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roundtheoutside 8/9/2015 1:47pm
8/9/2015 1:47pm
bsharkey wrote:
i like the fire this team has. they are all hungry and will do what they need to do. all of them front runners all year...
i like the fire this team has. they are all hungry and will do what they need to do. all of them front runners all year so far too. i see bam bam and cooper having no problem "bamming someone if they are in a position to win
I think that's something a lot of people are hoping for. Barcia or minicoop trying to 'bam' some of the GP guys and see how that turns out.
I see team france a little stronger too but anything can happen as we all know. Good picks imo
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Julian 8/9/2015 1:57pm
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Dungey is a nice guy and he should just do what he wants to do.

for the last few years he went to the mxdn only because others wanted him to go (de coster)

he did not want to go and he rode like he did not want to be there and it hurt the usa

Dungey made one mistake, he should just say he does not want to go and not try to come up with a phoney excuse like it does not fit his schedule -that just makes him look cheap

he should just say he does not want to go because he does not have a business (money - profit motive - contract) reason to go and let it be

there are always others who will race because they want to win for the usa although this has again and again been a hard thing to see through because many americans just dont care about racing for their national pride

whereas most europeans are happy to race for there countries..........can you imagine a Dungey level rider in Belgium not wanting to ride for Belgium???, I can't

anyway, it is what it is, there are american mx riders who don't care so much for their country pride, so be it

let's get on with the game

the usa is after all made up of 50 states - each one about as big as Belgium so the usa has about 50 times more opportunities to beat those little countries, right ??

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neysbo 8/9/2015 2:26pm
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They actually, technically could ride for PR but yes, I doubt most of them would not.

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Outsider 8/9/2015 2:58pm
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roundtheoutside wrote:
I think that's something a lot of people are hoping for. Barcia or minicoop trying to 'bam' some of the GP guys and see how that...
I think that's something a lot of people are hoping for. Barcia or minicoop trying to 'bam' some of the GP guys and see how that turns out.
I see team france a little stronger too but anything can happen as we all know. Good picks imo
I don't think anyone is hoping for what you just said. .. stupid comment. Most are just hoping for a team that wants it
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Outsider wrote:
I don't think anyone is hoping for what you just said. .. stupid comment. Most are just hoping for a team that wants it
No Shit, most of us just want three real good guy's who are both willing and able to go for it.

Nobody is going to go all the way over there to try and tangle bars , That will happen through the normal course of racing but not like quoted.
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FreshTopEnd 8/9/2015 6:04pm
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Great team! I like the change up and getting Webb the experience. Glad what makes matching our team hard is having to leave out guys that are equally deserving.

Maybe being a little more freewheeling with the team selections we can get at it not wound so tight about not losing and get on with having fun. Pretty sure they'll be fired up.
Hoagie_Man377 8/9/2015 6:56pm
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Julian wrote:
Dungey is a nice guy and he should just do what he wants to do. for the last few years he went to the mxdn only...
Dungey is a nice guy and he should just do what he wants to do.

for the last few years he went to the mxdn only because others wanted him to go (de coster)

he did not want to go and he rode like he did not want to be there and it hurt the usa

Dungey made one mistake, he should just say he does not want to go and not try to come up with a phoney excuse like it does not fit his schedule -that just makes him look cheap

he should just say he does not want to go because he does not have a business (money - profit motive - contract) reason to go and let it be

there are always others who will race because they want to win for the usa although this has again and again been a hard thing to see through because many americans just dont care about racing for their national pride

whereas most europeans are happy to race for there countries..........can you imagine a Dungey level rider in Belgium not wanting to ride for Belgium???, I can't

anyway, it is what it is, there are american mx riders who don't care so much for their country pride, so be it

let's get on with the game

the usa is after all made up of 50 states - each one about as big as Belgium so the usa has about 50 times more opportunities to beat those little countries, right ??

This is the first year dungey is missing mxdn when he could have gone, so everything you said is just hateful nonsense. Your shit about american riders not caring is wrong, how the fuck would you know this from poland?
CaptainRon126 8/9/2015 8:19pm
8/9/2015 8:19pm
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You are certainly going to win the most ugliest team haha
That's a hell of a thing for a Brit to say
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IceMan446 8/9/2015 10:28pm
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philG wrote:
The Netherlands has a population 3 million less than New York State... now that would be a fair comparison,
Size of the country doesn't matter.

Look at soccer, some of the smallest countries field some of the best teams.

Nice try though.
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Zracer 8/9/2015 11:38pm
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philG wrote:
The Netherlands has a population 3 million less than New York State... now that would be a fair comparison,
IceMan446 wrote:
Size of the country doesn't matter.

Look at soccer, some of the smallest countries field some of the best teams.

