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DeStouwer 8/13/2015 7:40am
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VET176 wrote:
Well, this thread was going well up until now. Dry
DeStouwer wrote:
Well you can't say it isn't true either. He obviously was fishing and I got hooked so to speak. Probably a comment from a guy that...
Well you can't say it isn't true either. He obviously was fishing and I got hooked so to speak. Probably a comment from a guy that never came near the Ernée track aswell.
stillwelding wrote:
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. :P I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick"...
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. Tongue I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick" of winning all three classes in one day. And my comment about the tracks is more general. I think each country (and Europe" is not a country, but you probably think most Americans think it is) should pick, if possible, the track in their home, that suits the home team riders best. Also, I've been to about 15 to 20 GP's, all the way from Los Angeles, including the 1980 MXDeN, 1984 Trophee and MXDeN (the last of the 250 and 500 class), 1987 MXDeN New York, and Ernee 2003.
I'm Belgian.
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DeStouwer 8/13/2015 7:42am
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stillwelding wrote:
Ha Ha, what a great take on the MXDeN. The Euros want to ride on a track that the U.S. Will flounder on. We should run...
Ha Ha, what a great take on the MXDeN. The Euros want to ride on a track that the U.S. Will flounder on. We should run the race at a track that is the most difficult for them to conquer, and I think that next years race at Glen Helen, is a great choice.
DeStouwer wrote:
Bullshit. Back in 2005 when USA won not a single person complained. Now that your team isn't the strongest possible you start making excuses already.
karsmakers wrote:
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone...
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone will have to deal with that.....it just seems to me that the start is huge on this track, and that isn't...in my opinion...a great track for the nations.
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions are the same for everyone, don't you think. The winner will deserve it, no matter who will win it.

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I think the USA has more chance of winning it than Belgium, so no biased gringo here.
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stillwelding 8/13/2015 8:06am
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DeStouwer wrote:
Bullshit. Back in 2005 when USA won not a single person complained. Now that your team isn't the strongest possible you start making excuses already.
karsmakers wrote:
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone...
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone will have to deal with that.....it just seems to me that the start is huge on this track, and that isn't...in my opinion...a great track for the nations.
DeStouwer wrote:
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions...
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions are the same for everyone, don't you think. The winner will deserve it, no matter who will win it.

PS

I think the USA has more chance of winning it than Belgium, so no biased gringo here.
I try to see which team I think is going to win, by the ability of the riders, although I do support the home team. It is always the team that is best prepared and has some luck. Team France looks hard to beat, this year, and they have the home advantage as well as the momentum of being the reigning champs. This will also add additional pressure. I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in motocross. This is where the U.S. Has a huge advantage. IMO. Still I wish it was convenient for me to go, it just isn't, I really liked that area of France ( I was working in Nantes, that year) and drove up to attend in 2003.
RichardLoots 8/13/2015 8:27am
8/13/2015 8:27am
karsmakers wrote:
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone...
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone will have to deal with that.....it just seems to me that the start is huge on this track, and that isn't...in my opinion...a great track for the nations.
DeStouwer wrote:
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions...
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions are the same for everyone, don't you think. The winner will deserve it, no matter who will win it.

PS

I think the USA has more chance of winning it than Belgium, so no biased gringo here.
stillwelding wrote:
I try to see which team I think is going to win, by the ability of the riders, although I do support the home team. It...
I try to see which team I think is going to win, by the ability of the riders, although I do support the home team. It is always the team that is best prepared and has some luck. Team France looks hard to beat, this year, and they have the home advantage as well as the momentum of being the reigning champs. This will also add additional pressure. I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in motocross. This is where the U.S. Has a huge advantage. IMO. Still I wish it was convenient for me to go, it just isn't, I really liked that area of France ( I was working in Nantes, that year) and drove up to attend in 2003.
I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in motocross. This is where the U.S. Has a huge advantage

im confused ...or my english is so bad , but i really dont get what you are trying to say here Grinning

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DeStouwer wrote:
Bullshit. Back in 2005 when USA won not a single person complained. Now that your team isn't the strongest possible you start making excuses already.
karsmakers wrote:
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone...
Does it not look narrow to you? My comment has nothing to do with excuses. Obviously, if it is narrow and hard to pass on everyone will have to deal with that.....it just seems to me that the start is huge on this track, and that isn't...in my opinion...a great track for the nations.
DeStouwer wrote:
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions...
I wasn't referring to you, but fine: yes, it's narrow, yes, start is very important here and yes, passing is difficult. But the track and conditions are the same for everyone, don't you think. The winner will deserve it, no matter who will win it.

