2016 MXGP teams and riders...?

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11/20/2015 8:29am
themrtoad wrote:
You know the standard of MX3, so I'll leave it there. He runs his own team however so no one can say he stole a ride...
You know the standard of MX3, so I'll leave it there. He runs his own team however so no one can say he stole a ride from a better rider.

I think the system right now is quite healthy so I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm not convinced Bengtsson has earned a ride for 2016 despite watching through patriotic glasses. I hope he lands a ride though but the chances are getting smaller and smaller it seems like.

I'm also not upset that bringing a bag om money with you is important at the negotiations with a team. That's life. If you're good enough you can ask how big the teams bag of money is.
You find the system quite healthy right now?

The #9 and #11 in points, who both scored multiple top 5s and are both not old (~25) cannot land a job in Mxgp. Imo a perfect example of the system not being healthy.
11/20/2015 10:49am
bongobongo wrote:
in Europe everyone is excited chad reed is doing 2 gp's, but they should be sad Ferris and Waters leaving MXGP.
agree !!!
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11/20/2015 10:59am
When i said won Gp's , a meant Moto's not overalls, i know we went through the list, and Gercar was the slowest guy on paper , and he won in MX3, and he is still a decent rider, doing his own thing.

Anyway, its sad that the Aussie boys are out, but life is like that sometimes.
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11/20/2015 11:42am
philG wrote:
When i said won Gp's , a meant Moto's not overalls, i know we went through the list, and Gercar was the slowest guy on paper...
When i said won Gp's , a meant Moto's not overalls, i know we went through the list, and Gercar was the slowest guy on paper , and he won in MX3, and he is still a decent rider, doing his own thing.

Anyway, its sad that the Aussie boys are out, but life is like that sometimes.
Keep an eye out for Aussie Hunter Lawrence riding EMX250 next year. Depending on how next year goes, we could see him in MX2 in 2017, Although he is still only 16.

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11/20/2015 1:43pm
philG wrote:
When i said won Gp's , a meant Moto's not overalls, i know we went through the list, and Gercar was the slowest guy on paper...
When i said won Gp's , a meant Moto's not overalls, i know we went through the list, and Gercar was the slowest guy on paper , and he won in MX3, and he is still a decent rider, doing his own thing.

Anyway, its sad that the Aussie boys are out, but life is like that sometimes.
JB479 wrote:
Keep an eye out for Aussie Hunter Lawrence riding EMX250 next year. Depending on how next year goes, we could see him in MX2 in 2017...
Keep an eye out for Aussie Hunter Lawrence riding EMX250 next year. Depending on how next year goes, we could see him in MX2 in 2017, Although he is still only 16.
He has one of the most fluent styles i've seen. He got that 3rd in the world champs this year on a stock bike with pipe and his suspension only against the KTM factory boys. The people over there should keep and eye on his younger brother in the 65 and 85 classes as well.
Hunter is Australia's next big hope
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11/20/2015 1:44pm
roninho wrote:
You find the system quite healthy right now? The #9 and #11 in points, who both scored multiple top 5s and are both not old (~25)...
You find the system quite healthy right now?

The #9 and #11 in points, who both scored multiple top 5s and are both not old (~25) cannot land a job in Mxgp. Imo a perfect example of the system not being healthy.
Hey everything is relative. It is far from perfect and I already said they are worth a ride. What I meant is perhaps that it has been even worse. At least there is pressure from mx2 riders who are forced to move up.

Damn...I don't know what I mean. Besides Ferris, Waters and perhaps Watson, who do you feel are missing a ride?

It would be a lot different if you could pay 500 euro to try to qualify and make 1500 if you made the cut, but those days are gone
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11/20/2015 2:09pm
Watson isnt missing a ride , he is factory KTM in WEC... you dont turn down factory KTM.

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11/20/2015 2:24pm
philG wrote:
Watson isnt missing a ride , he is factory KTM in WEC... you dont turn down factory KTM.

