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They R&D'd the bike without any competition time on the track then KTM put it into production for the showrooms worldwide market so that KTM's AMA...
They R&D'd the bike without any competition time on the track then KTM put it into production for the showrooms worldwide market so that KTM's AMA team could use that bike next year after it is legal with the production rule? So that makes deDykers prototype bike he's riding this season almost 2 years ahead of the US "designers"?
Pit already knows Claudio doesn't give a rats ass, That's why Claudio has won World Championships for over the past 10years
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Hate to burst your bubble but the the new KTM (the FE in the states) was developed extensively in the US by Ryan Morias and crew...They...
Hate to burst your bubble but the the new KTM (the FE in the states) was developed extensively in the US by Ryan Morias and crew...They did not race this bike in the GP's last year...and if any team has an I don't give a shit elitist attitude as you try to portray Decarli as having only shows how clueless you are...all the big 5 teams on both side of the pond continuously share information.
You might want to let Pit know that Decarli doesn't give a rats ass...
By the time Mo got to KTM the bike was already half-way through it's development cycle. Mo is also not on the testing staff, Mike Sleeter and Miki Stoffard (Spelling?) took care of most of the on-the-bike stuff. Most tests were conducted in Europe, although there were bikes sent over here at different points for race team evaluation. So Roger and Ian had a lot of say in what was going on with the bike as well.
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The Source 4/14/2015 7:56am
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DonM wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble but the the new KTM (the FE in the states) was developed extensively in the US by Ryan Morias and crew...They...
Hate to burst your bubble but the the new KTM (the FE in the states) was developed extensively in the US by Ryan Morias and crew...They did not race this bike in the GP's last year...and if any team has an I don't give a shit elitist attitude as you try to portray Decarli as having only shows how clueless you are...all the big 5 teams on both side of the pond continuously share information.
You might want to let Pit know that Decarli doesn't give a rats ass...
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By the time Mo got to KTM the bike was already half-way through it's development cycle. Mo is also not on the testing staff, Mike Sleeter...
By the time Mo got to KTM the bike was already half-way through it's development cycle. Mo is also not on the testing staff, Mike Sleeter and Miki Stoffard (Spelling?) took care of most of the on-the-bike stuff. Most tests were conducted in Europe, although there were bikes sent over here at different points for race team evaluation. So Roger and Ian had a lot of say in what was going on with the bike as well.
It does seem that KTM is courting the American market with a clever marketing campaign.
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ML512 4/14/2015 8:03am
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It does seem that KTM is courting the American market with a clever marketing campaign.
I'd really love to hear your explanation on this one, because you've really been coming across like the backside of a donkey.
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The Source wrote:
It does seem that KTM is courting the American market with a clever marketing campaign.
ML512 wrote:
I'd really love to hear your explanation on this one, because you've really been coming across like the backside of a donkey.
It just seems like a very well thought out & clever future marking strategy, It has a info commercial marketing aspect to it and you can't deny that there are some very good people employed in the marketing dept at KTM. It does make sense that KTM would target it's product promotion to a very exclusive client as it always has by moving away from the typical Japan "new plastic & graphics, new product"
mass market. I am excited that the suggestions in development are being considered by KTM in Austria. No doubt KTM is forging forward in it's agenda of domination in the off road market and it is succeeding. No dummies in that Austrian boardroom.
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It just seems like a very well thought out & clever future marking strategy, It has a info commercial marketing aspect to it and you can't...
It just seems like a very well thought out & clever future marking strategy, It has a info commercial marketing aspect to it and you can't deny that there are some very good people employed in the marketing dept at KTM. It does make sense that KTM would target it's product promotion to a very exclusive client as it always has by moving away from the typical Japan "new plastic & graphics, new product"
mass market. I am excited that the suggestions in development are being considered by KTM in Austria. No doubt KTM is forging forward in it's agenda of domination in the off road market and it is succeeding. No dummies in that Austrian boardroom.
I do agree with "No dummies in that Austrian boardroom" comment. It was really interesting talking to Roger Decoster about dealing with Austria directly. He compared it to his earlier days running Honda racing operations, where he could basically call and talk directly to the chassis and engine guys as much as he wanted. He mentioned that later on at Honda it became a mess to request any changes and things like that were slow to happen at Suzuki. With KTM however, he can have a lot of parts made here to test without any issues from Austria's side and then can pass on the results, as Austria also works with them on what their teams learn in the GPs. Also, we mentioned how he once again had direct access to the main R&D guys in Austria. Ian Harrison told me the same when it came to engine development.
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In his case, and his case alone, he would be undoubtedly the world's best rider if he were to win the MXGP Championship this year.
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I don't want to assume so will ask you to clarify please in his case and his case alone. Right now it appears you are saying...
I don't want to assume so will ask you to clarify please in his case and his case alone. Right now it appears you are saying if 222 wins he won't be the world champion but if RV wins he will be.
It's pretty simple really. Your assumption is probably right. It is a common sense type of thing.
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h&m_cycle wrote: yeah shitty ass tracks, Glen Helen with that baked dirt in the desert looks like Hiroshima after it got nuked.

