Stewart OUT for the night

4thGearPinned 1/16/2016 7:20pm
1/16/2016 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 7:21pm
He was cleared but in no shape to compete or even take the risk of another head injury.

The protocol needs some work. For the safety & benefit of the riders and their long term health.


I'll say it a million times or until the sticklers here ban me for campaigning for BETTER standards for the athletes & our sport.
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MXR2NV 1/16/2016 8:19pm
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He is not feeling it tonight..period. Dungey; "The Diesel" should be called "Plow-Boy"
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philG wrote:
So even though he was passed fit.. he clearly wasnt. AMA take note.
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am trying to educate you guys but it's just not sinking in for some of you. Just passing the computer test is not enough we have STAGES in which each stage is more intense than the previous one.
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philG 1/16/2016 8:53pm
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The fact he was on the bike at all means he was passed fit to ride. If there is another test he has to pass after practice does he have to take it even if decides himself not to ride. How would you quantify how bad he was feeling if you didn't repeat the test and compare it to the first one.

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4thGearPinned 1/16/2016 8:56pm
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philG wrote:
So even though he was passed fit.. he clearly wasnt. AMA take note.
EddieC wrote:
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am...
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am trying to educate you guys but it's just not sinking in for some of you. Just passing the computer test is not enough we have STAGES in which each stage is more intense than the previous one.
Your stages let someone on track a week after a concussion.

You are not getting it.

Get tougher stages. Mandatory cool down time.


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seph 1/16/2016 9:00pm
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philG wrote:
So even though he was passed fit.. he clearly wasnt. AMA take note.
EddieC wrote:
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am...
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am trying to educate you guys but it's just not sinking in for some of you. Just passing the computer test is not enough we have STAGES in which each stage is more intense than the previous one.
Wait, what!?!

So you don't clear someone to ride until after they've already ridden? WTF!
Ghost of Jabroni 1/16/2016 9:23pm
1/16/2016 9:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 9:27pm
philG wrote:
So even though he was passed fit.. he clearly wasnt. AMA take note.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Exactly.
Celine wrote:
There was a guy posting here a couple of days ago that made the same argument, but there were some people who were upset by that.
Yep. And now everyone dont want to own up to it.

"It's race nite, can we not talk about this crap"

How about not argue when youre wrong, and this wouldnt have been such a big deal. Lotsa dipshits with egg on their faces right now.
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Stewart is weak as water
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Bump for a reply from Eddie. Just trying to wrap my head around what he posted.
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philG 1/17/2016 6:08am
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Bump for a reply from Eddie. Just trying to wrap my head around what he posted.
i didnt get it either.

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4thGearPinned wrote:
Your stages let someone on track a week after a concussion.

You are not getting it.

Get tougher stages. Mandatory cool down time.


So far; I am siding with you in this discussion.
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FastEddy 1/17/2016 8:51am
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EddieC wrote:
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am...
Was he passed fit? A rider is not deemed fit to ride until after race day practice. That's in the Return to Ride Protocol. I am trying to educate you guys but it's just not sinking in for some of you. Just passing the computer test is not enough we have STAGES in which each stage is more intense than the previous one.
Thanks for the info.
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philG 1/17/2016 9:21am
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i can see that Eddie is not some bystander in this, but without access to the testing protocol ( which i dont have) , it is hard to fathom .. i see that the riders must have a baseline test prior to season start, so i can only assume that JS's response to the test showed no adverse effects , So if they didnt , at what point would he be cleared to ride.

Or moreover , at what point would he be deemed unfit , and who would make that call.

In a lot of cases , riders need protecting by a robust structure that takes the call out of their hands, but its shouldnt fall to an on track medic to make that call either.. both should be protected by the same rules.

Lets hope he recovers fully.
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DonM 1/17/2016 9:32am
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philG wrote:
i can see that Eddie is not some bystander in this, but without access to the testing protocol ( which i dont have) , it is...
i can see that Eddie is not some bystander in this, but without access to the testing protocol ( which i dont have) , it is hard to fathom .. i see that the riders must have a baseline test prior to season start, so i can only assume that JS's response to the test showed no adverse effects , So if they didnt , at what point would he be cleared to ride.

