JS7 speaks with Matthes

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4/6/2015 4:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 4:49pm
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
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4/6/2015 4:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 4:59pm
Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
I couldn't get through your post.

2nd sentence in & I knew it was the same old biased hater shit.
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4/6/2015 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 5:10pm
Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
Moto75 wrote:
I couldn't get through your post.

2nd sentence in & I knew it was the same old biased hater shit.
You calling me a biased hater? That's laughable. I'm a huge JS7 fan and what he does in a motorcycle is super human.

You couldn't be further from the truth. I just want an even playing field in our sport and it starts with enforcing the rules for all competitors. WADA doesn't care who JS7 is. They aren't making him the "guinea pig" or making an example out if him. He got 16 months because they retroactived his suspension back to when he tested positive.

It doesn't matter if you are the biggest draw to the sport or the three digit rider in the way back of the pits. It's pretty simple.


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4/6/2015 5:04pm
Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they fucked up on suspending JS7 for a year its total bull shit fine the guy dock points but don't take him out of racing over him not signing a peace of paper.

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Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
moose man wrote:
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they...
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they fucked up on suspending JS7 for a year its total bull shit fine the guy dock points but don't take him out of racing over him not signing a peace of paper.
I agree, but you must learn what the meaning of a "run on sentence" is please!!!
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Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
Moto75 wrote:
I couldn't get through your post.

2nd sentence in & I knew it was the same old biased hater shit.
Regis wrote:
You calling me a biased hater? That's laughable. I'm a huge JS7 fan and what he does in a motorcycle is super human. You couldn't be...
You calling me a biased hater? That's laughable. I'm a huge JS7 fan and what he does in a motorcycle is super human.

You couldn't be further from the truth. I just want an even playing field in our sport and it starts with enforcing the rules for all competitors. WADA doesn't care who JS7 is. They aren't making him the "guinea pig" or making an example out if him. He got 16 months because they retroactived his suspension back to when he tested positive.

It doesn't matter if you are the biggest draw to the sport or the three digit rider in the way back of the pits. It's pretty simple.


Even playing feild bull shit coming from a dip shit u put this out there like he was taking some kind of steroid with anyone and every one knows it doesn't help in any way so why a year of being suspended? It was a bull shit call
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Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
moose man wrote:
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they...
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they fucked up on suspending JS7 for a year its total bull shit fine the guy dock points but don't take him out of racing over him not signing a peace of paper.
But that's not what he got popped for.

He got popped for having a banned substance in his system.


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Should have called him on the IV incident.
Might as well call out all the top guys then while you're at it.
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4/6/2015 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 5:37pm
Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
moose man wrote:
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they...
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they fucked up on suspending JS7 for a year its total bull shit fine the guy dock points but don't take him out of racing over him not signing a peace of paper.
Regis wrote:
But that's not what he got popped for.

He got popped for having a banned substance in his system.


Adderall is a stimulant that many athletes take for an advantage. If it wasn't found to have performance enhancing effects on people it wouldn't be on the banned list. They don't just throw things on the banned list just because.

Adderall was on the ban list BEFORE James tested positive in his test. They didn't add it on the list after. Wether you think it helps or not, ITS ON THE BANNED LIST and if you are taking it withiut following the proper channels to get an exemption, you are cheating according to the rules. If the rule is dumb, or people don't agree... Ok. I get that. But that's a different argument all together.

Lots of people need it to get by, lots of athletes use it for an advantage, lots of people use it recreationally as a drug.

Again, it simply goes back to knowing the rules and following them and that is the responsibility of the competitor, in any sport. Not just MX
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Even playing feild bull shit coming from a dip shit u put this out there like he was taking some kind of steroid with anyone and...
Even playing feild bull shit coming from a dip shit u put this out there like he was taking some kind of steroid with anyone and every one knows it doesn't help in any way so why a year of being suspended? It was a bull shit call
This might all be over your head ... particularly how the legal process and precedent work.


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These are questions that MXA received about the James Stewart doping scandal. Hold on to your hat.

