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I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
Is there something you want to tell us?
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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
AHRMA361 wrote:
Is there something you want to tell us?
Not that there's anything wrong with that....
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I didn't know you were Catholic, Jay. Wink

My friends got a retired Superior Court judge to do theirs in their back yard.

Most gay folks don't want to ruffle any feathers, they just want to live like everyone else.

BTW, it's LGBT.
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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
I may have missed some recent news, did someone rule that churches HAVE TO marry anyone? Or is this just hyperbole?

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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
APLMAN99 wrote:
I may have missed some recent news, did someone rule that churches HAVE TO marry anyone? Or is this just hyperbole?
Cake makers can't refuse service, so maybe he's assuming that Churches can't either...
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I may have missed some recent news, did someone rule that churches HAVE TO marry anyone? Or is this just hyperbole?
Pure hype[rbole].

It's all about that proverbial "Slippery Slope" people are so afraid of.

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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
Found this...
It's more than likely probably true/fact.
"The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees, among other things, the “free exercise” of religion. This means the government can’t interfere in purely religious functions or dictate how faith groups handle sacraments or to whom they offer them."
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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
APLMAN99 wrote:
I may have missed some recent news, did someone rule that churches HAVE TO marry anyone? Or is this just hyperbole?
huck wrote:
Cake makers can't refuse service, so maybe he's assuming that Churches can't either...
If I were the cake maker, and refused to make the cake, and it was determined legally that I had to make the cake for them, it would be the worst cake they ever had. I might even put two G. I. Joes on top with their guns touching. . . just for good measure.

I'm a bit over the government being involved in who can marry whom. But I also adamantly disagree that they can tell you that you have to do business with any person for any reason.
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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
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Found this... It's more than likely probably true/fact. [i]"The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees, among other things, the “free exercise” of religion. This means the...
Found this...
It's more than likely probably true/fact.
"The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees, among other things, the “free exercise” of religion. This means the government can’t interfere in purely religious functions or dictate how faith groups handle sacraments or to whom they offer them."
The constitution is being ignored by the current Potus why expect anything else?

it is a slippery slope and it's total bullshit the Government can dictate to private business who they must serve.
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If I were the cake maker, and refused to make the cake, and it was determined legally that I had to make the cake for them...
If I were the cake maker, and refused to make the cake, and it was determined legally that I had to make the cake for them, it would be the worst cake they ever had. I might even put two G. I. Joes on top with their guns touching. . . just for good measure.

I'm a bit over the government being involved in who can marry whom. But I also adamantly disagree that they can tell you that you have to do business with any person for any reason.
I agree.

A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

It might not be good for business, but it should be that person's prerogative, not Uncle Sam's or the ACLU's.

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I agree. A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. It might not be good for business, but it should...
I agree.

A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

It might not be good for business, but it should be that person's prerogative, not Uncle Sam's or the ACLU's.

Yup totally agree.
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IWreckALot wrote:
If I were the cake maker, and refused to make the cake, and it was determined legally that I had to make the cake for them...
If I were the cake maker, and refused to make the cake, and it was determined legally that I had to make the cake for them, it would be the worst cake they ever had. I might even put two G. I. Joes on top with their guns touching. . . just for good measure.

I'm a bit over the government being involved in who can marry whom. But I also adamantly disagree that they can tell you that you have to do business with any person for any reason.
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I agree. A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. It might not be good for business, but it should...
I agree.

A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

It might not be good for business, but it should be that person's prerogative, not Uncle Sam's or the ACLU's.

While I agree with your statement... are you saying that it's ok if a business owner says "I don't want to serve you because you're black"?

It's a slippery slope. I don't think that anybody should be turned away because of the color of their skin, but I also think that a business owner should be able to decide who they serve....

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A few things I would like to touch on in this thread but I will keep it just to this.

According to the majority in this thread it would be no problem with them, nor should it be against the law for Lowes home-improvement stores(A private business) to stick "Whites Only" signs above their entrance.

(Huck beat me to it)
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motogeezer wrote:
I agree. A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. It might not be good for business, but it should...
I agree.

A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

It might not be good for business, but it should be that person's prerogative, not Uncle Sam's or the ACLU's.

500guy wrote:
Yup totally agree.
So it's okay to kick a Mexican, black, gay, etc. out of your establishment?
1955 called. It wants you guys back.
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motogeezer wrote:
I agree. A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. It might not be good for business, but it should...
I agree.

A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

It might not be good for business, but it should be that person's prerogative, not Uncle Sam's or the ACLU's.