PS

I think the USA has more chance of winning it than Belgium, so no biased gringo here.
The last GP held at Ernee had loads of passing.
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stillwelding 8/13/2015 9:12am
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RichardLoots wrote:
I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in...
I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in motocross. This is where the U.S. Has a huge advantage

im confused ...or my english is so bad , but i really dont get what you are trying to say here Grinning
What I'm trying to say is that the US with 321 million people and a strong economy, by sheer numbers, should be able to have 3 strong guys every year, versus, say Finland with 5 million population and a strong economy might not have 3 world class guys to choose from every year. Hope that makes sense, and it's only an opinion, you can argue against my position all you like. Laughing
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RichardLoots wrote:
I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in...
I always think it is difficult to have 3 strong guys from the countries with smaller populations and economies, or larger populations but less interest in motocross. This is where the U.S. Has a huge advantage

im confused ...or my english is so bad , but i really dont get what you are trying to say here Grinning
stillwelding wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that the US with 321 million people and a strong economy, by sheer numbers, should be able to have 3...
What I'm trying to say is that the US with 321 million people and a strong economy, by sheer numbers, should be able to have 3 strong guys every year, versus, say Finland with 5 million population and a strong economy might not have 3 world class guys to choose from every year. Hope that makes sense, and it's only an opinion, you can argue against my position all you like. Laughing
yeah , that makes sense .... Wink
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dynohut 8/13/2015 4:15pm
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If the USA team gets through the first corner clean in both motos as Guy B always says you can stamp it! France has the perfect team at home for this race but, we are us and they are them and we have a cranky bunch of dudes for this race
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cool_hand 8/13/2015 4:27pm
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Here is the thing for team USA, we have no Carmichael now.

You need a team leader that has that commanding presence. Barcia is always balls to the walls, and Martin and Webb are street fighters, but the magnitude of the event requires real team work and a calming presence.

Given the fact that every country on the track wants to shred USA,,..it is going to be a battle.

The good,..JGR Yamaha is dialed in by now, and Gibbs and company are no strangers to winning. Martin and Webb are already teamates and have a groove, if Justin is cool with the street fighters, I think USA wins the race.

The wild card is Cooper Webb, his all or nothing style will make this an awesome MXDN.
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dirtbikemike wrote:
Ernee had a few rocks back in 82......[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/08/12/101057/s1200_ernee18.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/08/12/101058/s1200_ernee19.jpg[/img]
Ernee had a few rocks back in 82......



Well, there's something you don't see every day : a VE Hagon TT500 ( the bike in front of the Honda in the second picture). Wonderful.

And ,I don't mind the rocks.

A few blokes here should look up the condition / prep of most National / International tracks, prior to big events. Heck, I often see US tracks that aren't ripped / tilled to chocolate cake levels, when they aren't being used for a National.

Ernee's a great track, very much in the French, hillside track mold. Just, evermore a Jump Fest, like every bloody track now.
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Bigboy69 8/14/2015 6:53am
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DeStouwer wrote:
Well you can't say it isn't true either. He obviously was fishing and I got hooked so to speak. Probably a comment from a guy that...
Well you can't say it isn't true either. He obviously was fishing and I got hooked so to speak. Probably a comment from a guy that never came near the Ernée track aswell.
stillwelding wrote:
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. :P I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick"...
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. Tongue I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick" of winning all three classes in one day. And my comment about the tracks is more general. I think each country (and Europe" is not a country, but you probably think most Americans think it is) should pick, if possible, the track in their home, that suits the home team riders best. Also, I've been to about 15 to 20 GP's, all the way from Los Angeles, including the 1980 MXDeN, 1984 Trophee and MXDeN (the last of the 250 and 500 class), 1987 MXDeN New York, and Ernee 2003.
DeStouwer wrote:
I'm Belgian.
Not unless Bel stands for Germany ..Have you never heard of Ken De Roczen hahaha
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stillwelding 8/14/2015 7:11am
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stillwelding wrote:
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. :P I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick"...
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. Tongue I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick" of winning all three classes in one day. And my comment about the tracks is more general. I think each country (and Europe" is not a country, but you probably think most Americans think it is) should pick, if possible, the track in their home, that suits the home team riders best. Also, I've been to about 15 to 20 GP's, all the way from Los Angeles, including the 1980 MXDeN, 1984 Trophee and MXDeN (the last of the 250 and 500 class), 1987 MXDeN New York, and Ernee 2003.
DeStouwer wrote:
I'm Belgian.
Bigboy69 wrote:
Not unless Bel stands for Germany ..Have you never heard of Ken De Roczen hahaha
My answer was for MXMasta.
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karsmakers 8/14/2015 10:09am
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cool_hand wrote:
Here is the thing for team USA, we have no Carmichael now. You need a team leader that has that commanding presence. Barcia is always balls...
Here is the thing for team USA, we have no Carmichael now.

