Weigandt: "best riders in the world" getting a little lame.

RichardLoots wrote:

you really dont want to understand he .......LOL .... because youre series had better riders those days and won the MXDN races doesnt make them worldchampions...

you really dont want to understand he .......LOL .... because youre series had better riders those days and won the MXDN races doesnt make them worldchampions in a 1 race event a year .............

pilotdude wrote:

This is a perfect example of how you GP fans can be absolute dipshits. We are told over and over and over and over that the...

This is a perfect example of how you GP fans can be absolute dipshits. We are told over and over and over and over that the absolutely dominant U.S. record in the MXdN "doesn't matter" because "it's only one race." Yet the last 3 results in the MXdN now supposedly show how "the tide has turned", "the GP riders are just as fast or faster", etc. etc etc. Double standards as far as the eye can see.

And judging from this thread and others recently, it looks like quite a few U.S. fans. as well as some Canadians and Aussies, have had enough of the bullshit sandwiches and have started calling a spade a spade.

About. Fucking. Time.

pilotdude wrote:

Right. So were they the best in the world for the 3 plus decades we handing them their asses, and U.S. riders who could not get...

Right. So were they the best in the world for the 3 plus decades we handing them their asses, and U.S. riders who could not get a factory ride in the U.S. were winning the "World Championship"?

In the MXdN video above where the GOAT destroys Everts in Belgium on a Belgian track he had never ridden, was the "World Champion" the best in the world, or was the U.S. national champion the best?

Because it looked to me like the U.S. national champion was far better, even on a Belgian track against a Belgian "World Champion."

Or are we going to get a lecture about, "one race doesn't matter" or some other bullshit?

Again.

The "World Championship" is called that because that is what the FIM calls it. It does not therefore follow that the best rider in the world is the one who wins that series, but if you want to call him "World Champion", so be it. Whatever blows your skirt up.

joeellis wrote:

No, you and all your cronies need to understand how your constant badgering of everything American is so fucking careless and utterly stupid. I was only...

No, you and all your cronies need to understand how your constant badgering of everything American is so fucking careless and utterly stupid. I was only trying to point out how all this world versus America bullshit on here is fucking absurd. All of you guys try to justify your bullshit about one rider competing in 7 events proves European riders are actually better than American riders. You further antagonize the situation by saying we are the one's shooting off our mouths when I see way more non-American sentiment in these pages of bull shit.

You need to get a life and discuss topics that are non-nationalistic. I listened to this horse shit as long as I could and tried to constructively add to these topics until the point where certain vitards made it impossible to do so. Every rational comment I made (and many other Americans made) were turned around to try and say we were being antagonistic and trying to make excuses. I'm going over the top to try and show how fucking stupid all this shit is and hopefully put an end to it.

Some of you will not back down until everyone on here states that International racers and racing styles are better. Ain't gonna happen. Have a great day.

RichardLoots wrote:

talking about being nationalistic ...you must be a great example ........ typical US fan , where everything is bigger, better ,greater ...lol ... im a euro...

talking about being nationalistic ...you must be a great example ........ typical US fan , where everything is bigger, better ,greater ...lol ... im a euro fan with a lot of respect for Rv coming over , in my opinion he is doing great so far . He made the MXGP more interesting , but i dont think he would have won the title in his first year ........all the hype around him coming over was caused by us fans , not the euro fans ... i agree there are a lot of fans on both sides with no respect .... but getting WW2 involved and all that shit is really pathetic in my opinion ....... you need help , Docter Phil . Have a great day

oh and all those posts about Herlings you probably dont mind he , same shit mister only its not an american ..and you love to trash talk about him , but ohhh if RV is mentioned all of sudden things turn around ............get a life , open youre eyes ..there is a whole world out there that doesnt give a fuck about the USA .......

joeellis wrote:

It is hard to debate with an idiot when they are spouting off non-truths, Show me a single post I've made regarding Herlings. I've done nothing...

