Old school 4 stroke conversions and "works" bikes?

Edited Date/Time 1/26/2016 5:52pm
I'm more of a 2 stroke guy, but for some reason, the old works 4 stroke bikes, and conversion bikes tickle my fancy. Anyone have any in their stable, or have some old photos?
I had this conversion Elsinore until last year. No idea who did the conversion, but it was cool none the less. XL125 motor, Powroll goodies, total loss ignition, etc.


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I'm more of a 2 stroke guy, but for some reason, the old works 4 stroke bikes, and conversion bikes tickle my fancy. Anyone have any...
I'm more of a 2 stroke guy, but for some reason, the old works 4 stroke bikes, and conversion bikes tickle my fancy. Anyone have any in their stable, or have some old photos?
I had this conversion Elsinore until last year. No idea who did the conversion, but it was cool none the less. XL125 motor, Powroll goodies, total loss ignition, etc.


Huge fan off the custom built thumpers from the 70s. My friend and his brother had XL350s. His brother had the local Honda shop build a Bill Bell 410 motor for his. I had a TT500 and a White Bros. catalog, but no money to buy anything from it. We rode those things all over town and the local hills. Great times. C&J framed TT500 is on my dream bike list.
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Smoothie, be careful here. Be very careful. Step away from the thumpers, Run for your life, they are addictive!. I ran across a BSA B50 and was going to restore it to ride. Then I was viciously attacked at a swap meet by a Ducati RT450. There was no use resisting. It was like riding a tree stump with wheels. Started easy and always put a smile on my face. Next was the evil bay Rickman Matchless. I am not sure I ever saw one in real life prior to is landing on the door step. While frustrating at times, it turns out to be a blast to ride and extremely reliable. I could bore you with more details around the Rickman 441, 650 Triumph, Champ framed XL350.
I think the counseling has helped but admit I just pulled a spare 125 Rickman chassis out to see if (how!) the Triumph 250 motor will be fitted.

This will be my last one, Well, after I get the Pro Fab Yammie and CCM done.....

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My dads bike...... 1982 Cheney Yamaha, XT 500 motor bored and stroked to 600cc, extra stud on the barrel to help hold her together then every other cooling fin hand cut off, modified oil feed straight into the cam, the engine has no flywheel, the end of the crank has been removed completely and it runs an interspan ignition ( used a lot in speedway, recharchable battery pack, you charge it from your car battery with a lead that plugs in ) makes the engine build and lose revs very quickly, much like a modern 250f but a much bigger, deeper boom...... It frightens grown men who aren't used to it when it fires up. The Frame is built by Eric Cheney ( Google him, seriously, worked in a shop not much bigger than a garage and built some simply amazing machines, nearly won a 500 motocross world title with John Banks and when he dipped a toe into road racing one of chassis did win a world championship ) This bike was built for his son, Simon and purchased by my dad in 1985 direct from Eric and Simon, it has full titanium engine bolts, foogpeg bolts etc, front end is factory Kayaba with titanium internals, caps etc, hand made alloy tank, side panels and air box, modified YZ seat, non linkage mono shock rear end with CR 480 shock, modified to run no link front wheel is YZ, rear is an XT 550 hub with cush drive to help the gear box..... I have raced this bike many times and it is simply awesome, a real experience.

Good thread and brave on here with the 2 stroke Taliban, I love all bikes 2 and 4 stroke big and small.... I even have an ATC 70 tucked in a corner of my garageEvil
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1/23/2016 3:37am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 3:41am

Nice bike...

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1/23/2016 3:39am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 3:45am

Cool thread by the way.. I have some of my own junk bikes from way back to add here...
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I sure wish I knew whatever happened to the Kelvin Franks-built Hondas. There were two I understand.
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Bigfoot wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/24/Untitled_4_copy_525026.jpg[/img] I sure wish I knew whatever happened to the Kelvin Franks-built Hondas. There were two I understand.


I sure wish I knew whatever happened to the Kelvin Franks-built Hondas. There were two I understand.
Chandler rode one at the 1980 USGP. The sound of that thing was cool in a field of 2 strokes.
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Then



Now


Same exact Genuine Aberg in both photo's

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1/24/2016 9:54am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2016 3:52pm
UK has some great conversions, their twin shock seen rules. The TRico is a sweet bike.
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May have been Designed and assemblied in the UK, however it was perfected in America !
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who remembers the Franks K-Roo XR80?
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who remembers the Franks K-Roo XR80?