You need a team leader that has that commanding presence. Barcia is always balls to the walls, and Martin and Webb are street fighters, but the magnitude of the event requires real team work and a calming presence.

Given the fact that every country on the track wants to shred USA,,..it is going to be a battle.

The good,..JGR Yamaha is dialed in by now, and Gibbs and company are no strangers to winning. Martin and Webb are already teamates and have a groove, if Justin is cool with the street fighters, I think USA wins the race.

The wild card is Cooper Webb, his all or nothing style will make this an awesome MXDN.
The JGR is dialed in for AMA events. GP events require some changes to the engine/exhaust/fuel...so don't make any assumptions. What are the actual changes required to make to an AMA bike?
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FlaNard 8/14/2015 1:05pm
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cool_hand wrote:
Here is the thing for team USA, we have no Carmichael now. You need a team leader that has that commanding presence. Barcia is always balls...
Here is the thing for team USA, we have no Carmichael now.

You need a team leader that has that commanding presence. Barcia is always balls to the walls, and Martin and Webb are street fighters, but the magnitude of the event requires real team work and a calming presence.

Given the fact that every country on the track wants to shred USA,,..it is going to be a battle.

The good,..JGR Yamaha is dialed in by now, and Gibbs and company are no strangers to winning. Martin and Webb are already teamates and have a groove, if Justin is cool with the street fighters, I think USA wins the race.

The wild card is Cooper Webb, his all or nothing style will make this an awesome MXDN.
Haha how did that line go when RC went with Ivan and Kdub? "Would you just tell us where to be and when to race? You're making Kevin and Ivan nervous." Laughing I agree though. With RC, you had a guy who expected to win. He fully expected to win his motos. I think he gave the other guys confidence.
Jamie_Munro 8/14/2015 1:12pm
8/14/2015 1:12pm
Park Boys wrote:
I have never liked this track for holding MxDN. Nothing to really separate the guys with balls. Small old track IMO.
Oh my dear lord, have you any idea what it will take to be fast there? Oh bollox will be needed I can assure you.

Curious, you been?
Jamie_Munro 8/14/2015 1:16pm
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karsmakers wrote:
First impression...the track is way to NARROW..then you add in the stupid ass picket fence and we have a track unworthy of this race. Starts are...
First impression...the track is way to NARROW..then you add in the stupid ass picket fence and we have a track unworthy of this race. Starts are going to mean everything and that's to bad.
stillwelding wrote:
Ha Ha, what a great take on the MXDeN. The Euros want to ride on a track that the U.S. Will flounder on. We should run...
Ha Ha, what a great take on the MXDeN. The Euros want to ride on a track that the U.S. Will flounder on. We should run the race at a track that is the most difficult for them to conquer, and I think that next years race at Glen Helen, is a great choice.
DeStouwer wrote:
Bullshit. Back in 2005 when USA won not a single person complained. Now that your team isn't the strongest possible you start making excuses already.
Wtf talk about excuses!

And have I seen folk complaining about tyres as well?

Let the American hate conspiracy continue, in part 2 we discuss how the Spanish will assist the French by shitting in the Americans water supply, Russia have a plan too but that is a secret until September.
Jamie_Munro 8/14/2015 1:18pm
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DeStouwer wrote:
Well you can't say it isn't true either. He obviously was fishing and I got hooked so to speak. Probably a comment from a guy that...
Well you can't say it isn't true either. He obviously was fishing and I got hooked so to speak. Probably a comment from a guy that never came near the Ernée track aswell.
stillwelding wrote:
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. :P I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick"...
Your mistaken, as most Germans are about most things. Tongue I went to Ernee in 2003 to see Stefan Everts complete the one day "Hat trick" of winning all three classes in one day. And my comment about the tracks is more general. I think each country (and Europe" is not a country, but you probably think most Americans think it is) should pick, if possible, the track in their home, that suits the home team riders best. Also, I've been to about 15 to 20 GP's, all the way from Los Angeles, including the 1980 MXDeN, 1984 Trophee and MXDeN (the last of the 250 and 500 class), 1987 MXDeN New York, and Ernee 2003.
DeStouwer wrote:
I'm Belgian.
No dude, your a euro. There's no distinction. Laughing
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Park Boys 8/14/2015 1:49pm
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Park Boys wrote:
I have never liked this track for holding MxDN. Nothing to really separate the guys with balls. Small old track IMO.
Jamie_Munro wrote:
Oh my dear lord, have you any idea what it will take to be fast there? Oh bollox will be needed I can assure you. Curious...
Oh my dear lord, have you any idea what it will take to be fast there? Oh bollox will be needed I can assure you.

