1978 C2 RM250 frame fix and engine mods?

riv187
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Hi , I read before about plating frame on this RM. Anyone have a picture or good description of what to do? Also,,any power mods for the engine? I have a DG reed cage on a 79 RM125. They where a casting that had short reed on top/ and I can see how to modify a stocker on RM250 to add another set as well...anyone done that?
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10/20/2015 6:13am
Are you talking about adding gussets to the frame?
Your KX needs it way more than the Suzuki
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As far as the engine mods, you can use the same cylinder mods as addressed in the 79 RM thread below, includes pictures. I was never a big fan of the after market reed valves flattened bottom end performance for me. Spend your money on suspension up-grades you will be able to attack the track much harder, even with the stock tune.
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My C2 frame broke about 1 inch fwd. of the foot pegs on the lower cradle tubes. I formed and gas welded a 360 deg strap repair around the straight part of the tubes.
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10/20/2015 11:48am
riv187 wrote:
Hi , I read before about plating frame on this RM. Anyone have a picture or good description of what to do? Also,,any power mods for...
Hi , I read before about plating frame on this RM. Anyone have a picture or good description of what to do? Also,,any power mods for the engine? I have a DG reed cage on a 79 RM125. They where a casting that had short reed on top/ and I can see how to modify a stocker on RM250 to add another set as well...anyone done that?
As far as power mods, I mostly ran the stock modified cage as you are talking about
doing. I never saw any downside to that mod. To take full advantage on the 250/370
you need to cut the rear of the sleeve. I usually cut a large "thumbnail" shaped area from
the rear of the sleeve. the EC Birt cylinder a friend/coworker had done on his 78 250 had
a large slot milled/beveled through the backside for the 4 pedal setup.

Later I purchased an EC Birt 3 pedal billet reed (3 reeds on top), at the same time I had
my bike down for new mains etc. and noticed the areas in the crankcase by the reed area
had plenty of room to grind Boyesen ports (which I did), this setup worked REALLY well.
I suspect similar grinding to work well with the 4 pedal/stock mod & especially if the rear
sleeve is not cut. The cylinder porting is pretty modest and has a lot of potential, DG pipe
pulls better off corners and revs a lot quicker but not as much on top, they seem to like
more compression ( I ran a Webco head, the only Rm250 one I've seen ), did run the 79
OEM single ring piston "lighter) as well as the 79 second gear (same ratio but I broke 2
78 2nd gears when landing with throttle on, never with late version 79). Hope this helps, R.
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riv187 wrote:
Hi , I read before about plating frame on this RM. Anyone have a picture or good description of what to do? Also,,any power mods for...
Hi , I read before about plating frame on this RM. Anyone have a picture or good description of what to do? Also,,any power mods for the engine? I have a DG reed cage on a 79 RM125. They where a casting that had short reed on top/ and I can see how to modify a stocker on RM250 to add another set as well...anyone done that?
RiV wrote:
As far as power mods, I mostly ran the stock modified cage as you are talking about doing. I never saw any downside to that mod...
As far as power mods, I mostly ran the stock modified cage as you are talking about
doing. I never saw any downside to that mod. To take full advantage on the 250/370
you need to cut the rear of the sleeve. I usually cut a large "thumbnail" shaped area from
the rear of the sleeve. the EC Birt cylinder a friend/coworker had done on his 78 250 had
a large slot milled/beveled through the backside for the 4 pedal setup.

Later I purchased an EC Birt 3 pedal billet reed (3 reeds on top), at the same time I had
my bike down for new mains etc. and noticed the areas in the crankcase by the reed area
had plenty of room to grind Boyesen ports (which I did), this setup worked REALLY well.
I suspect similar grinding to work well with the 4 pedal/stock mod & especially if the rear
sleeve is not cut. The cylinder porting is pretty modest and has a lot of potential, DG pipe
pulls better off corners and revs a lot quicker but not as much on top, they seem to like
more compression ( I ran a Webco head, the only Rm250 one I've seen ), did run the 79
OEM single ring piston "lighter) as well as the 79 second gear (same ratio but I broke 2
78 2nd gears when landing with throttle on, never with late version 79). Hope this helps, R.
Thanks for reply. Do you mean holes from the intake tract to main transfer on each side as 'boysen port" ? I thought this worked only when there was a reed cage at intake / not down underneath?
I have a 78 EC Birt rm125 engine,and it has a 3 pedal cage in it. Never seen one before or after. The DG Reed cage(R&R) I have on another 78 RM125 motor I found actually uses boysen 79 KX250 pedals. The thin ones fit the top side and clipped down shorter for stubby ones underneath. I think they added top end to the 125.
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10/22/2015 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/22/2015 12:16pm
They do only work with full reed from the intake, Boyesen port is probably
not the best description. Picture you have the cases apart and 1 half in hand,
set the cylinder w/o case reed installed. When you look at the area where the
cylinder sleeve & the engine case meet in the case reed area, imagine a nice
radiused port leading into the transfer port from the case area. Not really much
work on the cylinder sleeve itself but on the cases, I always put epoxy on the
outside of the case for good measure but never ground through. Hope that makes
sense, if not pm me & I will give you my cell phone# or help you with the mods,
pro bono.

If you have one of the old Eric Gorr mx handbooks, 95ish?, there is a pic on a
KX80? cyl where they grind a similar port on the sleeve itself. Its the same
except on the cases, basically reverse. But the mod I'm talking about would
be to the t of what you would get in 1982 if you sent an RM80 motor to R&D
racing (Rudy & Dean): case mods, blueprinted cyl, alignment pinned head &
they worked quite well.

PS. I think your 3 pedal is most likely the same setup I had, if I remember right, 1980ish
KX 250 reeds will fit it, should work well. There was an old MXA or Dirtbike arcticle that
EC did an RM400, article was called Project RM422, I think. Used a Maico 2mm larger
piston & the 3 pedal reed like yours. Cheers.



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