(1) WHY DOESN’T JAMES GO RACE IN EUROPE LIKE RYAN VILLOPOTO?

The FIM controls both the AMA Supercross series and the MXGP series — and they have both hired WADA to conduct drug tests. So, James is banned from Europe also. As for the idea that racing will suffer without James Stewart on the track, there is no doubt that it will — right up until the gate drops for Anaheim 1 and the rest of the talented riders starts dicing. Somehow our sport has survived the loss of Ricky Carmichael, Jeremy McGrath, Ricky Johnson, David Bailey, Bob Hannah and Tony DiStefano. It has the uncanny ability to find new heroes.

(2) IF THE AMA NATIONALS ARE NOT REALLY WITH THE AMA AND THEY AREN’T AFFILIATED WITH THE FIM, WHY CAN’T HE RACE THE NATIONALS?

The AMA Nationals are neither FIM nor AMA, as they are owned by an entity called “AMA Pro Racing” which is owned by Daytona’s France family. Unfortunately for James, the AMA Nationals signed on with USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) and they are a signatory to the WADA system. In the end James is lucky that his 16-month punishment didn’t start from the date he raced his last AMA National in 2014—because, in the FIM’s opinion, he shouldn’t have been allowed to race the Nationals (because of the WADA/USADA connection).

(3) WHY DIDN’T THEY FINE HIM $50,000 AND LET HIM RACE?

Since James is the first racer caught up in an AMA drug scandal, his punishment sets the pattern for all future punishments. Thus, if they fined him $50,000 and then a week later caught some struggling privateer, they would have to fine him $50,000. James can afford it, but it would put most riders into deep debt and end their careers. James has the right to appeal the FIM decision and he should. Given past history, he might be able to get a reduced sentence.

(4) IF THEY LET RICKY CARMICHAEL GET AWAY WITH ILLEGAL GAS IN 2006, WHY NOT JAMES?

There is not a person in the sport who didn’t know that the Carmichael ruling was a glad handing, back slapping, political decision that was wrong in every sense (and one of the many rulings that gave the AMA a black eye). It’s bad when riders or teams cheat, but even worse when sanctioning bodies cheat. Here is a quick history of Carmichael’s fuel-gate: Jeff Emig’s fuel was illegal at the 1996 Indianapolis Supercross and he was disqualified. Then, Chad Reed, David Vuillemin and Tyson Hadsell were penalized 25 points each for having fuel that tested out of compliance on lead content at the 2004 Dallas Supercross. A year later, in 2005, the AMA penalized James Stewart and Michael Byrne 25 points for too much lead. Finally, at the 2006 San Diego Supercross, Ricky Carmichael’s fuel failed the lead test. Was he disqualified as Jeff Emig had been? No. Was he penalized 25 points as Byrne, Stewart, Vuillemin, Reed and Hadsell had been? No. Instead, Carmichael was fined $20,000, which Suzuki paid, and Ricky got to keep his finishing position, purse money and AMA points. Oh, yeah, and the 25 points Ricky got to keep earned him the 2006 Supercross Championship, which he would have lost to James Stewart by 23 points.

(5) WHY DID NFL PLAYERS ONLY GET A COUPLE GAME SUSPENSION FOR THE SAME ADDERALL VIOLATION AND JAMES GOT 16 MONTHS?

The NFL runs their own drug testing system and they hand out the penalties — which are part of the collective bargaining agreement with the players union. The NFL drug policy is not handled by an independent organization like WADA, but by the league itself. Since the league does the testing, the adjudication and hands out the penalties, they are working in their own best interest. NASCAR has the same system as the NFL, minus the player’s union, and if you think Dale Earnhardt, Jr. would get the same penalty as A. J. Allmendinger you need to be drug tested. Neither Major League Baseball, the NFL or NASCAR are models that should be looked up to in drug testing.

(6) IF STEWART HAD A PRESCRIPTION FOR ADDERALL WHY IS HE BEING PUNISHED SO HEAVILY?