Or moreover , at what point would he be deemed unfit , and who would make that call.

In a lot of cases , riders need protecting by a robust structure that takes the call out of their hands, but its shouldnt fall to an on track medic to make that call either.. both should be protected by the same rules.

Lets hope he recovers fully.
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process from your recliner??? And question the one person that comes on here that does have first hand knowledge???
There seems to be way too many concussion experts on here and their only knowledge comes from them hitting their head previously but yet they just can't get their arms around the fact that each situation is different.
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Jimmy_Sloan 1/17/2016 9:35am
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DonM wrote:
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process...
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process from your recliner??? And question the one person that comes on here that does have first hand knowledge???
There seems to be way too many concussion experts on here and their only knowledge comes from them hitting their head previously but yet they just can't get their arms around the fact that each situation is different.
There is a vast sea of medical knowledge about concussions and the lingering effects of them for months, sometimes years even after the patient feels "fine". Just because someone is not a medical doctor or does not have a medical degree, it does not mean that they are wrong. The riders safety, both short and long term, should come first, not fans' entertainment and how quickly a rider can get back out there.
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mxb2 1/17/2016 9:39am
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philG wrote:
i can see that Eddie is not some bystander in this, but without access to the testing protocol ( which i dont have) , it is...
i can see that Eddie is not some bystander in this, but without access to the testing protocol ( which i dont have) , it is hard to fathom .. i see that the riders must have a baseline test prior to season start, so i can only assume that JS's response to the test showed no adverse effects , So if they didnt , at what point would he be cleared to ride.

Or moreover , at what point would he be deemed unfit , and who would make that call.

In a lot of cases , riders need protecting by a robust structure that takes the call out of their hands, but its shouldnt fall to an on track medic to make that call either.. both should be protected by the same rules.

Lets hope he recovers fully.
DonM wrote:
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process...
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process from your recliner??? And question the one person that comes on here that does have first hand knowledge???
There seems to be way too many concussion experts on here and their only knowledge comes from them hitting their head previously but yet they just can't get their arms around the fact that each situation is different.
So you posted to tell him to stop posting , ok. Lol.
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DonM 1/17/2016 9:42am
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DonM wrote:
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process...
Please let it go...you weren't there you have zero knowledge of what happened or how decisions were/are made but yet you want to criticize the process from your recliner??? And question the one person that comes on here that does have first hand knowledge???
There seems to be way too many concussion experts on here and their only knowledge comes from them hitting their head previously but yet they just can't get their arms around the fact that each situation is different.
Jimmy_Sloan wrote:
There is a vast sea of medical knowledge about concussions and the lingering effects of them for months, sometimes years even after the patient feels "fine"...
There is a vast sea of medical knowledge about concussions and the lingering effects of them for months, sometimes years even after the patient feels "fine". Just because someone is not a medical doctor or does not have a medical degree, it does not mean that they are wrong. The riders safety, both short and long term, should come first, not fans' entertainment and how quickly a rider can get back out there.
They are when they argue with somebody that does....unless they are an expert in the field...which none of these guys are.
In other threads on this subject you have had a few MD's and Eddie comment, but yet they still want to argue from there recliner....doesn't that sound a bit silly??
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DonM 1/17/2016 9:45am
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mxb2 wrote:
So you posted to tell him to stop posting , ok. Lol.
Ummmmm...No...not quite sure where you got that from, my point was that people that have no knowledge shouldn't argue with those that do.

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ToolMaker 1/17/2016 9:51am
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Everyone has a different tolerance....... There is a scientific standard and if he passes the standard its up to HIM after that. Everyone is different. Its...
Everyone has a different tolerance....... There is a scientific standard and if he passes the standard its up to HIM after that. Everyone is different. Its really ignorant to think that everyone has the same body/mind.