It is hard to debate with an idiot when they are spouting off non-truths, Show me a single post I've made regarding Herlings. I've done nothing but praised the young man (Roczen & Musquin too my friend). I've even gone so far as to express my desire to see Herlings come to America and race. I went to Unadilla last year. I bought my tickets early and when I learned that Herlings planned to come over and race, I was fucking excited. I actually remember the day I heard he was scheduled to race here. I was actually in Tennessee at the AMA race when I heard. You're confusing me with another poster from NC. Get your facts straight. I have said nothing negative about the GP riders or events. Only the dumb ass posters here that continue to pester us and then only after I couldn't take it any longer.

As for the WWII topic. That all started with a less than appropriate post made in another thread that was an attempt at comedy. There is an entire generation, of which many are no longer around that wouldn't find the humor in it. Not just in America, but all over the world.

RichardLoots wrote:

you really dont want to understand he .......LOL .... because youre series had better riders those days and won the MXDN races doesnt make them worldchampions...

you really dont want to understand he .......LOL .... because youre series had better riders those days and won the MXDN races doesnt make them worldchampions in a 1 race event a year .............

pilotdude wrote:

This is a perfect example of how you GP fans can be absolute dipshits. We are told over and over and over and over that the...

This is a perfect example of how you GP fans can be absolute dipshits. We are told over and over and over and over that the absolutely dominant U.S. record in the MXdN "doesn't matter" because "it's only one race." Yet the last 3 results in the MXdN now supposedly show how "the tide has turned", "the GP riders are just as fast or faster", etc. etc etc. Double standards as far as the eye can see.

And judging from this thread and others recently, it looks like quite a few U.S. fans. as well as some Canadians and Aussies, have had enough of the bullshit sandwiches and have started calling a spade a spade.

About. Fucking. Time.

RichardLoots wrote:

The "World Championship" is called that because that is what the FIM calls it. It does not therefore follow that the best rider in the world...

The "World Championship" is called that because that is what the FIM calls it. It does not therefore follow that the best rider in the world is the one who wins that series, but if you want to call him "World Champion", so be it.

so the winner of youre baseball league isnt the worldchampion and best in the world ?? really , thats refreshing
so the winner of the NBA final isnt the worldchampion and best of the world ??


about fucking time hahahareally , damn kidding me


so for you the rider that wins the MXDN is the best in the world ?? just one race each year is enough to decide who is the best in the world ? now youre talking a load of BS

you go on , typical yankee ignorance as always ...its youre forum , youre party ...SMD

RichardLoots wrote:

never seen so many US fans being butthurt by the results of 1 rider .... hahaha damn even WW2 is being involved . Just accept youre...

never seen so many US fans being butthurt by the results of 1 rider .... hahaha damn even WW2 is being involved . Just accept youre not always the best , just love the sport of Motocross ........some sound like little kids taken their candy away ...


and Joeellis ....you need fucking help man ....what a load of crap

joeellis wrote:

No, you and all your cronies need to understand how your constant badgering of everything American is so fucking careless and utterly stupid. I was only...

No, you and all your cronies need to understand how your constant badgering of everything American is so fucking careless and utterly stupid. I was only trying to point out how all this world versus America bullshit on here is fucking absurd. All of you guys try to justify your bullshit about one rider competing in 7 events proves European riders are actually better than American riders. You further antagonize the situation by saying we are the one's shooting off our mouths when I see way more non-American sentiment in these pages of bull shit.

You need to get a life and discuss topics that are non-nationalistic. I listened to this horse shit as long as I could and tried to constructively add to these topics until the point where certain vitards made it impossible to do so. Every rational comment I made (and many other Americans made) were turned around to try and say we were being antagonistic and trying to make excuses. I'm going over the top to try and show how fucking stupid all this shit is and hopefully put an end to it.

Some of you will not back down until everyone on here states that International racers and racing styles are better. Ain't gonna happen. Have a great day.

RichardLoots wrote:

talking about being nationalistic ...you must be a great example ........ typical US fan , where everything is bigger, better ,greater ...lol ... im a euro...

talking about being nationalistic ...you must be a great example ........ typical US fan , where everything is bigger, better ,greater ...lol ... im a euro fan with a lot of respect for Rv coming over , in my opinion he is doing great so far . He made the MXGP more interesting , but i dont think he would have won the title in his first year ........all the hype around him coming over was caused by us fans , not the euro fans ... i agree there are a lot of fans on both sides with no respect .... but getting WW2 involved and all that shit is really pathetic in my opinion ....... you need help , Docter Phil . Have a great day

oh and all those posts about Herlings you probably dont mind he , same shit mister only its not an american ..and you love to trash talk about him , but ohhh if RV is mentioned all of sudden things turn around ............get a life , open youre eyes ..there is a whole world out there that doesnt give a fuck about the USA .......

