Man shoots burglar- charged with manslaughter

Edited Date/Time 8/26/2015 12:38am
Wow...messed up.

Apparently once you leave your house, you are no longer defending yourself.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/akron-canton-news/homeowner-cha…


AKRON, Ohio - The homeowner who fatally shot a home invasion suspect in Akron earlier this month is now facing a voluntary manslaughter charge.

David Hillis, 21, turned himself in on Monday morning and appeared in Akron Municipal Court. A relative posted 10 percent of a $50,000 bond. He was released from the Summit County Jail around noon and was ordered to wear an ankle bracelet as a condition of bond.

According to Akron police, Hillis chased one of the suspects out of his home and-- from his property-- fired several shots.

Marcus Glover, 25, was shot in the head and died at the scene. His body was found in the backyard of a home two doors down.

Hillis killed Glover after police said he and another man, Terry Tart, 37, broke into the home in the 1500 block of Hilbish Avenue on Aug. 7.

Lt. Rick Edwards said Hillis was held at gunpoint until he turned the tables by grabbing his own gun, which caused the suspects to run out of the home.

Edwards said the Castle Doctrine gives homeowners the right to protect themselves inside their homes, but in this case, Hillis is not covered.

"You're not protected by the Castle Doctrine when the suspects flee your home or your property and your life is no longer in danger," Edwards said. "In this case, the suspects took off running from the house."

Hillis's father, Michael Hillis is furious that his son was charged and insists David was protecting himself in the heat of the moment.

"David was in fear for his life. These guys could have come back at any given time for the next six months when he was sleeping in the house," Michael Hillis said. "When your life is threatened or you feel that others have threatened you, you have every right to defend yourself."

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On Monday, police also charged Tart with aggravated burglary and murder. Lt. Rick Edwards said Tart is facing a murder count because he was a co-conspirator in a home invasion that led to the death of another person.

On the day of the shooting, Michael Hillis—a former Summit County sheriff's deputy—was charged with misconduct during an emergency for crossing police lines.

A NewsChannnel5 crews captured several police officers tackling Michael Hillis after warning him several times to calm down. He's due in court for a preliminary hearing on August 21.

Hillis believes the officers overreacted and said he was trying to get to his son.

"That's all I wanted to see was his presence, his well being and know that he was okay," he said.
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8/23/2015 7:32am
You cant chase a burglar down the street and shoot him in the head. However, you can attempt to arrest the burglar. If he resists with deadly force you can use deadly force to effect the arrest. If the burglar was shooting at him he'll get off. Not enough information in the story.
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8/23/2015 7:36am
Once the guy is running down the street you are literally not defending yourself.
8/23/2015 7:39am
At what point does self-defense become a public execution? It would be difficult to make that judgment in the heat of the moment. He was still on his own property when he shot, if that makes a difference.
Dad had A Kawasaki hat on. Wonder if he's a moto guy.
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8/23/2015 7:49am Edited Date/Time 8/23/2015 7:51am
Bad guy is dead and I am fine with that. If I was on the jury I'd dead lock it if I had to. My drive way is 1/3 mile long so I have no worrys if this happens. I can get my .06 out and pick em off.

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Cygnus wrote:
Bad guy is dead and I am fine with that. If I was on the jury I'd dead lock it if I had to. My drive...
Bad guy is dead and I am fine with that. If I was on the jury I'd dead lock it if I had to. My drive way is 1/3 mile long so I have no worrys if this happens. I can get my .06 out and pick em off.
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that point but when the father is saying his son was defending himself because "These guys could have come back at any given time for the next six months when he was sleeping in the house,..." it probably doesn't support his case.





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I've never had anyone point a gun at my head and think my life was about to end and it's very possible I would have done the same thing. Whether it's manslaughter or not, I might have done the same thing and it might have been worth it.
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8/23/2015 8:26am
I could definitely understand the "heat of the moment" explanation. After being held at gunpoint yourself it would be very difficult to think rationally about the exact point to stop, and I can't say that I'd make me correct decision if it were me.
8/23/2015 8:39am
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
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It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his...
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
Bullshit, You don't know Joe and don't try to make a shit statement about him because of your liberal views.
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8/23/2015 8:57am
Is there a go fund me for this guy yet? I'd give a few bucks for his defense.
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It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his...
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
Ouch, your poor asshole! You seriously might want to seek medical attention for it after pulling that out of it. Has to be a bloody mess as that was quite a stretch.
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No, As soon as they invaded his home and held him at gunpoint, they forfeited their right to live. Arresting this man stinks...
I'm hoping he didn't shoot him a couple houses away, fair game in his backyard... Maybe collapsed in different location.

Unless I heard different, I'd vote not guilty... I live a hour away...
8/23/2015 9:42am
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his...
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
Dude WTF are you talking about!!!
How about this....I'll make a more accurate presumption about what Newmann's dream is....

"Its Newmanns dream that there are never any more violent offenses against another innocent person for the rest of eternity. And to be able to go plinking targets with all of his guns without fear of paranoid gun grabbers trying to intrude on his 2nd amendment rights".

