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bartziokas123
Edited Date/Time 6/8/2015 2:42pm
Hey guys, if anyone here uses strava, please!!! go comment on the web site that you would like for them to add a offroad strava category. I use it for all my training, Moto/MTB/Running and it''s awesome. I don't live in a very populated area so I don't have problems with messing up MTB segments but I know it happens all the time. Sharing offroad trails is important, I don't want to piss anyone off if I don't have too, please help to get strava for dirt bikers.

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TailSoHard 6/8/2015 10:39am
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BAMX 6/8/2015 10:45am
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I like Strava to track my bike rides but the whole KOM thing could get way out of control.
bartziokas123 6/8/2015 10:48am
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I don't use it on the moto track but I use it for my training for off road riding
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KGAspeed 6/8/2015 11:36am
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Part of me thinks it would be cool to add a moto category, but it has nearly taken the fun out of mountain biking as-it-is, and bumps up the danger factor a ton. To implement this into moto with shared trails is probably a sketchy idea.

So many people lose their minds over a KOM, or you get a-holes that just circulate a segment over and over and over until they KOM it (which is totally pointless if you really think about it).

Wednesday I'm going to moto a very popular and shared off-road area - I usually just use MotionX to track my ride. Maybe I'll run Strava too and categorize it as "other" and see how that goes.

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peelout 6/8/2015 11:38am
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while i love it for my mountain bike rides, i would not like something like this for offroad trail riding. here, we share all our trails with hikers, bikers, horses, dirt-bikes etc... all we need is some douchebag hauling ass on the single track on a dirt bike.

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I used to get joy out of building up the lightest mountain bike i could, and keeping up with my times on the local trails and constantly "chasing the clock." Now i get more joy out of riding a single speed and took the computers off my bikes years ago and will probably never put them back on.
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KGAspeed 6/8/2015 11:57am
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peelout wrote:
while i love it for my mountain bike rides, i would not like something like this for offroad trail riding. here, we share all our trails...
while i love it for my mountain bike rides, i would not like something like this for offroad trail riding. here, we share all our trails with hikers, bikers, horses, dirt-bikes etc... all we need is some douchebag hauling ass on the single track on a dirt bike.

Yep, exactly. Everyone else we share trails with around here, pretty much hates motorcycles and that wouldn't help at all.

Peely, I'm heading to American Fork Wednesday - that is what I was referring to above. Way too much other traffic there - Strava would make it (probably) even worse.

I've been on the trail there before with a group of 5-6 of us and came up on two dudes on mtbs. They completely acted as if we weren't right behind them and didn't pull over for quite a while.

We have enough issues getting along; chasing segment times could be an issue.
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Wiley 6/8/2015 12:06pm
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Bad idea.

Too many guys out there who are already riding well above their skill level. We don't need more idiots. I've been in enough head-ons with guys riding well beyond their capabilities.

FWIW, I use Strava to track my bicycle rides as so I know how much I've ridden and to help identify where I've been. I can care less where I'm at as compared to other riders.
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Rowlands 6/8/2015 12:06pm
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I once put strava on when I went out on my motorised road bike just for interest.

Came back with a shit load of trophies and smashed all the local records lol, I doubt I am popular with the push bikers around here now . What a dick move
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peelout wrote:
while i love it for my mountain bike rides, i would not like something like this for offroad trail riding. here, we share all our trails...
while i love it for my mountain bike rides, i would not like something like this for offroad trail riding. here, we share all our trails with hikers, bikers, horses, dirt-bikes etc... all we need is some douchebag hauling ass on the single track on a dirt bike.

I agree, terrible idea. There have already been a number of deaths linked to Strava on bicycles (individuals trying to break Strava KOM's) as well as the aforementioned douchbaggery that comes along with some a-hole seeking a PB on the trail. I like Strava, but I don't like what it turns some individuals into.
bartziokas123 6/8/2015 12:56pm
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I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always.

Same negative comments could be said about the people who use strava for MTB. You guys talk about shared trail systems but its ok for the people on MTB to use strava as if thats any safer. Your going to have idiots abusing it ether way, why should I be punished because others can't control themselves. Strava has been a awesome training tool for me and I can see that I am slowly getting faster and faster, it's nice to get off the bike and see the real data
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bartziokas123 wrote:
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always. Same negative...
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always.

Same negative comments could be said about the people who use strava for MTB. You guys talk about shared trail systems but its ok for the people on MTB to use strava as if thats any safer. Your going to have idiots abusing it ether way, why should I be punished because others can't control themselves. Strava has been a awesome training tool for me and I can see that I am slowly getting faster and faster, it's nice to get off the bike and see the real data
i think Strava is a great tool if used correctly. it's awesome for tracking your rides, progress, etc...

i'm just speaking of personal experience of being rail-roaded by someone trying to get a Personal Best on a populated trail.

anyone know if Strava works around your track? that might be a great idea so you can check lap times. i did my first MTB race the other day and one of the awesome things was that Strava noticed there were a bunch of people doing the same thing and linked us together. you could check lap-times, segment times, etc. i thought it was pretty bitchin.

as for offroad moto use, go nuts but be careful. as posted above, there are some serious turds that are formed by that app. it's a great tool if used responsibly
TriRacer27 6/8/2015 1:08pm
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bartziokas123 wrote:
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always. Same negative...
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always.