A bit young to choose that path but a good career move. You can always go from grand prix mx to enduro. It's harder the other way around. If you have no options in the gp paddock it's a helluva good exit
11/20/2015 9:20pm
philG wrote:
Watson isnt missing a ride , he is factory KTM in WEC... you dont turn down factory KTM.

themrtoad wrote:
A bit young to choose that path but a good career move. You can always go from grand prix mx to enduro. It's harder the other...
A bit young to choose that path but a good career move. You can always go from grand prix mx to enduro. It's harder the other way around. If you have no options in the gp paddock it's a helluva good exit
Maybe he is getting a wage now where before he probably wasn't? Sometimes tough decisions have to be made.


AS to DRT and Monster isn't he (Steve Dixon) the official Kawasaki MX2 team now? Maybe Monster are just following Kawasaki's lead? He is certainly enjoying a higher level of support since he left Yamaha.

Covington's departure to Husqvarna could and probably is totally unrelated. Faster bikes and steps out of the monster shadows.
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11/21/2015 3:19am Edited Date/Time 11/21/2015 6:41am
themrtoad wrote:
Hey everything is relative. It is far from perfect and I already said they are worth a ride. What I meant is perhaps that it has...
Hey everything is relative. It is far from perfect and I already said they are worth a ride. What I meant is perhaps that it has been even worse. At least there is pressure from mx2 riders who are forced to move up.

Damn...I don't know what I mean. Besides Ferris, Waters and perhaps Watson, who do you feel are missing a ride?

It would be a lot different if you could pay 500 euro to try to qualify and make 1500 if you made the cut, but those days are gone
:-) I'm not sure i know what i mean as well....
On the one hand i'm ok that there are the number of rides available in MXGP as there currently are. I mean i can understand there is little marketing value in a guy that has the speed to finish 17th in points and get 3 top 10 manche/heat finishes a year.

On the other hand i feel that guys that can get top a couple of top 10 results in MXGP or a couple of top 5 results in MX2 should be able to have a 10 year career and earn some money while doing it. We are not in that situation.

Edit: These guys had no full time ride in MXGP in 2015, with in brackets their best manche result in MXGP in 2014) :
Dennis Ullrich - 4th
Marc de Reuver - 5th
Xavier Boog - 6th
Filip Bengston - 8th
Mattis Karro - 8th
Valentin teillet - 9th
Tanel Leok - 10th
Gregory Aranda - 10th
And most of them got these results in 2014 in a few gp's (not riding the full season).

I understand why MX3 is gone, and it made sense. But with MX3 gone, and with an age limit in MX2 it basically means that MXGP is geting so crowded that guys who can get top 10 (MXGP) and T5 (MX2) are missing out and moving back home, go to enduro or race nationals and a one of GP, or simply had an injury and miss out. Or some i'm not sure they even get a salary.

I don't really see a solution in the current setup. MXGP isnt'going to have 20+ rides with a salary, and MX2 will keep the age limit. As mentioned in this thread simply having a 1500 euro payment for the riders who qualify could be something (as used to be). But they got rid of this. Maybe have a ''privateer'' payment fund, so exclude the factory teams (means ~10 less to pay).
Or maybe EMX300 will grow to the level that KTM, Husqvarna and TM will make some money available to sign 1 or 2 riders each. Sort of a new MX3 where ~5-10 has beens (Leok types) from MXGP or just not made it to stay in MXGP (Ferris, Waters) can have a decent career.
11/21/2015 1:06pm
– Team Red Bull-KTM-DeCarli Antonio Cairoli (MXGP) Glenn Coldenhoff (MXGP) – Red Bull-KTM Racing Team Jeffrey Herlings (MX2) Pauls Jonass (MX2) Davy Pootjes (MX2) – HSF...
– Team Red Bull-KTM-DeCarli
Antonio Cairoli (MXGP)
Glenn Coldenhoff (MXGP)

– Red Bull-KTM Racing Team
Jeffrey Herlings (MX2)
Pauls Jonass (MX2)
Davy Pootjes (MX2)

– HSF Logistics Motorsport
Brian Bogers (MX2)
Calvin Vlaanderen (MX2)
Roberts Justs (MX2)

– Team KTM UK-Hitachi Machinery-Revo
Jake Nicholls (MXGP)
Ben Watson (MX2)

– Team STR-Wilvo-Forkrent
Shaun Simpson (MXGP)
Adam Sterry (MX2)