I had a spiral fracture of my Tibia in high school, and the doctors said it would take 12 months before I could wrestle at the same level again... 6 months later I was running 6 miles before wrestling practice everyday, and went on to win Area and place 5th in state 3 months later. I was cleared to wrestle "at my own pace" after 6 months, and the rest was up to me.... so I went for it.

No one is the same... they set standards according to statistics, and the rest is up to the person.
Isn't that a little like asking a drunk if they are too drunk to drive? You are expecting them to make the decision while they may or may not be affected by the very condition you are asking them to decide if they are affected by.
And if you think that last sentence was confusing, read it while you are drunk. Laughing Laughing
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mxb2 1/17/2016 9:54am
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mxb2 wrote:
So you posted to tell him to stop posting , ok. Lol.
DonM wrote:
Ummmmm...No...not quite sure where you got that from, my point was that people that have no knowledge shouldn't argue with those that do.
Agreed, but thats the downfall of the internet. , on the other hand who knows what anyone knows lol. There are some pretty smart people out there. , and some not so much lol. Example when the one poster said to another , you wdnt say shit to peicks face. How do you know the other guy is not a trained fighter. Vital posters will bash other posters. But defend total strangers in the industry , lol. Classic.
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philG 1/17/2016 9:55am
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DonM wrote:
Ummmmm...No...not quite sure where you got that from, my point was that people that have no knowledge shouldn't argue with those that do.
Im not arguing , im just struggling to understand how someone can be on the track , but not be cleared, and at what point they would be.

And im not the only one.

But as long as you think its all fine and dandy , i guess its all OK
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seph 1/17/2016 9:56am
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I'm a little confused that no one is focusing on the fact that Eddie, a member of the medical crew, stated that a rider is not deemed fit to ride untill AFTER practice.

Edit..... Phil kinda beat me to it.
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philG 1/17/2016 10:06am
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ToolMaker wrote:
Isn't that a little like asking a drunk if they are too drunk to drive? You are expecting them to make the decision while they may...
Isn't that a little like asking a drunk if they are too drunk to drive? You are expecting them to make the decision while they may or may not be affected by the very condition you are asking them to decide if they are affected by.
And if you think that last sentence was confusing, read it while you are drunk. Laughing Laughing
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That made me laugh .

more truth there than you would ever realise.
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Mia 1/17/2016 10:24am
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Glade he decided not to ride.
He's gonna wanna read books to his kids someday.
travis-grant 1/17/2016 11:06am
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zehn wrote:
RacerX tweeted that he's out for the night after not feeling well after the first timed practice. Probably a good idea for him.
is it just me or is this starting to get boring.

riders without a ride next year will be stewart and wilson.
travis-grant 1/17/2016 11:29am
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its sad to see him just go further and further downhill.

its either pull off because hes not winning or practice and decide not to race and so on, its frustrating as a fan.
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zehn wrote:
RacerX tweeted that he's out for the night after not feeling well after the first timed practice. Probably a good idea for him.
travis-grant wrote:
is it just me or is this starting to get boring.

riders without a ride next year will be stewart and wilson.
Wilson without a ride? Give me a break
travis-grant 1/17/2016 11:40am
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zehn wrote:
RacerX tweeted that he's out for the night after not feeling well after the first timed practice. Probably a good idea for him.
travis-grant wrote:
is it just me or is this starting to get boring.

riders without a ride next year will be stewart and wilson.
RG1 wrote:
Wilson without a ride? Give me a break
yep, a top ride anyway. He is constantly failing to finish a season and get wins or even podiums, KTM will not be happy with that in my opinion.

Hopefully last nights heat is the start of something
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Cygnus 1/17/2016 11:40am
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RG1 wrote:
Wilson without a ride? Give me a break
Stewart without a ride? Gimme a break.


There fixed it for ya.
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RG1 1/17/2016 11:42am
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RG1 wrote:
Wilson without a ride? Give me a break
Cygnus wrote:
Stewart without a ride? Gimme a break.


There fixed it for ya.
Well Stewart already has a ride for next year so I kinda just ignored that

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