Curious, you been?
2011 Reed wins a Moto after being a shell of himself in the Nationals after Millville, he admitted to being scared after that on the Fast AMA tracks but had no problems in France. Ie why I say it dosent take Balls. It's a technical hard pack follow the leader track IMO. Only the cream of the crop should get MxDNs like Matterly basin,lommel,GH, Millville etc.

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Jamie_Munro 8/14/2015 2:27pm
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Reed says a lot, I suppose that makes it all true.

Here's the thing, it's a classic track with history, it's going to score a massive crowd of knowledgable and passionate fans, that's what the mxdn is about. Yes it's not 50 yards wide and maybe not to everybody's liking but they all have to race it and if every mx track was the same it would get kinda boring?

Don't worry you'll be on safe ground next year Wink

But seriously jokes aside, it takes balls to be fast at Ernee, pay a visit, you'll see.
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Jamie_Munro wrote:
Reed says a lot, I suppose that makes it all true. Here's the thing, it's a classic track with history, it's going to score a massive...
Reed says a lot, I suppose that makes it all true.

Here's the thing, it's a classic track with history, it's going to score a massive crowd of knowledgable and passionate fans, that's what the mxdn is about. Yes it's not 50 yards wide and maybe not to everybody's liking but they all have to race it and if every mx track was the same it would get kinda boring?

Don't worry you'll be on safe ground next year Wink

But seriously jokes aside, it takes balls to be fast at Ernee, pay a visit, you'll see.
Next year probably won't be much safer for them. Maggiora isn't that much wider than Ernee. They are doing a lot of work there though. I agree with you, Ernee is a fantastic track that will attract an enormous crowd. They earned the right to host the MXdN this year by puttung on a fantastic event last time they held it. Skill, technique and bravery will all be rewarded at this track, and the atmosphere will be incredible. I just can't wait
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Should be great,only thing I'm worried about is that the narrowness,starts might put some good guys down the field and rob us of some of the racing we all want to see

Talking of which,will Cairoli,Nagl and Desalle be there?
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Should be great,only thing I'm worried about is that the narrowness,starts might put some good guys down the field and rob us of some of the...
Should be great,only thing I'm worried about is that the narrowness,starts might put some good guys down the field and rob us of some of the racing we all want to see

Talking of which,will Cairoli,Nagl and Desalle be there?
maybe, yes , no
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Robgvx 8/15/2015 4:12am
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Here's the first MX1 race from the 2013 GP at Ernee.

Watch from about 26m 55s and then tell me that this track doesn't make for great racing. I count Max Nagl and Tommy Searle passing each other back and forth about NINE times in about a lap and a half.

It's a great track as long as they don't ruin it this year with more obstacles. As it was in 2013 there were an abundance of lines and passing opportunities. And every one of those Nagl/Searle passes happened, or was set up, in a corner. It seems to me that the only place there weren't any passing opportunities was in the stupid wave section.

Awesome atmosphere and crowd too. This race will be legendary, especially if France win on home soil.

RichardLoots 8/15/2015 7:49am
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awesome track , and as seen in the video overtaking is not that hard at all.....im looking forward to this years MXN
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karsmakers 8/15/2015 9:52am
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I just watched the race and it still looks way to damn narrow and smooth. Great track to watch a race at but in my opinion not a track worthy of the nations. And get rid of that picket fence. I want a track that allows for ample passing and is rough enough to separate the men from the boys. There are some tracks in the US I would feel the same way about, so you Euros don't all need to defend this track
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RG1 8/15/2015 10:09am
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I just watched the race and it still looks way to damn narrow and smooth. Great track to watch a race at but in my opinion...
I just watched the race and it still looks way to damn narrow and smooth. Great track to watch a race at but in my opinion not a track worthy of the nations. And get rid of that picket fence. I want a track that allows for ample passing and is rough enough to separate the men from the boys. There are some tracks in the US I would feel the same way about, so you Euros don't all need to defend this track
It's not just a European thing, there are plenty of tracks in Europe that I don't consider good enough to host the MXdN. I genuinely believe that this track is good enough to hold this event, it was great in 2005 and I'm sure it will be again. They've put lots of work in at the circuit over the past year to open it up and make it a bit wider, and from what I have seen they have done a good job. They've removed a lot of the really tight hairpins that were in it and replaced them with faster, more open corners, which should allow for more lines and more passing. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how good the racing will be
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Jefro98 8/15/2015 11:21am
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Ahem,
you guys still talking about a track that has been changed quite a bit for the MXdN.
The narrow parts of the track are mostly gone now.

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