For the newbs: there is only 1 GOAT. Just because you "think" someone is dominant, he's not.

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bob567 9/22/2015 7:17pm
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The beauty of the sporting world is we all have our own idea of what creates hero's and icons. For some it's the dominate. For some its the underdog. For some its the individual that had a profound effect on our lives regardless of results. Our sport has a rich history of all of these. I lost interest in watching supercross during the McGrath era. I lost interest in watching motocross during the Carmichael era. To me the greatest riders where Bob Hannah, Rick Johnson and James Stewart. Win, lose or crash they were entertaining to watch. Always a threat to win and always in dramatic fashion.
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Even people that never heard of MX could look at the record books and know that RC is far and away the greatest in the history of the sport.

Forget about the wins. Look at the record books and try to find the the 2nd place or worse finishes or dnf or dns. The list is very very short. I believe in 10 years , 120 nationals he never failed to show up and start a race and had one dnf.

As far as supercross who cares. But if you do, only MC has a better record. And RC is the guy who figured out how to beat MC and once he did he dominated MC. MC would have won a couple more titles if not for RC.
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BSmooth13 9/23/2015 5:07am
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ridge wrote:
I was just messin with you bud...that's what the smiley face was for...didn't mean to piss you off.
Smile We good. If I ever let vital actually piss me off, I'll know I've gone too deep down the rabbit hole
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peelout 9/23/2015 8:51am
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jeffro503 wrote:
For sure brother. I was surprised how many people from vital were there. Hell of a time. Few of the guys were saying they wish you...
For sure brother. I was surprised how many people from vital were there. Hell of a time. Few of the guys were saying they wish you could of made it. Bunch of really cool fucking people i met yesterday. Freakin Preston Petty came over and hung with us most of the day too!!
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I gotta get up there quick before it starts raining. My buddy (Ben Binkley) got hurt really bad up there and I need to go visit...
I gotta get up there quick before it starts raining. My buddy (Ben Binkley) got hurt really bad up there and I need to go visit him.

Do you trail ride or is it all moto?
got room for one more? lol

i'm ready for a road-trip to the PNW and some epic single-track





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BobbyM 9/23/2015 9:15am
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RV was/is a complete badass, but he's no GOAT. Tomac schooled everybody for the first 5 motos this year, but he doesn't even come close, especially...
RV was/is a complete badass, but he's no GOAT. Tomac schooled everybody for the first 5 motos this year, but he doesn't even come close, especially outdoors. Dungey isn't going to beat Ricky's records.

Compare to Ricky's '02-'06 seasons...crushing 109 moto wins out of 120 chances. In that 5 year span, his worst year was in '06, when he lost 5 motos = domination.

That doesn't include his first big bike season when he "only" won 14 motos, or his second season where he "only" won 13. Then, in his part-time (retirement) season, he won 9 out of the 12 motos he entered.

So, when the question comes up about who would have won what, if only they were there, RC is always the answer. It's pretty simple. Or, to put it another way, think of Martin winning every outdoor title, and almost every moto, until 2023. That's what it would take to dethrone the GOAT.
well in the amps world who's the goat...you or that Shultz dude?

I'm going with you...Smile
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BobbyM 9/23/2015 10:25am
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jeffro503 wrote:
There never will be one guy that is best at both.....ever. So most people with common sense use this thing called " reasoning " and combine...
There never will be one guy that is best at both.....ever.

So most people with common sense use this thing called " reasoning " and combine the two , because all the top guys here in the states race both series. With both combined , RC is 100% the GOAT. And besides that , MC is known as " The King " , and has been known as that for the past 15yrs. He is 100% the king of SX.

Now if we were going to split it , then you would have to split it 3 different ways. SX , Nationals and GP's. If it's just outdoor moto , then GP guys have every right to throw in names like Stefan Evert's and AC222.