Since Adderall is used by many athletes as a cover for performance enhancing drugs, and Adderall itself can be performance enhancing when used in specific doses, its appearance in an athlete’s portfolio rings alarm bells. WADA asked Stewart in Seattle if he was taking any drugs or medication. He said “No.” So, when his test came back positive for amphetamines, which is in Adderall, WADA saw his negative answer as an attempt to hide what he was taking. When they discovered that he hadn’t file a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption), which would have allowed him to use prescribed doses of a medically required drug, this raised a second red flag at WADA. James may claim that he was guilty of stupidity, but WADA deals with the world’s greatest athletes and has heard every imaginative excuse possible — lots of them stupider. Now, say that James’ lawyers asked to have the B-sample tested — this raises a third flag because why would an athlete — who is admitting to taking Adderall want a second test — unless he was hoping it would prove that he wasn’t taking Adderall. The snowball effect of all of the permutations can build up quickly. Plus, saying “No” and not filing the proper paperwork are violations of the FIM Drug Code in themselves and demand a punishment. Sadly, WADA polices the complete spectrum of international sport and they believe that if an Olympic swimmer gets 16-months for the same offense, and a Tour de France cyclist gets 16-month for the same offense, then a motocross racer should get 16-months.

(7) WHY DOES THE FIM HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH AMA SUPERCROSS?

Back in 2001 the AMA and Supercross race promoter Clear Channel Entertainment (formerly SFX Motorsports and PACE Motorsports) had a falling out. The AMA claimed that Clear Channel was trying to take control of the AMA Supercross series and decided to find a new promoting group — which was Jam Sports. At the time the war between the AMA and Clear Channel could have resulted in two competing Supercross series and the factory teams, bound by their fiduciary responsibility to the AMA, would have been required to race the AMA series. It was gonna be messy because the factory teams had always supported the AMA and many of the manufacturers were on the AMA Board of Directors. Clear Channel needed a way to get the manufacturers out of their legal connection to the AMA. And they found one. By sanctioning the Supercross series with the FIM, they could trump the AMA and give the factories a way to race with Clear Channel — because the FIM was the world governing body and the AMA was only a national federation of the FIM. Thus, the Supercross promoters signed a long-term deal to become the FIM World Supercross series. The AMA, realizing it had been outsmarted, gave up and aligned with Clear Channel again. As for Jam Sports, who got left out in the cold, they sued Clear Channel in 2005 and won a $90,000,000 punitive judgment. That is 90 million with lots of zeroes! The judgment was set aside and new trial was scheduled, but the case was settled out of court. Thus, FIM is the sanctioning body of record for political reason — not because we need them —but because Clear Channel needed them.

(8) JAMES SAID THAT HE “RECEIVED BOTH WADA AND USADA APPROVALS” TO PROVE THAT HE WASN’T CHEATING, SO WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL?

James is playing fast and loose with the time line with that statement. It’s not actually accurate to the situation. After he was caught with amphetamines in his system, he applied for a TUE and provided all of the medical, doctor and prescription info to the FIM. But, that is kind of like getting a speeding ticket ten miles from your house and then wanting it rescinded because you are doing the speed limit 5 miles later. His TUE is good for 2015. His punishment is for 2014. And, anyone who wants to, including the Seattle Seahawks backfield, can to get a prescription for Adderall by telling a doctor the right story.

IHstewie

(9) I NEVER HEARD OF ANY OTHER RACER GETTING A SUSPENSION — WHY JAMES?

