6D concussions

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Boarddesign 10/27/2015 8:52am
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I've seen a handful of kids knocked out in a 6D. I've also seen many others in other brands K.O.'d as well. I applaud the manufactures who are at least trying to help the impact be reduced but fact of the matter is that you can only do so much. My son wore a 6D for the first time last week (dumb dad forgot his helmet and borrowed one from a buddy) he said it was really comfortable and it ventilated nicely.
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KAB 10/27/2015 9:15am
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I purchased a 6D helmet two months ago but was injured and hadn't used it yet. I raced out in D38 this weekend and used my new 6D helmet but didnt really think about the helmet as it was my first race back in over a year, so I kinda forgot I was wearing one. Half way through, a guy crashed in front of me and I couldn't avoid his bike and so I crashed. It was more of a medium/low speed crash into my right side and head, and then a steady drag along the right side with the ground pounding my head down towards my chest. Not a bad crash but usually I would get up a little dazed and fuzzy and try to remount, and ride for a bit til I get my groove back.

I realized afterwards I never got that fuzzy feeling and was clear as normal after the crash. Was able to instantly think clear and ran back up the mound to flag other riders away from the danger. Some scratches on the helmet from the sliding on the ground but nothing major. It could have just been the way I crashed that resulted in this, but from what I understand, these are the types of impacts the 6D was designed to help with. I've crashed like that many times and have never had that clear of focus and thinking afterwards. Im pretty impressed.
m121c 10/27/2015 9:21am
10/27/2015 9:21am
mx965 wrote:
There is a kid that lives around me who is currently in the hospital. He fell at a local track, I hear from people there he...
There is a kid that lives around me who is currently in the hospital. He fell at a local track, I hear from people there he did not fall that hard, got back on the bike rode a half a lap pulled off the track and passed out. He is in the hospital right now with major memory loss. He was also in a coma for a day I believe. With the RJ hampshire thing recently and the guy who posted in the other thread about concussions it got me thinking. I would like to hear if anyone else heard about concussions exclusively with this new helmet technology.
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Start thinking a little bit more, You didn't see the crash yourself so don't know the speed or angle( there are 1000's of variables in a...
Start thinking a little bit more, You didn't see the crash yourself so don't know the speed or angle( there are 1000's of variables in a crash) but you believe the brand of helmet has a bigger variable in the result.

base you opinion on what you can touch and feel, not on internet hearsay.

how your helmet fits YOU and it's construction will make a far bigger impact in the protection.
Couldn't agree more with you Roscoe33 on the fit of the helmet. Many people don't realize the fit is just as important as what helmet you are wearing. You can have a 6D... the theory behind it is all well and great, but all of it get's thrown out the window if the helmet doesn't fit right.

Personally the 3D scanning technology Bell has for their Flex is next level... unfortunately unless your a top 10 pro it's crazy expensive. Don't quote me on it, but I think it's around $2k?

I wonder if helmets will start to be like knee braces? Custom fitted helmets paid for by insurance and prescribed by the doctor? I would rather save my head then my knees...
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Grizz 10/27/2015 9:22am
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A huge factor in the amount of concussions that have been had in a certain helmet is how many people are wearing that helmet. Take the latest generation of Shoei's for example. If you had data for all the concussions received in every helmet, I bet you Shoei would be in the top 3 simply because so many people wear them. Meanwhile HJC would look super safe because whens the last time you saw someone wearing an HJC helmet? 6D is a very popular helmet these days, therefore more injuries are going be reported while wearing one.

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GeorgiePorgie 10/27/2015 11:56am
10/27/2015 11:56am
The brain floats around per say in your skull. A big impact will take that jelly layer and your brain, and smash it up against the inside of your skull.

