My 2015 KX450 offroad conversion (updated...first ride)

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I recently purchased a lightly used 2015 KX450, and finally got it tore down and rebuilt as an off road bike. It's nothing special, but I figured I'd share it anyway, because, well, I'm excited about my new bike!

I started with this:



Tore it all the way down to this (this was after the front end was put back on):



Greased every bearing, and torque checked every bolt...and added these parts:

-Suspension Revalve. TBT down in Arizona did the shock. I haven't done anything with the forks yet. I've never ridden air forks, so I'm going to put some hours on them, and then send them off for a revalve (if necessary).

-IMS 2.7 Gallon Tank. I always buy IMS because they have the slimmest (is that a word?) feel to them, and they look and fit a lot better than other brands I've used. I probably give up a few 10ths of a gallon, but 2.7 gallons will get me all the range I need for the races I do. I didn't go with the dry break system...partly cost, and partly because I just don't need one.

-Acerbis Skid Plate. I REALLY like these plastic skid plates from Acerbis. They are lighter, don't seem to echo engine noise as badly, and are incredibly strong.

-Acerbis Hand Guards. These are my go-to Guards. I've been spending less time in the mountains, and more time in the desert, so I didn't get the wrap around "bark buster" style. I just need them for roost and light bushes in the desert.

-Fastco Flex Bars. I'm a fan of these bars. They are tough as nails, and they work as advertised. I've got wrist issues, so they do help take a little bit of the sting out of bumps.

-Scott Radial Full Waffle Grips. I've always liked these grips...I have "biggerish" hands, so I like the full waffle, and they last a very long time.

-Primary Drive Gold X-Ring chain. The stock chains are weak...and i've been running these primary Drive Gold X-ring chains for ever, and they rock. They look good and last forever.

-Primary Drive Sprockets: The stock sprockets are weak as well. And the Steel Primary Drive sprockets are my go to. Their sprocket/chain combo kits are way affordable, and the steel sprockets are very durable. Right now I'm running stock tooth counts. I'll get some hours on the bike and then adjust it as necessary.

TM Designs chain guide: These guys have as far as I can tell figured out the happy medium between strength and durability. I like the plastic because it will flex (where a metal guide may be a bit stronger, once it bends it doesn't bounce back), and honestly, they are tough enough I've never had any issues with them, EVER. Great product.

TM Designs chain slider: These bikes eat up chain sliders...I picked up the TM designs slider, just to match the chain guide.

Devol Radiator guards: (these aren't installed yet, the wrong ones were shipped) I like these because they offer both side and front impact protection. In fact, the radiator just kind of floats in the middle of the guard. Spendy? Sure...but its better than busting up a radiator 40 miles from the truck.

FMF Power Cor IV S/A Silencer: I'm not looking for any more power or anything (so I'm running a stock header-wand will until the stocker breaks), but my desert series requires a spark arrestor, so I had to do something. I honestly have no particular preference for FMF performance wise, BUT they are so involved in the Kurt Caselli foundation, and really working to make off road racing safer...and because of that, they get my money.

GPR V4 Steering Stabilizer: This is my favorite steering stab...I like the low profile (the under bar mount only adds a few millimeters over stock bar height, and I really like the big compression adjuster on it. It's not often I adjust it on the fly (I honestly keep it at 1 or 2 for most everything), but when I do need to adjust it, its SO nice to not have to search around for it.

Topar Racing rotor guards (front and rear): I prefer their stainless steel guards, but the bike came with their plastic ones. I'll see how they work.

Topar Racing rear caliper guard: Adds a little bit of weight...but a TON of peace of mind.

ReKluse CORE EXP 3.0 Clutch: (this isn't installed yet) I've been running ReKluse clutches for about 3 or 4 years, and they are the best thing, almost ever. with the EXP 3.0, you don't even know there is an auto clutch in the bike unless I told you, the clutch feel is exactly the same as stock (its not any stiffer, and there is no vibration in the clutch lever at all). Though it doesn't make me any faster, it saves me a ton of time by eliminating stalls, and arm pump because I don't "have" to use the clutch if I don't want to. It's really an AMAZING product.

Attack Graphics pre-printed numbers/back grounds: There are a lot of companies that do these, but Rocky Mountain ATV is just down the road, and they are thick and tough.

Bridgestone Ultra Heavy Duty tubes (Front and rear): A lot of guys ask why I don't run Bibs...and to be honest, its cost and the fact that I've never had a pinch flat running the ultra heavy duty tubes (knock on wood). With proper tire maintenance (replacing tires before the side wall completely wears out, and proper air pressure), these things just work.

Tires: I'll run these stock tires (I think they are Bridgestone) until they wear out...but I'll replace them with the Dunlop MX52. I love these tires...a lot people say I'm crazy, but, to me at least, the MX52 front is like Velcro. Yes, the durability maybe isn't as good as some tires, but I think the traction makes up for it.