RichardLoots wrote:

now im an idiot ? yeah come on and show me youre weakness dickhead , go blow my whistle you moron ..you dont know shit get...

now im an idiot ? yeah come on and show me youre weakness dickhead , go blow my whistle you moron ..you dont know shit

get youre american flag out , plant it in youre brainless head and keep crying ..who knows USA wins the MXDN and youre all over the world again ..hahaha go team USA

Bandito121 wrote:

Oh, but your actions say you do give a fuck. I have many things I don't give a fuck about. Soccer, opera, ball room dancing, GP...

Oh, but your actions say you do give a fuck. I have many things I don't give a fuck about. Soccer, opera, ball room dancing, GP motocross and the Netherlands. All of which I don't follow or even think about let alone seek out websites to post on about them.

Their is a reason so many GP guys come over here and so few of ours go there. And why so many when they get here decide to stay.

Bandito121 wrote:

Oh, but your actions say you do give a fuck. I have many things I don't give a fuck about. Soccer, opera, ball room dancing, GP...

Oh, but your actions say you do give a fuck. I have many things I don't give a fuck about. Soccer, opera, ball room dancing, GP motocross and the Netherlands. All of which I don't follow or even think about let alone seek out websites to post on about them.

Their is a reason so many GP guys come over here and so few of ours go there. And why so many when they get here decide to stay.

craaigo wrote:

America has the best riders in the world. Hands down no question. Sure GP guys can race motocross, but let's race supercross. Until then stfu with...

America has the best riders in the world. Hands down no question. Sure GP guys can race motocross, but let's race supercross. Until then stfu with all thy stupid noise.

TripleDigit wrote:

Forget supercross we're talking MX here,anyhow the last GP guys to give it a real shot have been Roczen,Musquin and Pourcel,all out of the 250 GP...

Forget supercross we're talking MX here,anyhow the last GP guys to give it a real shot have been Roczen,Musquin and Pourcel,all out of the 250 GP and they've done great

Your 4 time Supercross champ,Outdoor champ and proclaimed fastest rider on the planet who dominated the US scene where the "Fastest riders in the world" are just went 9-8,1-3,4-4,4-0 in the GP series

So I think he best riders in the world are very much from elsewhere too,if not more,specially considering well the AMA.champs have done at receent MXdN races.

Kawasaki572 wrote:

Really? You're comparing RV's first year in the GP's vs Roczen, Musquin, Pourcel now? Lets compare Roczen's first year outdoor series in the US, i'm sure...

Really? You're comparing RV's first year in the GP's vs Roczen, Musquin, Pourcel now? Lets compare Roczen's first year outdoor series in the US, i'm sure you remember, how did that work out? His first year, he only won one moto, ONE.... and it took him 10 rounds to do it, it took RV just a few rounds to get an overall in the GP's.

It was hilarious watching some Euro's here predicting Roczen winning by 30+ sec almost every moto before the season started, only to find out he was just a top 5 guy his first year in the US . Don't get me started on Musquin's first year..... Only Pourcel was competitive straight away, but NOW look at him...... Give RV another year, i guaranteed you RV will be much better, just like how Roczen was after his first year.

TripleDigit wrote:

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4...

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4 time SX champ,outdoor champ,MXdN winning rider that's demolished his American rivals absolutely countless times???

Roczen came within 2 turns of winning his 1st outdoor National,he did well in his 1st full SX year and ran upfront in the strongest outdoors series for a long time,Baggett,Tomac and Barcia were lapping at near RV's pace at times,sure he faded but we're talking about a kid and his mum going overseas.Roczen and more would've smoked those guys in a GP series that year for sure

If you'd compare RV to Cairoli going AMA it would be on par,no one predicted Roczen owning the US like many did RV dominating the GPS like he did in the AMA,even if we'd just seen KR beating Dungey and not far of RV at the MXdN

DPR250R wrote:

....and another thing... we have to listen to you guys refer to the GP champs as "World Champions". When they are most definitely not.

joeellis wrote:

All of this European solidarity truly warms my heart. Especially when you look at the past 100 year history of the continent. The two great wars...