Dude you're clueless
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No your clueless raced @ saddleback probably before you were born, Indian Dunes. There's tracks that look like GH in the East, the ones that were...
No your clueless raced @ saddleback probably before you were born, Indian Dunes.

There's tracks that look like GH in the East, the ones that were Strip mined
Ok ill bite old man h&m

My dad took me as a kid to see Bengt Aberg, Joel Robert and other euros race at Saddleback in 1968.

Having lived here my entire life I raced at the two you listed among others Saddleback, Indian Dunes, Escape Country, Sunrise, Perris, Starwest, De Anza, Corona, Claude Osteens, Irwindale, Ascot, Saddleback II, VMC, Competition Park 1 &2, Comp Edge Glen Helen probably a few others.

I currently ride or race at Glen Helen 2-4 times a month and your description of Glen Helen is clueless and that you are in Ohio
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mccread 4/14/2015 9:12am
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h&m_cycle wrote:








GL didn't say that, GL said HE THINKS the riders over here will be interested.






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But...click the link dammit. Gatedrop needs hits for mccread.
He said this.. "Yes, there is a big interest. I cannot tell you the names as it’s too early but we have several very good riders who are interested in taking part in the MXGP."
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h&m_cycle wrote:








GL didn't say that, GL said HE THINKS the riders over here will be interested.






426Hemi wrote:
But...click the link dammit. Gatedrop needs hits for mccread.
mccread wrote:
He said this.. "Yes, there is a big interest. I cannot tell you the names as it’s too early but we have several very good riders...
He said this.. "Yes, there is a big interest. I cannot tell you the names as it’s too early but we have several very good riders who are interested in taking part in the MXGP."
I clicked the link for you.
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h&m_cycle 4/14/2015 9:24am
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Spode wrote:
h&m_cycle wrote: yeah shitty ass tracks, Glen Helen with that baked dirt in the desert looks like Hiroshima after it got nuked.

Dude you're clueless
h&m_cycle wrote:
No your clueless raced @ saddleback probably before you were born, Indian Dunes. There's tracks that look like GH in the East, the ones that were...
No your clueless raced @ saddleback probably before you were born, Indian Dunes.

There's tracks that look like GH in the East, the ones that were Strip mined
Spode wrote:
Ok ill bite old man h&m My dad took me as a kid to see Bengt Aberg, Joel Robert and other euros race at Saddleback in...
Ok ill bite old man h&m

My dad took me as a kid to see Bengt Aberg, Joel Robert and other euros race at Saddleback in 1968.

Having lived here my entire life I raced at the two you listed among others Saddleback, Indian Dunes, Escape Country, Sunrise, Perris, Starwest, De Anza, Corona, Claude Osteens, Irwindale, Ascot, Saddleback II, VMC, Competition Park 1 &2, Comp Edge Glen Helen probably a few others.

I currently ride or race at Glen Helen 2-4 times a month and your description of Glen Helen is clueless and that you are in Ohio
and your clueless to what real dirt is, those tracks are all in the desert. I raced all over.

Lived in Florida for 20 years, as far as ohio goes I'm 20 minutes from Pittsburgh, My home track

would be HighPoint in Pa. They have HILLS there too, enough to make RC cry on ESPN when he couldn't

make it around the track in the mud. Think it was 1997
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Motocross is in a similar position as roadracing was in the 90s during the heyday of world superbikes. Talent was split between WSBK and the 500GPs, there was not a well defined top series. Today MOTOGP is where the best riders are and the most money is in.

Todays WSBK champion is a World Champion, but that doesnt mean that he competed against ALL of the best riders in the world same as todays Motocross World Champion.
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Interestingly , while KTM are seriously looking at a MotoGP project, they are going to pull the RC8 from sale as soon as their track only RC16 is ready because the KTM head honcho thinks 200bhp sportbikes dont belong on the road , and the will be selling the track only RC16 as a non-road homologated bike..

Thats a brave move , and one i fully agree with , and have done for a long time.
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early wrote:
Motocross is in a similar position as roadracing was in the 90s during the heyday of world superbikes. Talent was split between WSBK and the 500GPs...
Motocross is in a similar position as roadracing was in the 90s during the heyday of world superbikes. Talent was split between WSBK and the 500GPs, there was not a well defined top series. Today MOTOGP is where the best riders are and the most money is in.