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SCR wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/24/121184/s1200_Franks.jpg[/img]


**like**!
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1/24/2016 9:47pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2016 10:08pm
A very Very special Maico 4T:




Do please have a good look at the case reed set up (there were a few reed blocks to this engine - think it out for yourselves), the secondary induction tube / plenum chamber in front of the cylinder, that collects and delivers the charge to the rocker cover, thence to a short intake 'header' to the inlet valve(s). Semi / low pressure (well, compared to other supercharging systems) supercharging. Some might remember Dirt Bike having an article about an XR80 engine done by either FMF / PC / whothehellever, and some may give thought to CCMs 'five stroke' project - they are much the same, but later than this Maico. Some wonderful ideas / bikes went with the Maisch family fighting.
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I saw a PE 175 with an XR200 motor in it the otherday
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A [i]very[/i] [i]Very[/i] special Maico 4T: [URL=http://s163.photobucket.com/user/bearorso/media/MaicoFSLHfrontmidsize-1.jpg.html][IMG]http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t319/bearorso/MaicoFSLHfrontmidsize-1.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s163.photobucket.com/user/bearorso/media/MaicoFSRHmotor-rearwheelview.jpg.html][IMG]http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t319/bearorso/MaicoFSRHmotor-rearwheelview.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [u]Do please[/u] have a good look at the case reed set up (there were a few reed blocks...
A very Very special Maico 4T:




Do please have a good look at the case reed set up (there were a few reed blocks to this engine - think it out for yourselves), the secondary induction tube / plenum chamber in front of the cylinder, that collects and delivers the charge to the rocker cover, thence to a short intake 'header' to the inlet valve(s). Semi / low pressure (well, compared to other supercharging systems) supercharging. Some might remember Dirt Bike having an article about an XR80 engine done by either FMF / PC / whothehellever, and some may give thought to CCMs 'five stroke' project - they are much the same, but later than this Maico. Some wonderful ideas / bikes went with the Maisch family fighting.
Hybrid motors are cool. I'm surprised manufacturers havent done more with it. In the power equipment industry its pretty common. Stihl and Shindaiwa/Echo have been using them for years with great success. The sound out of those little motors is unreal. Couldn't imagine what it would sound like in a big motor.
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1/25/2016 11:12am Edited Date/Time 1/25/2016 11:13am
great thread...remember the days when there was that lone weirdo on a 4t? Say when the ATK was exotic and cool? or the early days of Husaberg or the early-mid 80s with the Husky? World Four Stroke Championships?



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Not mine.. but very cool.
Great thread BTW.






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Thumperpilot.com was a site dedicated to these types of conversions.

Lots of great bikes on there.
1/25/2016 2:17pm
Before I got my VOR, I had really toyed with the idea of a ADB Avenger. I thought these were wicked cool.
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I have one of these to restore, owned from new , first one sold in UK.



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I had a VOR, kool bike for sure. The ADBs are sweet, love the Rotax.
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great thread...remember the days when there was that lone weirdo on a 4t? Say when the ATK was exotic and cool? or the early days of...
great thread...remember the days when there was that lone weirdo on a 4t? Say when the ATK was exotic and cool? or the early days of Husaberg or the early-mid 80s with the Husky? World Four Stroke Championships?



This is my early Husaberg..... We weren't weirdo's Wink I got a lot of help, free kit and cheap spares etc not to mention crowd support, the fans loved a thumper back in the day, I remember being the only 4-stroke at meetings, other riders asking "what is that? Is it a Suzuki?" Good times.

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Hey Sidecar, no offense meant... I was said weirdo with the odd 4 stroke during that era.... sweet Husaberg.
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1/26/2016 7:51am
great thread...remember the days when there was that lone weirdo on a 4t? Say when the ATK was exotic and cool? or the early days of...
great thread...remember the days when there was that lone weirdo on a 4t? Say when the ATK was exotic and cool? or the early days of Husaberg or the early-mid 80s with the Husky? World Four Stroke Championships?



"If you are a KTM fan you may remember Tom Moen as the mechanic who built the first modern four-stroke to ever make an AMA Supercross main event. Ridden by Lance Smail, the specially-built KTM 540 made the Daytona Supercross main on March 7, 1997 (which was before Doug Henry raced the Yamaha YZ400 prototype).

In 1996 Tom Moen had approached his KTM boss Rod Bush about the possibility of building a four-stroke for the AMA Supercross series. Bush approved a budget to build three machines for Smail to race. They were one-off specials based on 620 LC4 cranks mated to 400cc piston to produce 538cc. The 1997 AMA Supercross series was the only AMA races that Smail raced the bike in, as he switched to Husaberg for 1998."



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Yep, I remember that! Pretty dang kool to say the least. I had a 97 620, so that made it even more special.

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