The motor: The motor will have PLENTY of power, stock, so all I did here was have a shop put in stainless steel valves and springs.

One thing I still need to add: ASV unbreakable levers.

My focus is on durability over increased performance, weight, or looks. All other parts (graphics, plastics, discs and pads, seat cover etc.) will be replaced once these wear out. Anyway, here is the finished product, and it turned out pretty good if you ask me:








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peelout
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1/25/2016 9:39am Edited Date/Time 1/25/2016 9:42am
sweet garage, does the old lady know you're using her doilies to wipe off the excess grease?

on a serious note, good for you, is that going to be your new desert racing bike or just another offroader? have you thought about building more of an adventure bike or is that not really something you're into?

i'm going to pick up a new Husky or KTM this year and build a total adventure ride

now let's get some sweet action pics bro
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That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel?

Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard plastic chain sliders because they make a lot of noise.

I do have a front tire suggestion: Maxxis has a new product called the Dual SX. It's actually a really good desert tire.

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peelout wrote:
sweet garage, does the old lady know you're using her doilies to wipe off the excess grease? on a serious note, good for you, is that...
sweet garage, does the old lady know you're using her doilies to wipe off the excess grease?

on a serious note, good for you, is that going to be your new desert racing bike or just another offroader? have you thought about building more of an adventure bike or is that not really something you're into?

i'm going to pick up a new Husky or KTM this year and build a total adventure ride

now let's get some sweet action pics bro
LOL...its actually in my buddies living room...his heated living room is a way better place to turn wrenches than my cold garage.

This will be my new race bike. The plan is to sell my current YZ450 this spring, and buy a dedicated offroader (a two stroke).

The adventure bike thing is DEFINITELY something I'm interested in. And is something I'll build in the future. My dad has a plated Honda 450x (nothing fancy) and it was so much fun to hop on that thing and just explore. So that's going to happen at some point, for sure.

And action picks are coming. Weather permitting I'll ride this coming weekend. I'm looking at Green River area, if not, then we'll probably go farther South (Warner Valley or maybe even Mesquite).
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Xeno wrote:
That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel? Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard...
That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel?

Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard plastic chain sliders because they make a lot of noise.

I do have a front tire suggestion: Maxxis has a new product called the Dual SX. It's actually a really good desert tire.
On the 18" rear wheel...I don't know, actually. I've never really felt like I needed one. A lot of guys I race with like them, and a lot of guys like the 19"...I haven't been on an 18" rear wheel since the 90's...so I don't know what I'm missing. lol

There is a bit of noise on the chain sliders...I've found that it gets quieter over time, but never quite goes away, very true.

Thanks for that recommendation on that tire. I'll check it out. A friend of mine told me to try the Kenda Washougal...any experience with that one?
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And another motocross bike ruined. RIP kawi, RIP
LOL...come on man...it's not so bad. I'll still moto it...a few rounds of my local desert series are GP's that run moto tracks.
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Looks good man!

Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as well, seems like a ton of the endurocross guys are using them these days.
1/25/2016 2:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2016 3:00pm
i run a pretty similar set up on my 15, that i use for MX and offroad, few different brands in there and no hand guards or skid plate, or recluse

have you tried a ohlins steering damper? they are aweosme, fit under the bar, and offer a heap of adjustment
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Good job. Plenty of good riding a head of you on that steed.
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And another motocross bike ruined. RIP kawi, RIP
Let's see your bike...
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1/25/2016 3:18pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2016 3:18pm
And another motocross bike ruined. RIP kawi, RIP
ML512 wrote:
Let's see your bike...


He still has a few mods to do but getting there.

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I wondered about the SS valves as the KX450F valvetrain is very durable.
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Xeno wrote:
That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel? Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard...
That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel?

Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard plastic chain sliders because they make a lot of noise.

I do have a front tire suggestion: Maxxis has a new product called the Dual SX. It's actually a really good desert tire.
Titan1 wrote:
On the 18" rear wheel...I don't know, actually. I've never really felt like I needed one. A lot of guys I race with like them, and...
On the 18" rear wheel...I don't know, actually. I've never really felt like I needed one. A lot of guys I race with like them, and a lot of guys like the 19"...I haven't been on an 18" rear wheel since the 90's...so I don't know what I'm missing. lol

There is a bit of noise on the chain sliders...I've found that it gets quieter over time, but never quite goes away, very true.

Thanks for that recommendation on that tire. I'll check it out. A friend of mine told me to try the Kenda Washougal...any experience with that one?
do the 18" wheel and thank us later bro
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LungButter wrote:
Looks good man! Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as...
Looks good man!

Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as well, seems like a ton of the endurocross guys are using them these days.
Thanks!