Todays WSBK champion is a World Champion, but that doesnt mean that he competed against ALL of the best riders in the world same as todays Motocross World Champion.
I kinda see what you're getting at. But MotoGP and World Superbike are totally different. The guy who wins the World Superbike Champion is a true world champion in the discipline of racing Superbikes, just like the MX world champion is a true world champ in the discipline of racing Motocross.
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I always love reading some comedy during the day. Hahahahaha. There is and always will be one great motocross series and it will always be in America!!!!
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jmx411 wrote:
I always love reading some comedy during the day. Hahahahaha. There is and always will be one great motocross series and it will always be in...
I always love reading some comedy during the day. Hahahahaha. There is and always will be one great motocross series and it will always be in America!!!!
You love comedy that much you thought you'd try some of your own, cos that was a joke right? No way anyone could say something that stupid and seriously mean it

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The only good thing about this being RV's last year is that next year we can go back to dealing with this crap once a year during MXDN.

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moto282 wrote:
The only good thing about this being RV's last year is that next year we can go back to dealing with this crap once a year...
The only good thing about this being RV's last year is that next year we can go back to dealing with this crap once a year during MXDN.

Very true. Its only getting worse as the GP series goes on. Fun to watch the races, dumb to read all this.
scott_nz 4/14/2015 11:30am
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I can't believe you don't want a world championship with all the best riders in the world if you are a fan om MX. RV trying...
I can't believe you don't want a world championship with all the best riders in the world if you are a fan om MX.

RV trying his luck in the GP's has proved there is a huge demand and interest for such a thing. There are more interest for this than over your SX. Much more interest than the GP's had before. It's a win/win for gods sake.

I rate my interest like this. 1) World championship 2) Ama Nationals 3) US SX and other national MX

My dream would be like this 1) World championship à la MotoGP 2) different feeder series to earn a place here 3) No SX at all involving the top mx riders because I don't enjoy watching it and it gets the riders injured.

My guess is that a lot of the audience at SX aren't really die hard mx fans. They just enjoy the show whether it's monstertrucks, freestyle or SX. I can not see another reason for them to prefer that our sport doesn't evolve. Am I correct?

I can totally understand that my closest GP in Sweden wouldn't be on the list of a "MotoGp" world championship I would be happy to give it up. Imagine the top 40 in the whole world racing againt each other every other weekend. How can that not be the dream of every fan???
i would love to see a proper world series (esp with rounds in the southern hemisphere), but don't see it happening, as the budgets for the US series come from their distributors, and since the US is the biggest dirt bike market in the world by a long way i don't see them wanting to spend that money in other markets,
The Source 4/14/2015 11:44am
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The Source wrote:
It just seems like a very well thought out & clever future marking strategy, It has a info commercial marketing aspect to it and you can't...
It just seems like a very well thought out & clever future marking strategy, It has a info commercial marketing aspect to it and you can't deny that there are some very good people employed in the marketing dept at KTM. It does make sense that KTM would target it's product promotion to a very exclusive client as it always has by moving away from the typical Japan "new plastic & graphics, new product"
mass market. I am excited that the suggestions in development are being considered by KTM in Austria. No doubt KTM is forging forward in it's agenda of domination in the off road market and it is succeeding. No dummies in that Austrian boardroom.
ML512 wrote:
I do agree with "No dummies in that Austrian boardroom" comment. It was really interesting talking to Roger Decoster about dealing with Austria directly. He compared...
I do agree with "No dummies in that Austrian boardroom" comment. It was really interesting talking to Roger Decoster about dealing with Austria directly. He compared it to his earlier days running Honda racing operations, where he could basically call and talk directly to the chassis and engine guys as much as he wanted. He mentioned that later on at Honda it became a mess to request any changes and things like that were slow to happen at Suzuki. With KTM however, he can have a lot of parts made here to test without any issues from Austria's side and then can pass on the results, as Austria also works with them on what their teams learn in the GPs. Also, we mentioned how he once again had direct access to the main R&D guys in Austria. Ian Harrison told me the same when it came to engine development.
You have to admit that my pivot was pretty slick. I was not aware or concerned with the US side of the KTM marketing/promo and I admit that. it is a little clearer how KTM can produce a clever marketing scheme to maintain it's US sales by working within the production rule of the AMA and at the same time still produce a "prototype" machine for the GP's that does not have the restrictive rules of the AMA. Actually a perfect situation where they can dream, develop and test a machine in Europe before having to pass the configuration over to the manufacturing/production accounting/retooling team to optimize the profit margins.Agreed, "no dummies in the boardroom in Austria".
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jmx411 wrote:
I always love reading some comedy during the day. Hahahahaha. There is and always will be one great motocross series and it will always be in...
I always love reading some comedy during the day. Hahahahaha. There is and always will be one great motocross series and it will always be in America!!!!
RY4N37 wrote:
You love comedy that much you thought you'd try some of your own, cos that was a joke right? No way anyone could say something that...
You love comedy that much you thought you'd try some of your own, cos that was a joke right? No way anyone could say something that stupid and seriously mean it
Can't wait for the South Carolina National this year, They got it going on down there.
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I kinda see what you're getting at. But MotoGP and World Superbike are totally different. The guy who wins the World Superbike Champion is a true...
I kinda see what you're getting at. But MotoGP and World Superbike are totally different. The guy who wins the World Superbike Champion is a true world champion in the discipline of racing Superbikes, just like the MX world champion is a true world champ in the discipline of racing Motocross.
You are correct that WSBK and MOTOGP are vastly different. My point is that in the days of the RC45 and OW01 WSBK was viewed as a series much closer to the GPs than it is today in terms of money and technology. So the world premier class was essentially split between the 2, as todays MX world is.