Same negative comments could be said about the people who use strava for MTB. You guys talk about shared trail systems but its ok for the people on MTB to use strava as if thats any safer. Your going to have idiots abusing it ether way, why should I be punished because others can't control themselves. Strava has been a awesome training tool for me and I can see that I am slowly getting faster and faster, it's nice to get off the bike and see the real data
Dude, it's not a vital issue, it's a bad idea issue.

I ride both, and I use Strava all the time for MTB, road cycling, and running. But unless it's a dedicated ATV/UTV/Dirtbike trail, it's a bad idea. The only time shared trails work are when 1) the speed differential is not too high and 2) the faster traffic (dirtbikers) is aware of slower traffic (MTBs) and rides carefully. There are tons of shared trails around me and any time I'm on my dirtbike, I'm constantly slowing down around blind corners in case someone is coming the other way or is on a MTB. If I was on Strava and wanting to claim a KOM, I would have to take them full speed and hope no one is there.

On a MTB trail it's not too bad because the speed difference between the fastest and slowest guys is small enough to give the faster guys time to react if they come up to someone going slower, even around a blind corner. That doesn't exist on a dirtbike.

The truth is, yes, you are being punished because others can't control themselves. There are plenty of other apps for timing if all you want is to time yourself against your PR, but that don't incorporate the social competitive aspect. Stick with that.
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KGAspeed 6/8/2015 1:09pm
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peelout wrote:
i think Strava is a great tool if used correctly. it's awesome for tracking your rides, progress, etc... i'm just speaking of personal experience of being...
i think Strava is a great tool if used correctly. it's awesome for tracking your rides, progress, etc...

i'm just speaking of personal experience of being rail-roaded by someone trying to get a Personal Best on a populated trail.

anyone know if Strava works around your track? that might be a great idea so you can check lap times. i did my first MTB race the other day and one of the awesome things was that Strava noticed there were a bunch of people doing the same thing and linked us together. you could check lap-times, segment times, etc. i thought it was pretty bitchin.

as for offroad moto use, go nuts but be careful. as posted above, there are some serious turds that are formed by that app. it's a great tool if used responsibly
I see Will Hahn and I think Tickle use Strava at Pala, GH or wherever.
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bartziokas123 wrote:
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always. Same negative...
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always.

Same negative comments could be said about the people who use strava for MTB. You guys talk about shared trail systems but its ok for the people on MTB to use strava as if thats any safer. Your going to have idiots abusing it ether way, why should I be punished because others can't control themselves. Strava has been a awesome training tool for me and I can see that I am slowly getting faster and faster, it's nice to get off the bike and see the real data
I chimed in, as requested in the Strava support forum.

I do think it could be dangerous; but you're right, its dangerous on the MTB too.
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DoctorJD 6/8/2015 1:53pm
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Long-time Strava user on the mountain and road bike, great motivational tool, but there is no way this is a good idea. Sorry that we disagree.



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bartziokas123 wrote:
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always. Same negative...
I should have known better to ask for support from anyone on vital, I guess everything on here has to be negative like always.

Same negative comments could be said about the people who use strava for MTB. You guys talk about shared trail systems but its ok for the people on MTB to use strava as if thats any safer. Your going to have idiots abusing it ether way, why should I be punished because others can't control themselves. Strava has been a awesome training tool for me and I can see that I am slowly getting faster and faster, it's nice to get off the bike and see the real data
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I chimed in, as requested in the Strava support forum.

I do think it could be dangerous; but you're right, its dangerous on the MTB too.
You can already use Strava for private moto tracks, although my experience is that on some tracks it interprets the outside line as a separate segment from the inside, so it creates a whole bunch of segments from the same track. Still fun and useful, without having to mess with trying to race the clock while avoiding much slower and less protected riders.
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731chopper 6/8/2015 2:21pm
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I use strava for mountain bike rides and really like it. I like to compare myself against my previous times to see how I'm doing and occasionally I'll check the local leaderboard to see how I stack up but I don't take it very seriously as I'm sure most don't either. There will always be a handful of nut jobs no matter what you're doing.

I don't necessarily agree with the argument about it causing a bunch of idiots chasing lap times to be KOM. Road tracks keep track lap time records and I don't see too many idiots because of it. As we all know moto tracks can vary vastly from one day to another based on the prep, amount of riders there, time of day, etc. so I'm not sure how you could realistically have a leaderboard that meant anything anyways. Plenty of people already put stop watches on other riders and chase or make their kid chase that time.
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I use strava for mountain bike rides and really like it. I like to compare myself against my previous times to see how I'm doing and...
I use strava for mountain bike rides and really like it. I like to compare myself against my previous times to see how I'm doing and occasionally I'll check the local leaderboard to see how I stack up but I don't take it very seriously as I'm sure most don't either. There will always be a handful of nut jobs no matter what you're doing.

I don't necessarily agree with the argument about it causing a bunch of idiots chasing lap times to be KOM. Road tracks keep track lap time records and I don't see too many idiots because of it. As we all know moto tracks can vary vastly from one day to another based on the prep, amount of riders there, time of day, etc. so I'm not sure how you could realistically have a leaderboard that meant anything anyways. Plenty of people already put stop watches on other riders and chase or make their kid chase that time.
the "idiot riders" comment was regarding a bunch of dudes using them on public trails

while i don't consider myself or anyone in here an idiot, i have come across some complete morons on the trail, whether they're on mountain bikes or dirt-bikes.

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