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The food needs to be better than most tracks provide and the restrooms need to be cleaner in order to bring the girls in. The women do have a say if the family is going or not. This is not a simple problem but it can be solved for some tracks. Those tracks who want to fix their problems need to consider hiring a real manager. Someone who is not just an ex pro motocross rider. Someone who understands marketing, solving problems, and how to run a tight ship!
Some major tracks can't even water their tracks correctly! How can you run a track for 30 years and then not be able to know how to set up your water crew? Those are faults of a track owner.
Online registration. (For EVERYTHING. gate fee practice fee race fees etc. )
Seperate line for pre entered people. (I rolled in at 840 and was practicing at 0900 on Saturday before the race) didn't wait in sign up for hours upon end.
Transponders- I've been against these forever until now. They allow you to compare how you stack against people in your class and of different lines help from lap to lap.
$15 gate fee all weekend. $30 for a full hook up. Electric and water. And they have "1000. "
Practice was from 9-3 Saturday. QUAD RACING WAS THAT EVENING. No quads on Sunday but they weren't alienated from the even either! Quads pay money too.
Racing 3 lap practice Sunday morning. Gate dropped at 10 sharp. Raced 3 classes. Hour meter went from 1.8 to 4.1 for the entire weekend. Plenty if seat time. I was home with chipotle in my stomach before dark and I drove 4 hours to get to CHILITOWN
The other two rounds are following this format and I'll be there racing them
This is what you need to do in order to pull entrants. if you can't do it, you can't run races and expect to make money.
There are many tracks in ohio struggling as well, it's really all on the promoter.
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Or are you only planning on helping those that are under pressure from people trying to shut them down because of noise? If so on the noise issue I think bikes need to run sound inserts, AMA needs to lower sound requirements, tracks need to sound test, and the pipe builders need to think about the future of the sport and make everything a lower db. It would be best for the sport if the bikes were not so loud!
Can anyone tell me the negative in that? The reduction in noise is a great thing and tracks can spot check people even. If your bike is crazy loud you have to run those noise inserts or not ride. Its good for everyone from what I can see.
This is not a mission to make tracks quieter although there is a correlation in many cases. The take away from my reply is I am good with AMA amateur and AMA/FIM sound levels. Not on a mission to make bikes quieter. Been there done that and once was enough.
BTW industry support is key otherwise this won't be a success.
Maybe it is time for the industry to take a major step forward. Hell even I don't like the loud bikes and I love motocross. Two strokes were much quieter.
It is up to us to keep are silencers and mufflers repacked. The funny thing is it is the cheapest horsepower and torque money can buy.
Slip on mufflers make a lot of sense especially if you've bought a used bike with OEM can. Why not start off with fresh packing and have a muffler that you can easily put a spark arrestor and/or sound insert in?
What blows my mind is the people that spend $100 plus to put a spark arrestor on a stock muffler with worn packing.
Maybe this performance adding component of a repack has gotten lost amongst the noise no pun intended and needs to be rebroadcast to the masses?
On the tracks in trouble subject I have some ideas I wanted to get feedback on pertaining to the tracks that have been discussed In this thread. Will write more when I'm on my pc later
Fill up the damn starting gates, use transponders and put riders the same speed on the track at the same time.
Start on time. Stay on schedule.
Tracks need to look into making money in other ways. Wash racks, showers, food, and tire changing can all help tracks make a few extra bucks! I am not a fan of the participation trophy handouts. The riders and their families are willing to pay for a better experience.
to speed the program up?
Regardless there are a few common denominators so let's start with the easiest stuff to fix and move on from there. No money required either to split racing programs up for places that are fortunate enough to have enough racers to warrant having 25 to 30 motos. Some compromising will have to be done but having a morning race program and then an afternoon program would shorten families' time at the track. Track could flip flop the sessions so one weekend Group AM races first and Group PM races in the afternoon but the next week they flip flop.
From the comments in this thread people would be more motivated to race if there was less time commitment so split programs address that issue so next.
Short motos. If you're paying the money required to race it is unacceptable to short change competitors with anything under a fifteen minute moto IMHO. I know at the bigger races this is a challenge but what are we selling here? Sprint racing or MX racing? I'm hoping the split program would allow for longer motos. What do you think?
I can't accept that as a true statement and instead process the "most still would not do it" as an assumption/negative thinking. I feel you but the thing about generalizations is they're generally not true.