All of this European solidarity truly warms my heart. Especially when you look at the past 100 year history of the continent. The two great wars were basically an upheaval on that continent where nations split allegiance and took up arms against one another. Both times it took the Americans, Australians, Canadians, Russians, etc. to come in and put an end to it. Now you guys are such chums. I think that is a beautiful thing. Congratulations. Before our civil strife is brought up, first realize that we have residents from every nation in the world. Every religious or non-religious belief in the world. Every possible belief there is in the world and we still manage to hold it together inside our borders quite well.

Bottom line. Everyone without exception loves to hate America and its citizens. We stick our nose into every conflict in the world and try and impose our will. We bully everyone in the world. Everyone hates us until they need us or can line their pockets with the money we have. This entire thread is another example of that. There are way more Europeans chiming in here trying to get us to admit that your riders are of equal talent and even some that want us to admit your riders are better.

I've said it several times in these stupid posts and I'll say it one more time. RV's results didn't set the world on fire, but they weren't as bad as some are trying to make them and finally, 4 events is not nearly enough to draw a fair conclusion of his ability in the GP's. Many more races are needed.

Motocross83 wrote:

In regards to the Jason Weigandt comment - I also roll my eyes whenever I hear that old chestnut, but of course it doesn't really bother...

In regards to the Jason Weigandt comment - I also roll my eyes whenever I hear that old chestnut, but of course it doesn't really bother me, I tend to just chuckle at it. Yeah it does sound pretty laughable at this point to anyone who has a more worldly view of the sport and follows the two major series closely, but there you go. It's part of promoting the series and you can't blame the team for doing that. Overall I think Jason is a great commentator.

On to the Supercross part of the debate; I don't think there's a European or otherwise that would ever deny that the AMA riders are the collective masters of that sport, but it IS a different sport. Perhaps the inclusion of SX could form an argument toward the question of: Who are the best off-road riders across multiple disciplines? But trying to extend that into a point about Motocross is where I think things get dodgy. By those rules a case could be made that a rider who had successfully competed in MX, SX but also GNCC was a better overall rider than anyone. And then you have other disciplines, such as beach racing, other forms of Enduro etc. I think Motocross is what most Europeans seem to care about and this is where any debate/argument should reside. Motocross alone can be different enough, and favour certain skills on the day.

machine wrote:

Supercross is NOT a different sport. I'll say it again, to be the best, you have to be the best at both disciplines. If our riders...

Supercross is NOT a different sport. I'll say it again, to be the best, you have to be the best at both disciplines. If our riders trained JUST for MX year round like your riders, do you not think we would be even better?...get a grip..It's called being well rounded. You guys can down play SX all you want, but it takes some serious skill to be really good at it, that's why some guys just never get to the top in SX, but do fine at MX.

TripleDigit wrote:

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4...

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4 time SX champ,outdoor champ,MXdN winning rider that's demolished his American rivals absolutely countless times???

Roczen came within 2 turns of winning his 1st outdoor National,he did well in his 1st full SX year and ran upfront in the strongest outdoors series for a long time,Baggett,Tomac and Barcia were lapping at near RV's pace at times,sure he faded but we're talking about a kid and his mum going overseas.Roczen and more would've smoked those guys in a GP series that year for sure

If you'd compare RV to Cairoli going AMA it would be on par,no one predicted Roczen owning the US like many did RV dominating the GPS like he did in the AMA,even if we'd just seen KR beating Dungey and not far of RV at the MXdN

DonM wrote:

Oh you are so wrong...many many predicted Kenny would own the young US riders when he came over...i

Julian wrote:

It just makes the USA look silly in the eyes of the rest of the world when we have to keep hearing certain Americans repeat over...