Nice try though.
So the size of the pool the talent is drawn from doesnt matter... You do realize in some of those little countries they have 5x as many kids playing soccer as we have racing mx. You think they might find some guys good at it?
roundtheoutside 8/10/2015 5:45am
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roundtheoutside wrote:
I think that's something a lot of people are hoping for. Barcia or minicoop trying to 'bam' some of the GP guys and see how that...
I think that's something a lot of people are hoping for. Barcia or minicoop trying to 'bam' some of the GP guys and see how that turns out.
I see team france a little stronger too but anything can happen as we all know. Good picks imo
Outsider wrote:
I don't think anyone is hoping for what you just said. .. stupid comment. Most are just hoping for a team that wants it
I actually wasn't talking about american fans only. I think it could be entertaining if it would happen, that's why Wink
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Motofinne 8/10/2015 5:59am
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Zracer wrote:
So the size of the pool the talent is drawn from doesnt matter... You do realize in some of those little countries they have 5x as...
So the size of the pool the talent is drawn from doesnt matter... You do realize in some of those little countries they have 5x as many kids playing soccer as we have racing mx. You think they might find some guys good at it?
5x isn't even enough.

We have about 130k licensed football players in Finland and we fucking suck at it. Yeah we had Litmanen and Hyypiä but thats it. And football is in the shadow of hockey in Finland.
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Robgvx 8/10/2015 6:03am
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Well I still have USA down as equal favourites with France,who I don't see as strong as some do,Paulin is off and Musquin might not be...
Well I still have USA down as equal favourites with France,who I don't see as strong as some do,Paulin is off and Musquin might not be as fast as he is in the US

Herlings,Tonkov and the MX1 big guns of Cairoli,Desalle and maybe Nagl could all be out and it would free up some of the spots upfront,consistency is the key
A lot of bug guns out, as you say. And some good French MX2 riders who won't be there either, like Ferrandis and Tixier.

If you look at current GP championship standings there are 7 nations represented in the top ten of both MX2 and MXGP. Top ten talent is very spread out across different national teams.

Switzerland is lurking if Tonus gets back to speed and teams up with Guillod and Seewer.
2strokerider 8/10/2015 6:18am
8/10/2015 6:18am Edited Date/Time 8/10/2015 6:26am
I would have gone for canard over webb for the 450 spot, just because of his experience. That's not to say that webb wont do well- he might do,but its a bit of a risk.

they should change the class structure at the mxdn anyway, its a bit stupid running 2 450 classes. They should make it 125, 250 and 450. Its a one off race- be amazing to see some of the top pro's racing 125s again!!
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RPM68 8/10/2015 7:38am
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The Dutch are bad dudes, thats for sure.

Got some buddies from The Netherlands that own the soccer fields next to 3 Palms, good people! Plus they love beer.
The Narrator 8/10/2015 7:40am
8/10/2015 7:40am
Julian wrote:
Dungey is a nice guy and he should just do what he wants to do. for the last few years he went to the mxdn only...
Dungey is a nice guy and he should just do what he wants to do.

for the last few years he went to the mxdn only because others wanted him to go (de coster)

he did not want to go and he rode like he did not want to be there and it hurt the usa

Dungey made one mistake, he should just say he does not want to go and not try to come up with a phoney excuse like it does not fit his schedule -that just makes him look cheap

he should just say he does not want to go because he does not have a business (money - profit motive - contract) reason to go and let it be

there are always others who will race because they want to win for the usa although this has again and again been a hard thing to see through because many americans just dont care about racing for their national pride

whereas most europeans are happy to race for there countries..........can you imagine a Dungey level rider in Belgium not wanting to ride for Belgium???, I can't

anyway, it is what it is, there are american mx riders who don't care so much for their country pride, so be it

let's get on with the game

the usa is after all made up of 50 states - each one about as big as Belgium so the usa has about 50 times more opportunities to beat those little countries, right ??

Hoagie_Man377 wrote:
This is the first year dungey is missing mxdn when he could have gone, so everything you said is just hateful nonsense. Your shit about american...
This is the first year dungey is missing mxdn when he could have gone, so everything you said is just hateful nonsense. Your shit about american riders not caring is wrong, how the fuck would you know this from poland?
When a troll trolls a troll.
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Holigan 8/10/2015 7:51am
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2strokerider wrote:
I would have gone for canard over webb for the 450 spot, just because of his experience. That's not to say that webb wont do well-...
I would have gone for canard over webb for the 450 spot, just because of his experience. That's not to say that webb wont do well- he might do,but its a bit of a risk.

they should change the class structure at the mxdn anyway, its a bit stupid running 2 450 classes. They should make it 125, 250 and 450. Its a one off race- be amazing to see some of the top pro's racing 125s again!!
That would be cool. I would love to see some of the best in the world race 125's at least once a year.

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Jamie_Munro 8/10/2015 8:17am
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philG wrote:
The Netherlands has a population 3 million less than New York State... now that would be a fair comparison,
IceMan446 wrote:
Size of the country doesn't matter.

Look at soccer, some of the smallest countries field some of the best teams.

Nice try though.
Because every kid out there (outside of the states) most likely plays football at some point and often, in my school of 1200 for example there were 4 mx lads and we all lived next to each other and were mates. We had a football team for every year through primary and high school and played at school on average 3 times a week, also county and league matches at weekends, internationals 1-3 times a year from age 12.

Can't compare the sports is my point. Football is practically free, mx is not, plus mx in America is so accessible, I can't speak for other countries but in England it's pretty damn hard to get into, there's zero free terrain and you're treated like a criminal who will lose their bike if you dare try ride anywhere that's not a private course.