Atleast with the 6d it prevents a sudden jolt by having give with its liner. Theoretically reducing the hard impact and maybe reduce he brain smash event that happens when our heads Come to a stop in a crash.
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NATEP231 10/27/2015 12:00pm
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NATEP231 wrote:
[vid]https://instagram.com/p/6wBZA1i63i/[/vid] cheek pad fell out of the helmet
Hut wrote:
Wow that was rough! I hope he is doing alright. What helmet?
It was a 6D. I believe he's doing good I know he had some other broken bones but I think he is getting ready to ride again or might have thrown a leg over the bike already.
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Bob Weber and his darling wife, left.
Brad Waldron on the right.
(Photo's not great...I was walking)

Together they represent the competing brands, 6D & Kali. They talk...quite a bit. They talk about safer and better helmets and how to "get there". I'm just stoked that we've got a couple of co-conspirators motivated to make our sport safer.
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Hut 10/27/2015 12:11pm
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NATEP231 wrote:
[vid]https://instagram.com/p/6wBZA1i63i/[/vid] cheek pad fell out of the helmet
Hut wrote:
Wow that was rough! I hope he is doing alright. What helmet?
NATEP231 wrote:
It was a 6D. I believe he's doing good I know he had some other broken bones but I think he is getting ready to ride...
It was a 6D. I believe he's doing good I know he had some other broken bones but I think he is getting ready to ride again or might have thrown a leg over the bike already.
Glad to hear he is doing ok. I wonder if the cheek pad is a defect or just a fluke or?
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Hut 10/27/2015 12:15pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/27/109142/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Bob Weber and his darling wife, left. Brad Waldron on the right. (Photo's not great...I was walking) Together they represent the competing brands, 6D &...


Bob Weber and his darling wife, left.
Brad Waldron on the right.
(Photo's not great...I was walking)

Together they represent the competing brands, 6D & Kali. They talk...quite a bit. They talk about safer and better helmets and how to "get there". I'm just stoked that we've got a couple of co-conspirators motivated to make our sport safer.
That is a good thing. Do you happen to know where the Kali protectives factory is located?
Donny Robinson 10/27/2015 12:50pm
10/27/2015 12:50pm
I guess I'll chime in here since my name has been (a little inaccurately) thrown into the mix.

I have not compiled any such "data" comparing helmet brands and their effectiveness. I have, however, done a lot of on (and off) the bike testing over the course of my BMX career - but only with the FLY, Kali, Arai and currently, 6D, brands.

Guess what? I've got a concussion in every single one of them. This is because NO helmet will 100% protect you from a concussion - not now, and not in the foreseeable future. In my 26 year career, I have had at least 26 concussions (yeah, it's my thing) and thankfully, I've faired quite well compared to other people, as everyone reacts and recovers differently. It was only a few years ago that I started to finally see the necessity to properly protect and recover from brain trauma. I was finally feeling their side effects catching up with me and it's often we have to learn from our own experiences, rather than the warnings from others.

From 2010-2013 I had received 8 knock-out concussions. I went from FLY, to Kali, to Arai, searching for a savior of sorts; my career and life were hanging in the balance. I finally switched to 6D about 26 months ago, hoping their technology would be the answer. And it was... for 24 months. It's been 7 weeks now since I got a concussion in the 6D. I was bummed, don't get me wrong, but I don't believe I got knocked out, I walked away from the crash, and was concussion-free for the 2 years prior. That's a victory for me.

All helmets are not the same and for me, with what is currently available, 6D is my go-to. In-the-field testing is all the "data" that matters to me and 6D has earned my trust.

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GuyB 10/27/2015 1:24pm
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Donny Robinson wrote:
I guess I'll chime in here since my name has been (a little inaccurately) thrown into the mix. I have not compiled any such "data" comparing...
I guess I'll chime in here since my name has been (a little inaccurately) thrown into the mix.

I have not compiled any such "data" comparing helmet brands and their effectiveness. I have, however, done a lot of on (and off) the bike testing over the course of my BMX career - but only with the FLY, Kali, Arai and currently, 6D, brands.