– Marchetti Racing-KTM
Jose Butron (MXGP)
Ivo Monticelli (MX2)
Michael Ivanov (MX2)
Christopher Valente (MX2)

-- KTM Silver Action
Jens Getteman (MX2)

– Team Sarholz-KTM
Harri Kullas (MXGP)
Dennis Ullrich (MXGP)
Angus Heidecke (MXGP)
Valtteri Malin (MXGP)

– RedBull-Husqvarna-ICE1 Racing Team
Max Nagl (MXGP)
Christophe Charlier (MXGP)

– RockstarEnergy-Nestaan-Husqvarna-JM Racing
Thomas Covington (MX2)
Max Anstie (MX2)

-- Team Massignani Husqvarna
Rui Goncalves (MXGP)

– Yamaha Motocross Team
Romain Febvre (MXGP)
Jeremy Vanhorebeek (MXGP)

– Kemea-Yamaha Racing Team
Valentin Guillod (MXGP)
Benoit Paturel (MX2)
Brent Vandoninck (MX2)

– Team Standing Construct-Wilvo-Yamaha
Aleksander Tonkov (MX2)
Julien Lieber (MX2)

– JK Racing-Yamaha
Alex Snow (MXGP)
Alfie Smith (MX2)

– MonsterEnergy-Kawasaki Racing Team
Clement Desalle (MXGP)
Jordi Tixier (MXGP)

– Team CLS-MonsterEnergy-Kawasaki
Petar Petrov (MX2)
Dylan Ferrandis (MX2)

– MonsterEnergy-Cosworth-Dixon Racing
Vsevolod Brylyakov (MX2)
Tommy Searle (MXGP)

-- Team VHR Kawwasaki
Bryan Boulard (MX2)

-- Team HNR Kawasaki
Freek van der Vlist (MX2)

– Team Red Bull Suzuki MXGP
Kevin Strijbos (MXGP)
Ben Townley (MXGP)
Steven Frossard (MXGP)

– Team Suzuki International Europe
Jeremy Seewer (MX2)
Brian Hsu (MX2)

-- Team Castrol Suzuki
Filip Bengtsson (MXGP)

– Team HRC-Martin Racing
Gautier Paulin (MXGP)
Evgeny Bobryshev (MXGP)

– 24MX-Honda Racing
Matiss Karro (MXGP)
Ken de Dycker (MXGP)

– Team Gariboldi Honda Racing
Tim Gajser (MXGP)
Jorge Zaragoza (MX2)

– JTECH Racing-Honda
Damon Graulus (MX2)
Henry Jacobi (MX2)

– Team Assomotor Honda
Alessandro Lupino (MXGP)
Kei Yamamoto (MXGP)

– TM Factory Team
Samuele Bernardini (MX2)

– Tip Top Yamaha Racing Team
Milko Potisek (MXGP)
Last update on the list just above...

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11/21/2015 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2015 1:25pm
We have to get used to that MXGP is going to an Road Racing format. We have about 26 guys in MotoGP and that is fine, i would not care for 30+ riders in MotoGP. That is what Luongo wants and it's happening, And when i watch the races on MXGP-TV.com i don't mind that there is only 25-30 riders. Who cares about who finishes 23rd? No one. I like to watch the top 10 and the amazing riders in the top 10 that are battling for victories.

Who cares about the 28th rider at the Millville national? No one.

But they should change the points system. Points should be handed to the top 15 only when there are just 20-30 riders.
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11/21/2015 1:20pm
So the 450 Suzuki team is switching from Rockstar to Red Bull? And the 250 Suzuki team will have no energy drink sponsor?
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11/21/2015 2:56pm
Motofinne wrote:
We have to get used to that MXGP is going to an Road Racing format. We have about 26 guys in MotoGP and that is fine...
We have to get used to that MXGP is going to an Road Racing format. We have about 26 guys in MotoGP and that is fine, i would not care for 30+ riders in MotoGP. That is what Luongo wants and it's happening, And when i watch the races on MXGP-TV.com i don't mind that there is only 25-30 riders. Who cares about who finishes 23rd? No one. I like to watch the top 10 and the amazing riders in the top 10 that are battling for victories.

Who cares about the 28th rider at the Millville national? No one.