I think that's a good team going for you guys though to get back on point, I said it weeks ago. Certainly got a winning mentality this year so there will be no confidence issues, just gotta get used to the relative small width of the circuit and limited passing options.
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OldYZRider1 8/10/2015 8:21am
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Kinda funny after being around here for a few years how it seems the tide has turned on the peoples feeling about competing in the MXdN. Seems like when we were winning all the time many thought we shouldn't bother going, that the race didn't matter, etc. Now that we've lost three years everybody seems to think we should attend. Just my casual observation.

I believe its a good thing for us to attend as I also wish we had guys racing in MXGP and MX2. I guess I come from the generation when that series was viewed as the "World" Championship and if you wanted to claim you were the best in the world you'd have to be racing the best in the world and on some of their tracks too. As for Dungey, he's put in six efforts; I'd think that the new guys, if they even have interest in doing the event, would much rather they get their opportunity to represent as to have him go again. Kinda like the Grammy Awards dragging out all the old bands to play; sure they're great musicians but they've had their day in the sun, time for the new crowd.
Jamie_Munro 8/10/2015 8:25am
8/10/2015 8:25am
It would be great if there was better integration from both sides of the pond, maybe one day.
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bvm111 8/10/2015 8:32am
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You know this could be crazy enough to work.... The way we have been doin it the past few years hasn't exactly worked for us either.

What do you think of with any of these three guys?

win or die trying... Win or loose this will be exiting to watch!
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peelout 8/10/2015 9:13am
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hartebreak wrote:
I can only assume there is something in play behind the scenes that we don't know about as the reasoning for this pick. To me, Ando...
I can only assume there is something in play behind the scenes that we don't know about as the reasoning for this pick. To me, Ando, Trey, Baggett, even Grant would be better picks than Webb simply based on their experience on big bikes.
team Yamaha bro, worked out for team Honda back in the 80's
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mjskier 8/10/2015 9:31am
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peelout wrote:
team Yamaha bro, worked out for team Honda back in the 80's
That's my guess too.
Several countries in Europe have a "national federation" which selects the riders and pay the expenses. Not sure who pays the MXdN bill for team USA.
kaidoddragon 8/10/2015 9:39am
8/10/2015 9:39am
Here's a little comparsion with the fastest lap of the four guys (Webb, Baggett, Anderson and Canard) that could have take that place in MX3 since Hangtown.

Hangtown 1

Cooper Webb 2:09:476
Blake Baggett 2:11:452
Jason Anderson 2:11:532

Budds Creek 1 (Mud race)

Blake Baggett 2:06:936
Jason Anderson 2:09:748
Cooper Webb 2:13:212

Budds Creek 2 (Mud race)

Cooper Webb 2:13:847
Blake Baggett 2:22:297
Jason Anderson 2:25:173

RedBud 1

Cooper Webb 2:00:756
Jason Anderson 2:04:172
Blake Baggett 2:04:375

RedBud 2

Jason Anderson 2:04:133
Cooper Webb 2:04:788
Blake Baggett 2:06:057

Spring Creek 1

Blake Baggett 2:17:319
Cooper Webb 2:18:950
Jason Anderson 2:19:661

Spring Creek 2

Jason Anderson 2:16:525
Blake Baggett 2:16:702
Cooper Webb 2:18:553

Washougal 1 (Mud race)

Jason Anderson 2:25:909
Blake Baggett 2:29:087
Cooper Webb 2:31:009
Trey Canard 2:32:671

Washougal 2 (Mud race)

Jason Anderson 2:16:810
Blake Baggett 2:19:724
Trey Canard 2:20:274
Cooper Webb 2:21:427

Unadilla 1

Trey Canard 2:14:996
Jason Anderson 2:15:677
Cooper Webb 2:16:535
Blake Baggett 2:17:204

Unadilla 2

Cooper Webb 2:15:537
Trey Canard 2:17:183
Jason Anderson 2:17:511
Blake Baggett 2:18:105

You can see that Cooper Webb is matching the other guys lap times while on a 250. Its close between those guys but I would have still chose Webb...
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karsmakers 8/10/2015 9:48am
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Which AMA riders are actually going to race at Glen Helen for sure? Why wouldn't our three riders also race there to test the bikes with Euro specs and also get race ready after a couple weeks off? I sure hope they do....it's also an oppurtunity to show what we can do on our tracks even though the Euro's have riden at GP for a few years now.
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mx_579 8/10/2015 10:24am
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Dungey lost me as a fan by turning it down.
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ManuMX 8/10/2015 10:32am
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I actually didn't understand why Dungey is not on your mxon team.
But you've a good team, I think for sure they'll be on top 3.
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TeamGreen 8/10/2015 10:50am
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Win SX Title
Win MX Title
Take a break and maybe, just maybe...
"Live a little".
Those of you having ass pains over Dungey staying home after SIX YEARS of going? It must be REALLY EASY complaining...

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FreshTopEnd 8/10/2015 11:39am
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The folks getting on Dungey fir taking a break this year need to grow up and get real

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