I looked into those, and honestly they seem to be a bit of overkill for what I need. Though I think they sell just a linkage slide plate, and I could see myself picking up one of those in the future.
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LungButter wrote:
Looks good man! Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as...
Looks good man!

Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as well, seems like a ton of the endurocross guys are using them these days.
Titan1 wrote:
Thanks! I looked into those, and honestly they seem to be a bit of overkill for what I need. Though I think they sell just a...
Thanks!

I looked into those, and honestly they seem to be a bit of overkill for what I need. Though I think they sell just a linkage slide plate, and I could see myself picking up one of those in the future.
i have a linkage slide-plate on my 300 and swear by it. it's kinda clanky (even when tight) and looks bulky but i ride my bike like a mountain goat, no rock or log too big to wheelie up onto and over and more times than not i'll glide right over rather than snagging and getting whipped into the bars
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i run a pretty similar set up on my 15, that i use for MX and offroad, few different brands in there and no hand guards...
i run a pretty similar set up on my 15, that i use for MX and offroad, few different brands in there and no hand guards or skid plate, or recluse

have you tried a ohlins steering damper? they are aweosme, fit under the bar, and offer a heap of adjustment
I haven't considered the Ohlins damper...it looks to pretty for me to beat up. lol

You've gotta try a Rekluse...they really are awesome!
1/25/2016 4:31pm
And another motocross bike ruined. RIP kawi, RIP
ML512 wrote:
Let's see your bike...
I have a 15 crf 250. I don't post personal pics on a public forum. You can hit the Instagram up though, great moto photos!
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Xeno wrote:
That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel? Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard...
That should get the job done, and then some! Will you eventually go to an 18" rear wheel?

Personally, I'm not a fan of the hard plastic chain sliders because they make a lot of noise.

I do have a front tire suggestion: Maxxis has a new product called the Dual SX. It's actually a really good desert tire.
Titan1 wrote:
On the 18" rear wheel...I don't know, actually. I've never really felt like I needed one. A lot of guys I race with like them, and...
On the 18" rear wheel...I don't know, actually. I've never really felt like I needed one. A lot of guys I race with like them, and a lot of guys like the 19"...I haven't been on an 18" rear wheel since the 90's...so I don't know what I'm missing. lol

There is a bit of noise on the chain sliders...I've found that it gets quieter over time, but never quite goes away, very true.

Thanks for that recommendation on that tire. I'll check it out. A friend of mine told me to try the Kenda Washougal...any experience with that one?
peelout wrote:
do the 18" wheel and thank us later bro
LOL...what differences do you feel?
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1/25/2016 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2016 4:38pm
The 18" rear wheel will not deflect as much on hard-pack bumps and especially rocks.
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Xeno wrote:
The 18" rear wheel will not deflect as much on hard-pack bumps and especially rocks.
Maybe I'll look into that. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Looks like my Apartment when I was 18 but had a Susuki in the living room...NICE!
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LungButter wrote:
Looks good man! Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as...
Looks good man!

Did you think about going with a SXS Slidplate at all? Made from super durable plastic and they also protect your linkage as well, seems like a ton of the endurocross guys are using them these days.
Titan1 wrote:
Thanks! I looked into those, and honestly they seem to be a bit of overkill for what I need. Though I think they sell just a...
Thanks!

I looked into those, and honestly they seem to be a bit of overkill for what I need. Though I think they sell just a linkage slide plate, and I could see myself picking up one of those in the future.
peelout wrote:
i have a linkage slide-plate on my 300 and swear by it. it's kinda clanky (even when tight) and looks bulky but i ride my bike...
i have a linkage slide-plate on my 300 and swear by it. it's kinda clanky (even when tight) and looks bulky but i ride my bike like a mountain goat, no rock or log too big to wheelie up onto and over and more times than not i'll glide right over rather than snagging and getting whipped into the bars
Ha, I just saw this thread and was going to suggest the same thing, SXS slide plates are awesome! I've had one on my yz250 for a few months now and it has been great, protects everything and I haven't had any issues with it. It's been through an Endurocross and a bunch of other gnarly trail rides and its holding up great, linkage is also completely unscathed. When I first got it I was very hesitant since I needed to drill two small holes in my frame for mounting (not sure if this is necessary for all bikes), but after emailing back and forth with John I decided to go for it and I'm glad I did. The skid plates are just a side business for him but he turns out a great product at a very reasonable price, if you want some form of linkage protection I would definately recommend giving his plates a try.

Btw your bike looks awesome! I've kept mine sort of in between a Moto bike and an offroad bike since I split my time pretty evenly, but I have a recluse as well and it's just straight up awesome everywhere. I don't have any kxf experience but I'm sure you'll enjoy it, congrats on the new bike!






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Looks great, love the garage. Wink
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My plan is to make my 2014 KX450 a full on Desert Bike also. And get a 2016 KX450 for MX only. I'm going to follow this post to see how the project evolve.
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Thanks guys!