You haven’t heard of them because you didn’t care, but they are out there. Here are some examples. In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s were fined, lost points and had to pay the FIM hearing costs. Bartolini’s sample contained nandrolone (anabolic steroid), while Van Doorn’s contains amfepramone (a derivative of amphetamine). Claudio Federici who was second in the 1999 125 World Championship failed a drug test for a metabolite of cocaine in 2002 and was suspended for 6-months. Josh Coppins tested six times over the limit for the stimulant pseudo-ephedrine, which he said he got from taking an over-the-counter hay fever tablet. Since ephedrine typically carries a 3-month ban, Coppins was given a 3-month ban, but it was suspended. But, he lost the points he earned at that race. Road racer Noriyuki Haga tested positive for Ephedrine in 2000 and received a one-month ban and had his points deducted. Haga lost 25 points during his ban and lost the WSBC to Colin Edwards. In November of 2013, MotoGP road racer Anthony West failed for methylhexaneamine (which he said he got from an energy drink). Originally, he got a one month ban from the FIM, but WADA appealed the decision and West was given an 18-month ban. In 2013, World Sidecar Cross competitor Lauris Daiders tested positive for the substance clenbuterol and got a 15-month ban. Want more? Back in 1975 an AMA rider named Ron Self told the AMA that his license application was “in the mail” and they let him race the Hangtown National. It turns out that Ron mailed the application to the AMA the day after Hangtown. They banned him from racing for 12 months! And that was for paperwork mistake.

(10) WHY DON’T THEY LET JAMES RIDE, BUT NOT PAY HIM ANY POINTS?

First and foremost, he has been banned for using a banned drug — and thus is not eligible to race until he serves his time or wins an appeal to have his sanction shortened (but that probably would not happen until after the 2015 Supercross season starts). Second, why would the sport want a rider on the track, who is ineligible to race, taking places away from legal riders, not to mention taking a spot on the starting gate that could go to a rider who didn’t violate the FIM drug code. And, no matter how many riders vow support for James Stewart on social media sites, they are only supporting him on the length of his suspension. Behind the scenes they know that the only way to stop racers from cheating by using performance enhancing drugs is to catch someone and punish him. Thus, they think James should get a lesser punishment in public statements, but, in private, don’t support him on the bigger issue. Most motocross fans, those who understand what is going on with drugs and sports, are of the same belief. These sanctions may apply directly to James Stewart in particular, but they also place a burden on the AMA, Feld, MX Sports and Suzuki to abide by them.
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the funny this is JS could lap half the field on a bigwheel, yet gets busted for something stupid that really has little bearing on his ability or performance.
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Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
moose man wrote:
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they...
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they fucked up on suspending JS7 for a year its total bull shit fine the guy dock points but don't take him out of racing over him not signing a peace of paper.
Regis wrote:
But that's not what he got popped for.

He got popped for having a banned substance in his system.


The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books because he was not the only rider taking it they simple got pissed at him for not filling out the paperwork and telling them ahead of time ........so its now a legal substance in the rule bookso I guess its not really a stimulant because if it was it would still be illegal. So try and find some other bullshit to come up with
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moose man wrote:
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books...
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books because he was not the only rider taking it they simple got pissed at him for not filling out the paperwork and telling them ahead of time ........so its now a legal substance in the rule bookso I guess its not really a stimulant because if it was it would still be illegal. So try and find some other bullshit to come up with
What....medication are you on???
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He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they...
He wasn't popped for any thing other then not filling out there dam peace of paper this is a stupid call by the fim guys they fucked up on suspending JS7 for a year its total bull shit fine the guy dock points but don't take him out of racing over him not signing a peace of paper.
Regis wrote:
But that's not what he got popped for.

He got popped for having a banned substance in his system.


moose man wrote:
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books...
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books because he was not the only rider taking it they simple got pissed at him for not filling out the paperwork and telling them ahead of time ........so its now a legal substance in the rule bookso I guess its not really a stimulant because if it was it would still be illegal. So try and find some other bullshit to come up with
Wow. Just........ Wow.

I have no response to this.
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moose man wrote:
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books...
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books because he was not the only rider taking it they simple got pissed at him for not filling out the paperwork and telling them ahead of time ........so its now a legal substance in the rule bookso I guess its not really a stimulant because if it was it would still be illegal. So try and find some other bullshit to come up with
DonM wrote:
What....medication are you on???
hahahahahaha

If I had been drinking coffee I would have sprayed.

I don't normally play spell cop ... but 'band' substance?? Really??

I'm just finishing listening to the podcast and I don't hear much of James owning it either. More like a ton of spin.

I'd be interested to know whose job in his camp it was to handle the paperwork. This all could have been avoided.

