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2 - The AMA tracks are more consistently ride-able. The downside is they lack the variety you get in the MXGP series. This could be a big cause for point number one.
3 - Not grooming a track at all slows the racing down drastically which makes it difficult for the non core fans to comprehend.
4 - Luongo is a lazy piece of shit when compared to Davey Coombs. In fact most people are lazy compared to DC.
5 - Comparing RV's attempt this last season is like comparing Roczen in his rookie year here. Neither were acclimated to the series and conditions. It's just not comparable.
6 - Dungey just flat out doesn't have an interest in MXGP. . . I think it has to do with the tracks themselves rather than the actual riders. Tracks on both sides of the pond get sketchy but in their own way. Dungey has catered his riding style to the US conditions, and just doesn't want to have to change his style.
dungey would find it a lot more difficult to win in mxgp than he does in the ama series. Missing the des nations this year, is him not wanting to bruise his ego when he doesn't win (again)
Or now many euros say the Americans don't have the balls to come over
Stupid argumentation all over again.
But I can't deny I love reading those threads. Laughing is healthy I heard
Some of those tracks though were really sketchy and unsafe. Hell I think even TC or Desalle said so.
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1. A proper sand track - Florida anyone?
2. A proper hard pack track
3. A healthy Tomac - 'Captain America' passed up Team America for a spring break. I can't see Tomac doing that when America needs him most.
Whether or not it's from USA riders being "scared" (even though the real answer is somwhere between "I like making more money" and "my dream has been to race Supercross/Motocross is the United States since childhood") doesn't really matter. The fact is that more GP riders come over here to race now, and a hypothetical argument about who would be saying what if it was the other way around doesn't really amount to much.
What an insult to the GP riders.
I mean Simpson got a top 5 on a bike model he had never ridden with jet lag and on a completely different race day schedule. Those guys must suck.
Probably also why Dunge has no interest in doing the USGP.
And that bike,damn it looks so easy to ride and stable.
Fail.
He had thirteen moto wins this season.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying that Dungey couldn't win in France, I personally think he's riding as well as he ever has and is clearly in a very good place right now which is why it's such a shame that he's opted out. But clean up? Im not so sure about that.
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I think Supercross is a big part why many Euros come over and also why the US guys stay at home.
I'd just love to see some Americans come over. I've found myself cheering them on no matter who it was recently.
Dakota Alix looks like he will race MX2 next year, has anyone heard more about that?
Also if the GPs had not been dominated by Herlings and Cairoli and thus we would have had a different champ every year, you would see like 10 past World champs in the MXGP class. The amount of champions isn't really an argument for the depth of a field IMO.
For instance when Carmichael was still racing I believe the AMA had less past champs in the class but back then the class was arguably a lot faster then the respective class in Europe
But blue groove and hard pack is a surface. And everyone races the same surface.
Seems like sand gets dumped everywhere in the USA. Nobody knows how to ride a hard pack race track. They get upset because you can't push as hard as you can theough corners on a deep soiled track.
I still say if the track is garbage, the guy who wins deserved it just the same is if he were on a premium prepped deep soily track.
Frankly you're always going to have good tracks and shit tracks, simply motocross. From a technique and style point of view I personally prefer watching the GP's anyway as it's something different.
I think we're beyond the GP vs AMA level of riders argument as there's too many variables and nothings really very precise when it comes to motocross so I think it's pointless to even comment on it.
Still love the Golden Rod though, great ambassador for the sport and a fav rider. Am I the only one that noticed a few familiar names that turned around on the whole level of GP competition thing because Dungey said something?
Dungey has already Won the MxDN a few times and when it was in the USA on a track he knew instead of the other way around he crushed the field, my boy AC222 included. RD has nothing to prove, He has SX titles, MX titles, MxDN team wins and overall wins at the MxDN. Not to many guys in the history of the sport have done that.
As far as a lot of the Americans thinking the way the do, It has a lot to do with this
1988,92,96,97,98,99,00,01,04,06,08,09,10 & 11 MX2 champs came here as well as 1989,93,94,98 MX1 Champs.
Of all those world champions only 1 so far has truly excelled in a big bike indoors and out, the first one JMB. Most were very good at the nationals but SX, no.
The Best talents in the GP's have all come over in the past 15 years except for AC222 and JH84.
Langston was the next big thing he came here, Dobb wins the title after Langston leaves was never a title threat in the states(He did win 1 national though), BT instantly was a threat to Everts then came to the AMA, the only guy to beat AC222 for a title while AC was healthy the whole year came to the AMA, then the next guy Tyla was beating AC at the time of his injuries then he jumps ship. GP21 was looking like he was gonna do some damage then MM25 spanked him then comes to the AMA and finally the greatest talent since JMB and one of the greatest talents of all time Roczen makes JH his bitch and comes to the AMA. Then the only guy to keep JH in his sights last year jumps ship over to the AMA. Those are just champions that came here sans Tonus. Tommy tried it here, failed just like Max did. I am excited about who is coming next, If recent history has taught us anything its that over half of the MX2 world champions will come stateside.
I have said it plenty of times that part of what makes the AMA series harder IMO at least on paper before injuries comes into play is that we always have world champions over here as well as are guys. The joke a few years ago is that we had more world champions racing here than the GP's did.
Flame on, in this never ending argument...
you can't compare gaps from different tracks, in Europe there are rarely huge gaps. (e.g. 2011 Searle wasn't that far off of Roczen and Herlings pace, usually about 10-15 sec. In Glen Helen he was 1 minute off in both motos)
Plus new bike, new country, new track, new format, vacation, etc etc for Simmo
But Nagl has beat RV by 40 and 59 seconds in Quatar (first race for RV in Europe, same circumstances as for Simpson). How many seconds did Dungey put on RV the last time they raced outdoors? (no, I'm not being serious because these comparisons are dumb)
chad reed? he wasn't too bad indoors? for a gp rider....
tortelli also won his first supercross (granted he was a lot better outdoors than indoors) and pourcel has 2 supercross titles (we haven't seen him on the 450 indoors yet, but he will be up there you can pretty much bet your house on that) marvin too.
regarding simpson being SO FAR behind dungey? riding a borrowed bike he'd never been on before, with no testing at all, after flying straight out from lommel. You cant really compare that to if dungey was racing the nations- ryan would be on his own bike, with plenty of testing time in far off euroland. Seem to remember dungey being a long way behind the leaders most of the time at the nations the last 4 years. Shaun was riding on vacation, and had to go straight back to his regular job racing gps after Unadilla. Not the same at all is it?
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