But they should change the points system. Points should be handed to the top 15 only when there are just 20-30 riders.
The difference is that MotoGP has a 3rd class where good riders not good enough for a top 10-15 ride in motogp can have a paid ride. the ferris and waters of motogp get a paid ride in moto2 (or Wsbk). Its what the Mika Kallios or tomas luthi make their career of (with a year or so of motogp backmarker as well).

Mxgp = motogp
Mx2 = moto3 (includibg age limit)
? = moto 2
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11/21/2015 3:08pm
– Team Red Bull-KTM-DeCarli Antonio Cairoli (MXGP) Glenn Coldenhoff (MXGP) – Red Bull-KTM Racing Team Jeffrey Herlings (MX2) Pauls Jonass (MX2) Davy Pootjes (MX2) – HSF...
– Team Red Bull-KTM-DeCarli
Antonio Cairoli (MXGP)
Glenn Coldenhoff (MXGP)

– Red Bull-KTM Racing Team
Jeffrey Herlings (MX2)
Pauls Jonass (MX2)
Davy Pootjes (MX2)

– HSF Logistics Motorsport
Brian Bogers (MX2)
Calvin Vlaanderen (MX2)
Roberts Justs (MX2)

– Team KTM UK-Hitachi Machinery-Revo
Jake Nicholls (MXGP)
Ben Watson (MX2)

– Team STR-Wilvo-Forkrent
Shaun Simpson (MXGP)
Adam Sterry (MX2)

– Marchetti Racing-KTM
Jose Butron (MXGP)
Ivo Monticelli (MX2)
Michael Ivanov (MX2)
Christopher Valente (MX2)

-- KTM Silver Action
Jens Getteman (MX2)

– Team Sarholz-KTM
Harri Kullas (MXGP)
Dennis Ullrich (MXGP)
Angus Heidecke (MXGP)
Valtteri Malin (MXGP)

– RedBull-Husqvarna-ICE1 Racing Team
Max Nagl (MXGP)
Christophe Charlier (MXGP)

– RockstarEnergy-Nestaan-Husqvarna-JM Racing
Thomas Covington (MX2)
Max Anstie (MX2)

-- Team Massignani Husqvarna
Rui Goncalves (MXGP)

– Yamaha Motocross Team
Romain Febvre (MXGP)
Jeremy Vanhorebeek (MXGP)

– Kemea-Yamaha Racing Team
Valentin Guillod (MXGP)
Benoit Paturel (MX2)
Brent Vandoninck (MX2)

– Team Standing Construct-Wilvo-Yamaha
Aleksander Tonkov (MX2)
Julien Lieber (MX2)

– JK Racing-Yamaha
Alex Snow (MXGP)
Alfie Smith (MX2)

– MonsterEnergy-Kawasaki Racing Team
Clement Desalle (MXGP)
Jordi Tixier (MXGP)

– Team CLS-MonsterEnergy-Kawasaki
Petar Petrov (MX2)
Dylan Ferrandis (MX2)

– MonsterEnergy-Cosworth-Dixon Racing
Vsevolod Brylyakov (MX2)
Tommy Searle (MXGP)

-- Team VHR Kawwasaki
Bryan Boulard (MX2)

-- Team HNR Kawasaki
Freek van der Vlist (MX2)

– Team Red Bull Suzuki MXGP
Kevin Strijbos (MXGP)
Ben Townley (MXGP)
Steven Frossard (MXGP)

– Team Suzuki International Europe
Jeremy Seewer (MX2)
Brian Hsu (MX2)

-- Team Castrol Suzuki
Filip Bengtsson (MXGP)

– Team HRC-Martin Racing
Gautier Paulin (MXGP)
Evgeny Bobryshev (MXGP)

– 24MX-Honda Racing
Matiss Karro (MXGP)
Ken de Dycker (MXGP)

– Team Gariboldi Honda Racing
Tim Gajser (MXGP)
Jorge Zaragoza (MX2)

– JTECH Racing-Honda
Damon Graulus (MX2)
Henry Jacobi (MX2)

– Team Assomotor Honda
Alessandro Lupino (MXGP)
Kei Yamamoto (MXGP)

– TM Factory Team
Samuele Bernardini (MX2)

– Tip Top Yamaha Racing Team
Milko Potisek (MXGP)
Last update on the list just above...