Guess what? I've got a concussion in every single one of them. This is because NO helmet will 100% protect you from a concussion - not now, and not in the foreseeable future. In my 26 year career, I have had at least 26 concussions (yeah, it's my thing) and thankfully, I've faired quite well compared to other people, as everyone reacts and recovers differently. It was only a few years ago that I started to finally see the necessity to properly protect and recover from brain trauma. I was finally feeling their side effects catching up with me and it's often we have to learn from our own experiences, rather than the warnings from others.

From 2010-2013 I had received 8 knock-out concussions. I went from FLY, to Kali, to Arai, searching for a savior of sorts; my career and life were hanging in the balance. I finally switched to 6D about 26 months ago, hoping their technology would be the answer. And it was... for 24 months. It's been 7 weeks now since I got a concussion in the 6D. I was bummed, don't get me wrong, but I don't believe I got knocked out, I walked away from the crash, and was concussion-free for the 2 years prior. That's a victory for me.

All helmets are not the same and for me, with what is currently available, 6D is my go-to. In-the-field testing is all the "data" that matters to me and 6D has earned my trust.

Thanks,

Donny Robinson
BMX Racer | Motivational Speaker | Instructor | Advocate
2008 Olympic Bronze Medalist
Thanks, Donny.
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Starcrossed 10/27/2015 3:37pm
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^^^ x2

Really appreciate Donny's input. Great first post.
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neysbo 10/27/2015 4:56pm
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There is really no third party solid proof that a 6D is any better, kinda like the Leatt brace when it came it.

I would agree no helmet can prevent all concussions , the idea is to minimize major head injury.
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Mr. Info 10/27/2015 5:17pm
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Guy is right the CE standard is for a more flexible and softer shell and if you look inside they have crush zones that also work for ventilation. They believe the helmet should absorb the impact not deflect it like they are made for Snell here. That's why they are lighter as well. And some have small shell sizes also. I don't believe I agreed with Guy.
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d5hystat 10/27/2015 9:09pm
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mx965 wrote:
There is a kid that lives around me who is currently in the hospital. He fell at a local track, I hear from people there he...
There is a kid that lives around me who is currently in the hospital. He fell at a local track, I hear from people there he did not fall that hard, got back on the bike rode a half a lap pulled off the track and passed out. He is in the hospital right now with major memory loss. He was also in a coma for a day I believe. With the RJ hampshire thing recently and the guy who posted in the other thread about concussions it got me thinking. I would like to hear if anyone else heard about concussions exclusively with this new helmet technology.
I believe one of the key factors in this young mans case is how many concussions he's had this summer. I have heard he has had quite a few.... If that is the case, it would explain the moderate hit causing him problems. (I hope he makes a full recovery!)
And if he has indeed had multiple concussions recently,, has his helmets been replaced after each concussion? I think way too many kids take significant hits and continue to use that helmet.
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AR319 10/28/2015 5:07am
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I figured this could be good for a first post. I choose to go with a 6D due to the fact when I got out of motcross a few years ago was because I suffered a traumatic brain injury in return I have developed post traumatic epilepsy. I've had quite a few crashes in the 6D a lot of slow ones but one big one in particular. It was while avoiding someone while landing on a big step up. The landing was watered a ton so very slick and landed off to side caused rear to slide out and highside down the landing basically straight to my head. I wasn't knocked out or anything but I psyched myself out because hit my head so hard and the just the fact knowing I can't be doing that. Just the crash alone made me realize made the right decision.
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joeellis 10/28/2015 5:09am
10/28/2015 5:09am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2015 5:12am
After reading thris thread in its entirety, I'm left with a couple of thoughts. First, I am also thankful for these companies that are extensively testing new designs to make us all safer. More importantly, after the number of concussions that some have had, is this hobby/profession really worth it to you in the long run?

I'm being somewhat facetious here, because I know what everyone's answer is, but after a considerable number of concussions (or substantial injury for that matter), a person's well being has to be a consideration. This is the reason I chuckle to myself when reading all these negative posts about certain riders being too cautious or retiring too early. If all goes well, these guys will still have 2/3's of their life to live.

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