Let's all work together and build the Top 10 Things required to attract MX racers:
1) Split Programs-Not every track has this issue but for the track owners that do please try this ASAP and racers at the next riders meeting bring up the split program idea instead of enduring another marathon day. Speaking up is better than getting burned out on long race days and bailing on the racing program.
2) End tracks competing against each other ASAP and start series races using these former competitors tracks.
3) Online registration. (For EVERYTHING. gate fee practice fee race fees etc. ) We are moving into the non free zone but can we find out what software Chlllitown is using in Ohio so we can spread this information? Tied into online registration could be separate line for pre entered people. You have no how many times I have thought this after I have gotten up at o dark thirty gone WFO to get to the track then sit in line for 20 to 30 minutes to get into the facility. (thank you GeorgiePorgie for this item!)
4) Longer motos-Nuff said.
5)
Pit Row
"5 laps?! Why can't we do 3, I can't hold on after 2." I hear that at ridrrs meetings or something similar more than I would like to admit.
Split programs really only work if you're splitting quads and bikes. Yea in theory having afternoon and mornin split sounds great. But nobody wants to race the afternoon. People say they do, then never show up.
A lot of this lies on the promoters back:
1. Around 2000 hands took OIR from a cowpath into an awesome facility. Lost their lease and now it's almost dead again. The new promoter had a golden egg that all he needed to do was keep polished.
2. hand racing Promotions took a track that I thought was not salvageable and turned it into an event I never miss. A place called big game raceway. Big game sucked on so many levels. The dirt seemed terrible, I hated everything about it. Then hands come in and prepare it. Come to find out the dirt is awesome, layout great and with 13 gate drops we are out of there by 2-4pm. This weekend hands aren't promoting the big game event. So, I won't be there. That's terrible I know, but If I'm racing I want to get the great product I expect that goes with spending my income on....
Plus successful promoters around ohio are offering free classes to draw in new people or just to draw people to actually race. CHILITOWN did this by allowing A riders free entry and a 50cc class free as well. Gate fees for active military were free. Also the U.S. army sponsored the first battle round. Getting decent sponsors helps.
Wasn't the state of moto terrible in California and then transworld boosted the local race scene by promoting an awesome series ? From what I understand the entries exponentially grew at these tracks involved.....?
Race 1. (10 laps) Best times + 10% (top 20 times)
Race 2. (8 laps) Lap times from 80-90% of the best (times 21-40)
Race 3. (6 laps) Lap times from 70-80% of the best (times 41-60)
Race 4. (4 laps) Lap times from 60-70% of the best (times 61-80)
Race 5. (2 laps) Lap times from 50-60% of the best (times 81-100)
If you have more riders the %'s could be changed. Each class has a full gate regardless, adjust the cutoff's.
No need for age and 2/4 stroke and CC classes including mini's.
Way more fun racing with someone your speed. Sandbaggers easily bumped.
A business is a business and businesses fail because of their leaders! A bad leader of a company can destroy even the best of ideas.
Have you ever heard the saying "you can't fix stupid"? Now imagine trying to teach track owners and promoters to go with your ideas? We have tried it and they simply do not want to change. It is an up hill battle. That is why the AMA and AMA road racing in Daytona as well as the FIM need to make some good moves for the industry.
I haven't forgot about you. See my post above for the reason why it took me so long to reply.
We quit racing three years ago because my son, who was in college at the time, contracted an unknown virus that was shutting down his liver and kidneys. He spent quite some time in the hospital fighting it off and came out of there very weak.He recovered very quickly (because he is young and stubborn) and his strength came back immediately. The one thing he has never got back is his stamina, He has tried a lot of different things and he just seems to hit a brick wall when it comes to stamina. He still wants to earn his A plate so we will return if that can get sorted out.
Right now we just enjoy going out to the tracks and spin some laps at our own leisure. Get there when we want, ride as much as we want and leave when we want, Ridin' dirt bikes with your son, it don't get any better than that!
I may have to make a trip up before it's completely done. I was actually thinking i'd do a couple of the HS races this fall. What a drag.
I recently signed up online for a race two week in advance. One week before the race I found out I could not go to the race and I contacted the track via email to ask for a refund or to see if they could just save my money for the next event. The reply I got was "NO". Nothing else other than "NO".
Now who is going to pay in advance if they refuse to give you a rain check or a refund? Not this guy! Advance signup can help the tracks and the riders but if you can't get a refund then it won't ever work.
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