It just makes the USA look silly in the eyes of the rest of the world when we have to keep hearing certain Americans repeat over and over and over and over and over that "the best riders in the world" are riding the AMA MX series. Just let it go Mr. Weigandt, please. Thanks to RV, even the American public has now clearly seen the level of the riders in the Grand Prix series. It just makes the Americans look desperate to hear such comments.

TripleDigit wrote:

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4...

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4 time SX champ,outdoor champ,MXdN winning rider that's demolished his American rivals absolutely countless times???

Roczen came within 2 turns of winning his 1st outdoor National,he did well in his 1st full SX year and ran upfront in the strongest outdoors series for a long time,Baggett,Tomac and Barcia were lapping at near RV's pace at times,sure he faded but we're talking about a kid and his mum going overseas.Roczen and more would've smoked those guys in a GP series that year for sure

If you'd compare RV to Cairoli going AMA it would be on par,no one predicted Roczen owning the US like many did RV dominating the GPS like he did in the AMA,even if we'd just seen KR beating Dungey and not far of RV at the MXdN

DonM wrote:

Oh you are so wrong...many many predicted Kenny would own the young US riders when he came over...i

TripleDigit wrote:

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4...

And you're comparing a teenage 250 GP rider that's going to the US at such an early stage in his career to a vastly experienced 4 time SX champ,outdoor champ,MXdN winning rider that's demolished his American rivals absolutely countless times???

Roczen came within 2 turns of winning his 1st outdoor National,he did well in his 1st full SX year and ran upfront in the strongest outdoors series for a long time,Baggett,Tomac and Barcia were lapping at near RV's pace at times,sure he faded but we're talking about a kid and his mum going overseas.Roczen and more would've smoked those guys in a GP series that year for sure

If you'd compare RV to Cairoli going AMA it would be on par,no one predicted Roczen owning the US like many did RV dominating the GPS like he did in the AMA,even if we'd just seen KR beating Dungey and not far of RV at the MXdN

DonM wrote:

Oh you are so wrong...many many predicted Kenny would own the young US riders when he came over...i

TripleDigit wrote:

Nothing like the "will he win by 30 seconds or more" thread types,unless you can pull one up,GP fans extremely rarely do the bragging predictions I...

Nothing like the "will he win by 30 seconds or more" thread types,unless you can pull one up,GP fans extremely rarely do the bragging predictions I think you'll find

jamma10 wrote:

If you read through the old threads from 2011, many of those predicting Kenny would wax everyone in the states were actually Americans that had seen...

If you read through the old threads from 2011, many of those predicting Kenny would wax everyone in the states were actually Americans that had seen him ride at the MXdN in Colorado.

steve_97060 wrote:

this is classic.. a furniner starts this thread whining about our announcers.. then more furniners (mainly our British "friends") jump in and start whining and slamming...

this is classic..

a furniner starts this thread whining about our announcers..
then more furniners (mainly our British "friends") jump in and start whining and slamming America, our series, riders, sports, and other assorted odds and ends..

when we rebut these arguments, we are called butthurt americans..

makes sense..

machine wrote:

Supercross is NOT a different sport. I'll say it again, to be the best, you have to be the best at both disciplines. If our riders...

Supercross is NOT a different sport. I'll say it again, to be the best, you have to be the best at both disciplines. If our riders trained JUST for MX year round like your riders, do you not think we would be even better?...get a grip..It's called being well rounded. You guys can down play SX all you want, but it takes some serious skill to be really good at it, that's why some guys just never get to the top in SX, but do fine at MX.

RichardLoots wrote:

now im an idiot ? yeah come on and show me youre weakness dickhead , go blow my whistle you moron ..you dont know shit get...

now im an idiot ? yeah come on and show me youre weakness dickhead , go blow my whistle you moron ..you dont know shit

get youre american flag out , plant it in youre brainless head and keep crying ..who knows USA wins the MXDN and youre all over the world again ..hahaha go team USA

Rick M. x2 wrote:

You are one ignorant asshole. Your posts make me laugh. You sir, are reaching a new level of dumbass this forum has not seen before. Get...

You are one ignorant asshole. Your posts make me laugh. You sir, are reaching a new level of dumbass this forum has not seen before.
Get off an American based forum if you are going to get so worked up over topics such as this.
Go back to jerking off to pictures of your mother.