Howd I do Newmann?Smile
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It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his...
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
Hell, I trust animals over people... If someone done me wrong like that, I wouldn't mind getting a couple of confirmed
kills...
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It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his...
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
Dude WTF are you talking about!!! How about this....I'll make a more accurate presumption about what Newmann's dream is.... "Its Newmanns dream that there are never...
Dude WTF are you talking about!!!
How about this....I'll make a more accurate presumption about what Newmann's dream is....

"Its Newmanns dream that there are never any more violent offenses against another innocent person for the rest of eternity. And to be able to go plinking targets with all of his guns without fear of paranoid gun grabbers trying to intrude on his 2nd amendment rights".

Howd I do Newmann?Smile
Stop talking sense around here when there is a liberal agenda to fill. Shiftfaced will be along soon to accuse you of race baiting.Laughing
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8/23/2015 10:16am
This thread is loading up with micro aggressions.
8/23/2015 10:45am
Not carrying out street executions is only a liberal agenda? If that's the case you have got some problems over there
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This thread is loading up with micro aggressions.
And one anonymous coward of a stalker with his new screen name of the week. Probably wasn't coddled enough as a child and hates his mother.
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Not carrying out street executions is only a liberal agenda? If that's the case you have got some problems over there
Way to not pay attention...Huh
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Not carrying out street executions is only a liberal agenda? If that's the case you have got some problems over there
Don't take non-moto as a cross section of American society.
8/23/2015 10:54am
Not carrying out street executions is only a liberal agenda? If that's the case you have got some problems over there
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Way to not pay attention...Huh
I skim over the mud slinging, guess I missed the point
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8/23/2015 11:37am
Total bullshit. Burglar got what he deserved. The world is a better place now that he's gone. It's easy to sit here and say his life wasn't in danger and he should have stopped pursuing. Although I hope I'm never in that situation, I'd imagine your heart is racing and when a gun is pulled on you, you'll try to retaliate in the heat of the moment to make sure it's him and not you who gets shot. Guarantee you he didn't even realize what he was doing other than defending himself from an armed intruder by all means necessary.
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Another important vital lesson; shooting someone in the back that was running away = defending one self.
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8/23/2015 12:10pm
You can legally shoot someone in the back while they're running away if you reasonably believe they will cause imminent, immediate and lethal harm to someone else. My opinion is that armed home invasion criminals fall into this category and that should definitely be a part of his defense, imo.
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8/23/2015 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2015 12:47pm
While it is kinda fucked up that he shot them when they were running away, the criminals got what they deserved. You cant threaten the guy at gun point, practically making him believe he's a dead man, and then the tables turn, and the home invaders are now the victims. Fuck them, they shouldn't have broken in to the guys house.

I'm all for keeping our guns in America, but I do share more liberal views than not. It's almost like I choose the best logical option, rather than choosing between two shitty sides lib and cons.
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Had a gun pulled on me by a Mexican broad at the gas station this summer saying I cut her off. (I sped up and merged in front if her) I was scared shitless. Enough so I dropped to the ground and crab walked to the other side of my truck. I called the cops after I got her plate number. I haven't called to see what happened to her but may tomorrow.
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Updated news from a hour ago... Police caught the other guy involved... He just was let out last year after serving 9
years...

Akron Deputy Chief Prosecutor Craig Morgan said, “Self-defense is an affirmative defense, but people have a duty to retreat when they’re outside the home,” Morgan said. “The only place they don’t have a duty to retreat is inside the home.”

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/one-dead-and-three-arreste…
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Cygnus wrote:
Had a gun pulled on me by a Mexican broad at the gas station this summer saying I cut her off. (I sped up and merged...
Had a gun pulled on me by a Mexican broad at the gas station this summer saying I cut her off. (I sped up and merged in front if her) I was scared shitless. Enough so I dropped to the ground and crab walked to the other side of my truck. I called the cops after I got her plate number. I haven't called to see what happened to her but may tomorrow.
If she was charged or arrested, you will get a subpoena in the mail to appear.
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Updated news from a hour ago... Police caught the other guy involved... He just was let out last year after serving 9 years... [b]Akron Deputy Chief...
Updated news from a hour ago... Police caught the other guy involved... He just was let out last year after serving 9
years...

Akron Deputy Chief Prosecutor Craig Morgan said, “Self-defense is an affirmative defense, but people have a duty to retreat when they’re outside the home,” Morgan said. “The only place they don’t have a duty to retreat is inside the home.”

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/one-dead-and-three-arreste…
In my opinion he should go shoot the other guy in the back too. Should be a 24 hour rule where you're allowed.
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It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his...
It's Newmann's dream for someone to break into his property so he can shoot them. Deep down inside it would get him off to put his guns to use on a real target.
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Ouch, your poor asshole! You seriously might want to seek medical attention for it after pulling that out of it. Has to be a bloody mess...
Ouch, your poor asshole! You seriously might want to seek medical attention for it after pulling that out of it. Has to be a bloody mess as that was quite a stretch.
Not a stretch at all. Now go polish your guns and pray for an invader.

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