Todays WSBK and MOTOGP series are not analagous the MXGP vs. AMA NATIONALS.
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TDeath21 wrote:
In his case, and his case alone, he would be undoubtedly the world's best rider if he were to win the MXGP Championship this year.
The Rock wrote:
I don't want to assume so will ask you to clarify please in his case and his case alone. Right now it appears you are saying...
I don't want to assume so will ask you to clarify please in his case and his case alone. Right now it appears you are saying if 222 wins he won't be the world champion but if RV wins he will be.
TDeath21 wrote:
It's pretty simple really. Your assumption is probably right. It is a common sense type of thing.
Total absence of common sense with your position that RV will be world champ if he wins but 222 won't be.

First we had a poster saying the only world MX title that matters is the supercross title and now your post.

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i would love to see a proper world series (esp with rounds in the southern hemisphere), but don't see it happening, as the budgets for the...
i would love to see a proper world series (esp with rounds in the southern hemisphere), but don't see it happening, as the budgets for the US series come from their distributors, and since the US is the biggest dirt bike market in the world by a long way i don't see them wanting to spend that money in other markets,
One of my aftermarket exhaust manufacturer customers told me while the US market is the biggest single market the total international market dwarfs the US market.
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Define "top."
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MXGooner 4/14/2015 5:25pm
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There is a world motocross championship being promoted by the FIM that has evolved into the biggest showcase this sport has to offer. It's gonna be on "Big Fox" live in two weeks, and if it exceeds expectations, I doubt there will be many top AMA riders looking to race MXGP.

No disrescpect but, yea I'm sure a lot of "top" guys like Leib, Decotis and Osborne (08) are all the sudden interested in racing the GPs
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Me too mccread! This year the US racers don't have any excuses except maybe not wanting to get spanked by "those slow euros." :-) Euros won't...
Me too mccread! This year the US racers don't have any excuses except maybe not wanting to get spanked by "those slow euros." :-)

Euros won't have a home track advantage so that excuse goes out the window as well. This year's USGP could be the closest thing we've had to a Trans AM since the 70s but that all depends on how many US riders step up to the challenge.
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I agree with this^
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jmar-Great to hear from you and hope you've been good. Thanks for the agreement and for relating for where I am coming from. GuyB-Surprised but more...
jmar-Great to hear from you and hope you've been good. Thanks for the agreement and for relating for where I am coming from.

GuyB-Surprised but more disappointed at your post that you have to play your MXgeoff card especially after I go out of my way to avoid the immature BS "my series is better than your series" nonsense. Unfortunately that doesn't keep people like A.Dleary from putting words in my mouth but that is typical MX forum spin so I consider the source. It used to aggravate me but now it amuses me to see how people how to misrepresent facts to suit their biases rather than just focus on the facts.

You can go the mxgeoff route on me if you want to but look at my avatar if you want to know what really gets my juices flowing. I had that avatar when I joined Motonews in 2004 and with the exception of close to two years with the lovely Salma Hayek my avatar has always been a shot I took from the bridge at Namur in 2000. Going to the 250/500 GP there was a bucket list check off and to this day I can't believe I was there. The fact I was there with my late friend Phil Alderton makes the trip all the more memorable.

Back to the present remember what Barcia said in the MXdN press conference about the tracks being so different in Europe than what our US riders are used to? Well sports fans here is another chance for American racers to face the Rest of the World on US home turf.

I challenge anyone that calls themselves a fan of MX to tell me you don't want to see US riders competing in this years USGP.





All is good with me and the family Rock.

I guess I am just stupid. But all of this Euro vs. America nonsense is why riders are not willing to go and race.

The riders know it's different. They know that it's a big change and they might not perform to support the nonsense of all of the flag waving fans here in the US.

It sucks that most American fans have this mentality that we can't lose to the Euro's with out shame.
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Joelessi going to Italy ?

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