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I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
I'm with you here. He broke the rules and a penalty was and is in order.

However, I still feel like his complaints are valid. I didn't hear that he was trying to get completely out of being penalized. It sounded to me like he was frustrated with the length of time that the entire process has taken, and that he feels like the penalty is a bit too harsh.


4/6/2015 6:01pm
Race if your going to put up a post like that with all these facts alteast have all your facts right James said in the transworld interview that the night in Seattle he told WADA he was taking adderal and he had his prescription with him and James stayed the same thing in racerx podcast. So he never checked no to not taking anything in the paper work on that night Seattle.
4/6/2015 6:05pm
TripleFive wrote:
Should have called him on the IV incident.
mx836 wrote:
Might as well call out all the top guys then while you're at it.
What evidence has there been incriminating other riders?
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Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
I'm with you here. He broke the rules and a penalty was and is in order. However, I still feel like his complaints are valid. I...
I'm with you here. He broke the rules and a penalty was and is in order.

However, I still feel like his complaints are valid. I didn't hear that he was trying to get completely out of being penalized. It sounded to me like he was frustrated with the length of time that the entire process has taken, and that he feels like the penalty is a bit too harsh.


I completely agree.

Some complaints ARE VALID, but these are discussions you should have before you get "caught".

I do hope that he can get a reduced suspension.










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Here is a serious question:

What happens if a rider is found to be using similar substances that Lance Armstrong (never was actually caught using,) used? Lifetime ban? 2 years? 1 year?

I'd be willing to bet that this sport will never catch a true blood doper. It's a small sport. The top riders don't need it, and the bottom riders can't afford it.

It's another failed attempt at legitimizing the sport, that has backfired because people don't understand the complexity behind such a rule set.
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4/6/2015 6:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 6:16pm
Race if your going to put up a post like that with all these facts alteast have all your facts right James said in the transworld...
Race if your going to put up a post like that with all these facts alteast have all your facts right James said in the transworld interview that the night in Seattle he told WADA he was taking adderal and he had his prescription with him and James stayed the same thing in racerx podcast. So he never checked no to not taking anything in the paper work on that night Seattle.
It doesn't work like that. You can't just have a prescription.

A T.U.E is a lot different than a prescription.

I can get a prescription tomorrow, anyone can for HGH, Testosterone, adderall,
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4/6/2015 6:13pm
Regis wrote:
But that's not what he got popped for.

He got popped for having a banned substance in his system.


moose man wrote:
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books...
The band substance in his system was his adhd medication that 5 days after they took the test became a legal substance In the rule books because he was not the only rider taking it they simple got pissed at him for not filling out the paperwork and telling them ahead of time ........so its now a legal substance in the rule bookso I guess its not really a stimulant because if it was it would still be illegal. So try and find some other bullshit to come up with
Regis wrote:
Wow. Just........ Wow.

I have no response to this.
He has to be a troll. There's no way that spelling is an accident.
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4/6/2015 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 6:16pm
Regis wrote:
I couldn't get through it. The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors...
I couldn't get through it.

The explanation he gives and trying to push it off on the powers that be came off as smoke and mirrors to me.

The rules are there. His punishment isn't any worse than anyone else's who has been popped for the same thing in any other sport. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of Adderall is, it's against the rules unless a TUE is in place BEFORE getting caught. As a world class athlete and a champion of the sport that is taking a medication, he or his camp can not expect MXports, FIM or AMA to "make sure he knew it wasn't legal". They didn't know he was taking it, the rules state you can't.

In the eyes of the rules, he was cheating. Taking something without telling someone or clearing it and calling foul after the fact sucks because I am a fan. But it's not taking responsibility as he should.

Getting a TUE after the fact does not make it ok. Or prove he was playing by the rules. It just looks more shady. (imo)

I hope he gets to line up at the outdoors, but I wish it was because he took responsibility, accepted he was out of the rules and the process of appeals reduces his suspension.