But we're not really. We combine the SX and the Nationals for an " overall " leader , champion , GOAT or whatever anyone wants to call it. RC has an edge there I think too though , as he beat the very best GP rider that's ever lived , every single time they lined up together.

There isn't another rider , ever that has won more in SX , Nationals and MXoN's races as RC. And I doubt there ever will be again.

Total , most overall wins with everything combined! Period! Most well rider of our time.
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I could be wrong, but I thought Everts beat RC at least once...maybe even lapped him once in the mud. The RC vowed to become an...
I could be wrong, but I thought Everts beat RC at least once...maybe even lapped him once in the mud. The RC vowed to become an excellent mud rider, which he did.
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Also when Everts beat RC he was on a 125 vs a 250. RC and Everts lined up behind 5 gate drops in the same class...
Also when Everts beat RC he was on a 125 vs a 250. RC and Everts lined up behind 5 gate drops in the same class and every time RC won on Everts side of the world. He would have been embarrassed on a AMA track against RC.
I highly doubt that young lad...
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jnickell 9/23/2015 10:39am
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Every argument on this thread can be summed up with one word. "Perspective"

IceMan's perspective is that MC was better than RC in SX and RC was better than MC in MX. Therefore, neither of them are the GOAT. My perspective of IceMan's opinion is that he's creating a very absolute and never attained quality. He's saying that to qualify as the GOAT, you must be the best in all disciplines. Not very accurate if you ask me. Especially considering MC bowed out of outdoors very early. Some may say he could have won a lot more MX if he didn't leave. Others will say he would have simply been beating by RC anyway. I say that it allowed him to not be worn down for SX which helped his winning ways. RC retired at a younger age but probably had a quite a bit more gate drops. The fact that most of the added gate drops were in the much more grueling MX series and you may see why he quit sooner.

Some are even doing math and using active years and win totals to show win percentages. If we choose to use win percentages we must include some much deeper calculations. Yeah, RC didn't race as many SX races as MC. Based on race count and wins, is his percentage the same?

Parkboys' criteria is age + championships. Using this data, they are pretty equal when it comes to SX. This probably aligns with the percentage I mentioned above.

Someone else mentioned that they were told by someone younger that RC didn't have any competition. Somewhat true, however, it was only because he was that much better. There were plenty of guys that would have done a lot of winning if he weren't there. I wondered when his legacy would start weakening simply because of time. Those that didn't see RC race have no idea how ridiculously awesome he was. There were some that came in and went faster but it royally pissed him off and he ALWAYS figured out what to do. It may have taken a race or two to figure it out, but he always did. RC had several riding styles and bike setups. He was the king of adaptation.


He absolutely dominated in both SX and MX. Imagine if he would have focused on SX like MC. MC's 72 wins would have been decimated. As it was, he destroyed anyway.
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Forty 9/23/2015 10:59am
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RC has it hands down on paper, his record speaks volumes and when you saw him race in person it was unforgettable, and really made you appreciate the will to win that he had, only a few other riders have left that kind of impression on me....

Magoo....he was a force that could be felt as he raced by.....
Rick Johnson
Hannah
Arvee
Dungey
Townley

ok, maybe more than a few...but they all have the same iron in them.

For me the GOAT has to be Roger Decoster for total contribution to the sport as a racer, developer, team manager, influence....no one is close.






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ridge 9/23/2015 12:43pm
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BobbyM wrote:
well in the amps world who's the goat...you or that Shultz dude?

I'm going with you...Smile
Thanks man! I'd have to go with Schultz though. Even though he's about 15 years younger than me, he's missing his knee. That guy is an all around great dude.
kaidoddragon 9/23/2015 1:14pm
9/23/2015 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 9/23/2015 1:16pm
There's one GOAT: Romain Febvre. Smile
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Pauliemon 9/23/2015 2:01pm
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There was a guy before RC and there will be a guy after RC. The original Goat was Goat Breker. Look it up. Goat for it!

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