500guy wrote:
Yup totally agree.
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So it's okay to kick a Mexican, black, gay, etc. out of your establishment?
1955 called. It wants you guys back.
It's all fair and good with 500guy - until someone bans fat people from a restaurant. Then all hell will break loose...
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So it's okay to kick a Mexican, black, gay, etc. out of your establishment?
1955 called. It wants you guys back.
No, it's okay to refuse service to anyone but I get your point on the race issue, That could be a bad slippery slope too.

I to be honest I think the whole Cake thing is a ruse made up just to stir shit up. I can understand the decoration of the cake could be called into question but who wants a person making a cake for them that does not want to.
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One other thing, When will it be against the law to refuse service if they can't pay ?
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It's all fair and good with 500guy - until someone bans fat people from a restaurant. Then all hell will break loose...
That's all you got ? I'm Fat ? been out of 3rd grade long ?

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That's all you got ? I'm Fat ? been out of 3rd grade long ?
It was a valid point with a jab thrown in...
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It's all fair and good with 500guy - until someone bans fat people from a restaurant. Then all hell will break loose...
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That's all you got ? I'm Fat ? been out of 3rd grade long ?
You're not that good looking either... so maybe if they ban ugly people then you'll be upset? Wink
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seph wrote:
A few things I would like to touch on in this thread but I will keep it just to this. According to the majority in this...
A few things I would like to touch on in this thread but I will keep it just to this.

According to the majority in this thread it would be no problem with them, nor should it be against the law for Lowes home-improvement stores(A private business) to stick "Whites Only" signs above their entrance.

(Huck beat me to it)
Yes, Huck beat you to it, but we all know we'll never slide down that slippery slope.

I was talking about small biz, like the bigot baker who doesn't want to serve gays.

In a perfect world, any business that discriminated against anyone, for any reason, would go under pretty quickly, because all the sensible people would refuse to business there.
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motogeezer wrote:
I agree. A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. It might not be good for business, but it should...
I agree.

A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

It might not be good for business, but it should be that person's prerogative, not Uncle Sam's or the ACLU's.

Your views are fairly clear. You did not include any qualifiers in your statement, don't try to add them in now.
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Not clued up on US law but does a marriage provide more legal rights than a civil ceremony?
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seph wrote:
Your views are fairly clear. You did not include any qualifiers in your statement, don't try to add them in now.
Can I legally refuse to interact with you, based on my personal belief that you're a dick?
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huck wrote:
You're not that good looking either... so maybe if they ban ugly people then you'll be upset? Wink
I knew about the looks, I did not know about being Fat.
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Why shouldn't gay couples have the right to be as miserable as married heterosexual couples?
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500guy wrote:
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them...
I wonder if a Gay couple can legally force a church to marry them , can a Catholic couple force the Mormon Church to marry them in the Mormon Temple ?
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Found this... It's more than likely probably true/fact. [i]"The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees, among other things, the “free exercise” of religion. This means the...
Found this...
It's more than likely probably true/fact.
"The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees, among other things, the “free exercise” of religion. This means the government can’t interfere in purely religious functions or dictate how faith groups handle sacraments or to whom they offer them."
500guy wrote:
The constitution is being ignored by the current Potus why expect anything else? it is a slippery slope and it's total bullshit the Government can dictate...
The constitution is being ignored by the current Potus why expect anything else?

it is a slippery slope and it's total bullshit the Government can dictate to private business who they must serve.
You must really miss the good old days........



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Not clued up on US law but does a marriage provide more legal rights than a civil ceremony?
They're both marriages. No difference.

A religious ceremony is strictly for your own preference, no added legal standing.
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seph wrote:
A few things I would like to touch on in this thread but I will keep it just to this. According to the majority in this...
A few things I would like to touch on in this thread but I will keep it just to this.

According to the majority in this thread it would be no problem with them, nor should it be against the law for Lowes home-improvement stores(A private business) to stick "Whites Only" signs above their entrance.

(Huck beat me to it)
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Yes, Huck beat you to it, but we all know we'll never slide down that slippery slope. I was talking about small biz, like the bigot...
Yes, Huck beat you to it, but we all know we'll never slide down that slippery slope.

I was talking about small biz, like the bigot baker who doesn't want to serve gays.

In a perfect world, any business that discriminated against anyone, for any reason, would go under pretty quickly, because all the sensible people would refuse to business there.
Except that didn't work, and it took government intervention in order to halt those practices. If those things worked themselves out organically then we wouldn't have needed civil rights legislation in the first place.
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Sounds like a bunch of you support the constitution except for when it affords civil liberties to people you don't like. Another run away bigoted thread. This outta be good...watching THIS devolve into the dumbgeon.

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