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Do all teams go to the overseas races? I believe some teams cant afford it?
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11/21/2015 4:21pm
Motofinne wrote:
We have to get used to that MXGP is going to an Road Racing format. We have about 26 guys in MotoGP and that is fine...
We have to get used to that MXGP is going to an Road Racing format. We have about 26 guys in MotoGP and that is fine, i would not care for 30+ riders in MotoGP. That is what Luongo wants and it's happening, And when i watch the races on MXGP-TV.com i don't mind that there is only 25-30 riders. Who cares about who finishes 23rd? No one. I like to watch the top 10 and the amazing riders in the top 10 that are battling for victories.

Who cares about the 28th rider at the Millville national? No one.

But they should change the points system. Points should be handed to the top 15 only when there are just 20-30 riders.
roninho wrote:
The difference is that MotoGP has a 3rd class where good riders not good enough for a top 10-15 ride in motogp can have a paid...
The difference is that MotoGP has a 3rd class where good riders not good enough for a top 10-15 ride in motogp can have a paid ride. the ferris and waters of motogp get a paid ride in moto2 (or Wsbk). Its what the Mika Kallios or tomas luthi make their career of (with a year or so of motogp backmarker as well).

Mxgp = motogp
Mx2 = moto3 (includibg age limit)
? = moto 2
True, but MotoGP is way bigger than mx and sx. They can afford to have 3 classes where people have good rides!
11/21/2015 4:24pm
Mel Pocock has aged out of MX2.
11/22/2015 1:15am
darren7878 wrote:
Mel Pocock has aged out of MX2.
Only brit' championship in that case...
11/22/2015 1:19am
Do all teams go to the overseas races? I believe some teams cant afford it?
Sarholz KTM team won't go oversea. Probably JK Yamaha too...
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11/22/2015 3:08am
How is the TM mxgp bike? What's the engine and chassi like? I guess it's a very "italian" team. Do you think Filip would fit in well?

Being a factory team I guess there should even be some salary involved?

I am surprised TM didn't go after Boog, Aranda or even Tanel Leok but a really good chance for Filip if true.
11/22/2015 3:19am
themrtoad wrote:
How is the TM mxgp bike? What's the engine and chassi like? I guess it's a very "italian" team. Do you think Filip would fit in...
How is the TM mxgp bike? What's the engine and chassi like? I guess it's a very "italian" team. Do you think Filip would fit in well?

Being a factory team I guess there should even be some salary involved?

I am surprised TM didn't go after Boog, Aranda or even Tanel Leok but a really good chance for Filip if true.
It's just a possibility, nothing more at the moment.

But yes, I think it would be a smart choice for both (rider and team).
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11/22/2015 9:33am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2015 12:47pm
Sure hope TM will be a lot easier to work with than in the past, if Bengtsson ends up there. Not a good move in my eyes.
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11/22/2015 12:11pm
Herlings stays in MX2.
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11/22/2015 12:52pm
DeStouwer wrote:
Herlings stays in MX2.
i honestly believe that he is a HUGE talent that is ultimately being wasted staying in MX2, i understand he's still young, has many years in front of him, KTM don't want him clashing with Cairoli etc etc, but lets not forget one thing if it wasn't for injuries he would of won the last 4 MX2 titles!! Ok so theres an argument that we can always say if, buts and maybes but in the two years he didn't win he was still the fastest MX2 guy, theres no denying that. IMO he NEEDS to progress up to MX1 asap!
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11/22/2015 1:56pm
DeStouwer wrote:
Herlings stays in MX2.
What's your source?
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11/22/2015 3:38pm
mxlarge.com jeffrey didnt say he was staying mx2 though just said he hopes to get the championship. i still think the decision isn't made yet
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11/22/2015 3:52pm
darren7878 wrote:
Mel Pocock has aged out of MX2.
How is his hand doing after smashing it all to hell, and losing half his thumb? Did he make a full recovery?
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11/22/2015 4:00pm
He was racing minibikes the other week, and won, and is back on a big bike preparing for 2016 , British MX2 and EMX250 .

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