointed to see Martin go to RCH. The kid is so focused and does things the right way."

Do you think RCH is going to have him doing beer bongs in the rig before each race? He's still going to be the same focused, talented guy, just on a different color bike.
Yep. He'll be the same rider. But he'll be surrounded by a circus. It'll be a distraction. Face it: Theyve had the riders. They got the...
Yep. He'll be the same rider. But he'll be surrounded by a circus. It'll be a distraction.

Face it: Theyve had the riders. They got the bikes. There's no reason they shouldnt have won a title by now. It's pretty obvious from the outside looking in what is missing in this equation. And if you hear the stories from the inside, there is no doubt.

There are a few teams that got there shit together. And there are a few that need a total house cleaning.
brimx153 wrote:
the only rider that could of had a rider that could of won a championship is with KROC . He got second in outdoors last year...
the only rider that could of had a rider that could of won a championship is with KROC . He got second in outdoors last year , looks like he will get second in SX this year . so there not that far off . IMO put Ken on any bike or team and dungey could still beat him . It will always be close . but Ken only barely beat Ryan when they were both on the same bike . When Ryan HATED the bike .Now he love s his bike and he is beating Ken . Put Ken back on KTM .you d see the same results as this year
All fair points by you. I dont want it to sound like Im taking anything away from Dungey. Im not a fan of his but I respect the hell out of him. For the longest time the attitude about him was "he isnt that talented, he just works hard". I couldnt believe chat boards, media, team mechanics & team managers would say some stupid shit like that.

(the sport, by it's very exclusivity makes it a shallow talent pool by comparison to most sports)

Now if MX had a deeper talent pool would Dungey still be as dominant? Probably not. But that isnt a indictment of Dungey but rather a slap in the face to the long list of "more naturally talented" riders that he's left in his wake cause of the meat grinder that is the moto-scene.

Dungey is the anti-moto scene. He dont care about being "cool guy". He's just there to win races and do it by any means necessary. If RCH as a org approached things the way Dungey himself does, they'd be able to sign a guy like him or better yet, they'd steal a title with a guy as talented as KRoc.



Here is my rebuttal to your point... Let me ask you this: Would Dungey ever sign to RCH? The answer is a big hell fucking no. Now ask yourself why. It aint the $ or the quality of the bikes.



I know I shouldnt be trashing any private team that is helping the sport by paying to show up. RCH looks the part and in the bigger picture, teams like them and the rest of the private teams are good for the sport to a point. It's not like private teams have the monopoly on being poorly run. Ive seen more than enough circus type shit go on within some factory teams as well, there's just usually less of it. With exception to JGR, I just dont think anyone serious about winning titles should be joining these private teams until they are as serious about winning as the riders themselves. Riding for a factory team comes with it's own strings attached also but there is just a certain level of professionalism that is expected. It's more than just the technology in the bikes or the budgets. The people u surround yourself with are directly responsible for your results.

Guys like JMart & KRoc belong on factory teams. And trust me when I tell u that I hate saying that because I think any motorsport is better when satellite and private teams have the ability to win championships & races.
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4/13/2016 5:30pm
Crush wrote:
You do know Deano caught fire and won that his outdoor title after riding with Chad in Florida... And even though there is absolutely no correlation...
You do know Deano caught fire and won that his outdoor title after riding with Chad in Florida...

And even though there is absolutely no correlation at all, in fact since then, he's ridden there a tiny bit in 14 and has had awful luck with injuries in '12 - '16.
A 250 title? JLaw won a 250 title while partying his career away. So your argument doesnt hold much weight. I got no issue with Chad...
A 250 title? JLaw won a 250 title while partying his career away. So your argument doesnt hold much weight.

I got no issue with Chad Reed. But he's a big dog and these young pups have no business out there partying with him trying to keep up. They have a hard enough time surviving little ole Temecula.
Yea, you're right, a "250" title.

Deano is a national champ. J-Law won a regional title.

One definitely holds weight.
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I am not sure why some are disappointed he might be going to RCH...are you concerned about the rider or the brand he might be leaving? I am a fan of the riders, doesnt matter as much to me which brand

For example there is no secret I am a Kawasaki and Honda guy (shock, horror!!!) ...but I root for Dungey, Reed and Roczen (well and CS and TC but you get my point ...I hope)
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Dunno where this fits in the thread, but this was in the Monday kickstart on Transworld


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jemcee wrote:
Dunno where this fits in the thread, but this was in the Monday kickstart on Transworld [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/14/131708/s1200_Untitled.jpg[/img]
Dunno where this fits in the thread, but this was in the Monday kickstart on Transworld


I really don't see Carmichael's team running anything but Suzuki's.

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