Maybe later in the the interview he does, but I couldn't get past he or Matthes acting as if it was the sports fault he didnt know the rules.
I'm with you here. He broke the rules and a penalty was and is in order. However, I still feel like his complaints are valid. I...
I'm with you here. He broke the rules and a penalty was and is in order.

However, I still feel like his complaints are valid. I didn't hear that he was trying to get completely out of being penalized. It sounded to me like he was frustrated with the length of time that the entire process has taken, and that he feels like the penalty is a bit too harsh.


Regis wrote:
I completely agree. Some complaints ARE VALID, but these are discussions you should have before you get "caught". I do hope that he can get a...
I completely agree.

Some complaints ARE VALID, but these are discussions you should have before you get "caught".

I do hope that he can get a reduced suspension.










We're on the same page. This stuff needs some more thought behind it, that is all.

It does suck that James seems to be on the short end of the stick every time. His fuel was bad at one point, remember that? Well Ricky had bad fuel, as well. What was that outcome there? Everyone realized that the fuel testing was bogus. Some guys had to live with a penalty that was based on a flawed system, other guys...not so much.

*edit-

My point here is that they (the governing bodies) should learn a bit from this and reduce his sentence.
4/6/2015 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 6:20pm
Here is a serious question: What happens if a rider is found to be using similar substances that Lance Armstrong (never was actually caught using,) used...
Here is a serious question:

What happens if a rider is found to be using similar substances that Lance Armstrong (never was actually caught using,) used? Lifetime ban? 2 years? 1 year?

I'd be willing to bet that this sport will never catch a true blood doper. It's a small sport. The top riders don't need it, and the bottom riders can't afford it.

It's another failed attempt at legitimizing the sport, that has backfired because people don't understand the complexity behind such a rule set.
HGH would help with recovery and would keep a rider fresh throughout the year. Top riders don't need this?

It's not blood doping, but it still is PED use.
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So if they do reduce his penalty what would be appropriate? Right from the start of Nats? Or how about suspended for the first round then good to go. Still makes an impact on his title, but then could at least race.
4/6/2015 6:24pm
I enjoyed James on the Pulpshow prior and this interview.

However, there is a big difference between therapeutic use and PED use. And there is no stopping someone from taking a PED sized dose.

Plus, its amazingly easy to get a TUE, for ANY banned substance. And in 3 days you can test 100% clean unless you're an idiot no matter what you're on.

This whole testing gig is Bullshit.



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TripleFive wrote:
HGH would help with recovery and would keep a rider fresh throughout the year. Top riders don't need this? It's not blood doping, but it still...
HGH would help with recovery and would keep a rider fresh throughout the year. Top riders don't need this?

It's not blood doping, but it still is PED use.
It would, wouldn't it? Who uses it? Better yet: why haven't they been caught?
4/6/2015 6:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 6:36pm
Race if your going to put up a post like that with all these facts alteast have all your facts right James said in the transworld...
Race if your going to put up a post like that with all these facts alteast have all your facts right James said in the transworld interview that the night in Seattle he told WADA he was taking adderal and he had his prescription with him and James stayed the same thing in racerx podcast. So he never checked no to not taking anything in the paper work on that night Seattle.
Regis wrote:
It doesn't work like that. You can't just have a prescription. A T.U.E is a lot different than a prescription. I can get a prescription tomorrow...
It doesn't work like that. You can't just have a prescription.

A T.U.E is a lot different than a prescription.

I can get a prescription tomorrow, anyone can for HGH, Testosterone, adderall,
Regis I agree with you his prescription is shit in WADA's eyes. There is no excuse for not having his TUE in place before hand. With that being said I feel like him being upfront at time of test proves he wasn't trying to hide it and later getting TUE granted by WADA proves that he wasn't gaining an advantage from it he actually needs it for medical reasons or WADA wouldn't have granted him TUE. SOME missed supercross races should definitely been in his penalty but I think keeping him out of both series is a bit excessive. If WADA wouldn't have granted him TUE then that would tell me that he is gaining an advantage from adderal and then yes 16 months to 24 months suspension would be necessary.

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