The "garage" is my buddies...I've got a wife and four kids...no way in the world dirt bikes are getting stored in my living room. But my buddy is single, and rents his place...so its a heated garage.

So I came VERY VERY close to purchasing a 2016 YZ450FX...I've been on YZ450's for years, and love yamaha's, but it came down to cost. A 450FX would have been $9500 OTD...and I'd still have to put almost all of those parts on it (with the exception of a skid plate), so I'd of been almost $11K when all was said and done. Same story on the KTM's (and their forks suck).

All in, on this KX450 I'm just a hair over $7K. PLUS, KX's make great off road bikes. One thing I really look for in a bike is I want it to feel planted and stable (especially at desert speeds), and these bikes are that. Turning on dime isn't something I need.

So for about $3K less, I've got a bike that is every bit as good as the YZ450FX or the KTM450XC, with the exception of E-Start, and an 18 inch rear wheel. And in all reality, I could buy a sweet 250 two stroke for the money I saved.

Anyway, if the snow stays away, I'll get my first ride on it this Saturday.

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Xeno wrote:
The 18" rear wheel will not deflect as much on hard-pack bumps and especially rocks.
You can run lower air pressure and not worry about pinch flats and dented rims. I have been running 11-12. On my 19, I flatted two races in a row at 14 in the morning which is usually 15 in the heat of the day.
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2/1/2016 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 2/1/2016 1:24pm
Sorry to drag an old thread from the depths...but I was able to finally put some time on this bike, and wanted to report back.

I was hoping to be able to ride more traditional "desert"...but the weather sucks, so all the close riding areas are covered in Snow, and I wasn't able to get all the way to Southern Utah this weekend, so I rode at the White Wash/Dubinky Sand dune area, near Green River/San Rafael Swell area in Utah. It was more "sand" than anything...but I did find some nice whooped out trails, and some rocks to play in.

There were a lot of first on Saturday...First time on a Kawasaki, First time on a fuel injected bike, and First time on Air forks.

For perspective, I'm coming off a 2009 YZ450...so most of my observations are relative to that bike.

Air Forks...I can honestly say that I REALLY liked them. I ran them the same pressure settings as a friend of mine (pro rider) runs his, and they are the "plushest" forks I've ever ridden. They ate up small choppy bumps and rocks. They were a little soft on whoops and fast corners (I was blowing through the stroke pretty easy), but this could be fixed with some small clicker adjustments. I've only got a few hours on them, but I like them better than my re-valved SSS KYB forks on my yamaha.

Shock...it was revalved by TBT down in Arizona. And its great. I need to fine tune it a bit as far as clickers go, but even on TBT's out of the box settings it worked good. I need a little more high speed compression (it was bottoming on high speed whoop sections, which would cause it to kick out a bit...). With a few more hours on it, it will work amazing!

Though I think on the scale it weights pretty close to the same (the YZ might actually be a little lighter, but I can't remember for sure), but the KX feels way lighter. It has a much narrower feel than the YZ.

Power...it has plenty of power! But the cool thing is that its power delivery is butter smooth...it starts low in the RPM range and then increases-smoothly and predictably-all they way to the top end.

Turning...the magazines said it likes to turn with the back wheel. And that is absolute truth. Trying to turn it with the front wheel, it was hard to get it to go where I wanted it to. But crack open the throttle, and it comes right around, and goes where ever I look.

Starting...this is a big deal for me, because as a desert racer we do dead engine starts. After three hours of riding, I still haven't figured out how to start the bike, in gear, in one kick. This isn't a complaint, as it will probably take me several more hours of riding to figure this out...and I'll do what it takes. Having never owned a fuel injected bike, I was constantly searching for the hot start lever.

Anyway...I have to say, two or three hours in, the bike exceeded my expectations. I'm sure 6 years of R&D (from the 09 YZ to the 15 KX) is a lot of what I'm liking so much. Once I get some more seat time to make some minor adjustments to the suspension, and figure out how to start it...I think I'm REALLY going to love this motorcycle.
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Titan, do you race WEBE. I see you have Cody Giles check in the background and I usually see him racing against Cody Schafer at the races all the time. I do several WEBE rounds a year and was just curious if you race those as well.
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Titan, do you race WEBE. I see you have Cody Giles check in the background and I usually see him racing against Cody Schafer at the...
Titan, do you race WEBE. I see you have Cody Giles check in the background and I usually see him racing against Cody Schafer at the races all the time. I do several WEBE rounds a year and was just curious if you race those as well.
I haven't raced any WEBE rounds...but Carson (not Cody) Giles is a family friend (he is who is helping me set up this bike). Those pictures are in his living room.

Carson has been bugging me to go out and race one or two rounds...but I've never been able to fit them into my schedule (most of the rounds are a pretty good drive from where I live).

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