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jemcee 4/3/2015 1:43am
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TDeath21 wrote:
It's not fair to compare GP riders and AMA riders. Here's why: MX is the only thing they both ride, so that's really the only comparison...
It's not fair to compare GP riders and AMA riders. Here's why:

MX is the only thing they both ride, so that's really the only comparison we can make. That's not fair to the AMA riders, since they spend half of the year (actually a little more) training for SX, and a little under half the year training for MX. GP riders are training for MX year round. This gives them an unfair advantage if we only compare MX. The other side to the coin is that SX has to be taken into account, since it's half the racing the AMA guys do. A dominant SX guy who is top 5 in MX should be considered a top rider. That's not fair to GP riders though, since they never even train for SX. It's an epic paradox that has no conclusion. That's why I will never rank riders of GP and AMA together.

That being said, here's my current list.

AMA:

1. Roczen
2. Musquin
3. Are there other Europeans in the AMA series I'm missing? My brain isn't working today.

GP:

1. Cairoli
2. Desalle
3. Nagl
4. Paulin
5. Herlings
This isn't a shot at you man but I've been noticing this a bit lately.. Not long ago when the US was dominating the Des Nations SX was mostly the reason people were giving as to why, as it helped them with their intensity from the gate drop, now it seems it's a disadvantage.. I can't keep up haha
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jemcee wrote:
This isn't a shot at you man but I've been noticing this a bit lately.. Not long ago when the US was dominating the Des Nations...
This isn't a shot at you man but I've been noticing this a bit lately.. Not long ago when the US was dominating the Des Nations SX was mostly the reason people were giving as to why, as it helped them with their intensity from the gate drop, now it seems it's a disadvantage.. I can't keep up haha
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dice78 wrote:
This shit is really easy KR94 is #1 he kick ass on both sides..and I think he won the 450 Title in his first year killing...
This shit is really easy KR94 is #1 he kick ass on both sides..and I think he won the 450 Title in his first year killing #5 #41 #22 #3 #7
LOL is this a troll or what? Standings don't say that

GP of Germany MX1 2012
MXoN in Germany 2013

both times Cairoli was clearly faster in Roczen's home track so I don't get on what objective criterias you wrote that but ok I respect it Tongue

being on topic I don't know, Herlings is still in the MX2 class. This could be trivial but well, I mentioned GP of Germany 2012, Searle went 1-1 over Herlings in MX2, it wasn't a fluke, I'd point out that he battled with Herlings whole season, now sad to say but he's not doing great in MXGP, and I'm not talking only about 2015 season... the same might happen to Herlings when he'll move up to MXGP. He's used to race against inexperienced kids I'm curious on what could he do in the MXGP class. Until that this is my standing:

1. Cairoli
2. Desalle
3. Roczen
4. Nagl
5. Paulin


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1. Herlings
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It's Cairoli, by far... But still today, as everyone can see, he doesn't get the credit he deserve... It's always the same mostly, Everts was so much better, and Herlings is so much faster and would beat him... When in fact Everts had much much weaker competition for almost every one of his 10 titles, when his main rivals Albertyn, Tortelli, Pichon, all moved to AMA and they came back to Europe with injuries and out of prime... Herlings, there is so much fanboyism around him it's unbelievable, he still hasn't demonstrated shit, except for sand, raking up titles in MX2 isn't exactly stuff of legend right now... He makes fastest laps than MXGP sometimes? Big deal, tracks are much less rougher in MX2 motos, and he's not the only one with faster laptimes... Even in the AMA Nationals sometimes the 250 are going faster than 450... The competition in MX2 in the last years is not that great, plus the styles are different, more balls out for Herlings, more tactics in MXGP... So, unless he goes up and prove something, saying that he's the best and the fastest is pointless... The KTM 350, a complete POS at that level... A great amateurs bike, but against factory bikes and top riders it sucks big time, no torque and no traction, the fact that Cairoli is able to win even on hardpack it's another testament to his talent and skills... Look at Nagl and Short when they tried that POS, their results suffered big time, no one uses it on AMA, Dungey and Roczen made the right choice for the 450... Having said all that, i would put Cairoli at the top, then Roczen, Herlings, Desalle and Paulin tied, then Nagl, as of now... Musquin somewhere in there...

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Aryen 4/3/2015 5:07am
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It's Cairoli, by far... But still today, as everyone can see, he doesn't get the credit he deserve... It's always the same mostly, Everts was so...
It's Cairoli, by far... But still today, as everyone can see, he doesn't get the credit he deserve... It's always the same mostly, Everts was so much better, and Herlings is so much faster and would beat him... When in fact Everts had much much weaker competition for almost every one of his 10 titles, when his main rivals Albertyn, Tortelli, Pichon, all moved to AMA and they came back to Europe with injuries and out of prime... Herlings, there is so much fanboyism around him it's unbelievable, he still hasn't demonstrated shit, except for sand, raking up titles in MX2 isn't exactly stuff of legend right now... He makes fastest laps than MXGP sometimes? Big deal, tracks are much less rougher in MX2 motos, and he's not the only one with faster laptimes... Even in the AMA Nationals sometimes the 250 are going faster than 450... The competition in MX2 in the last years is not that great, plus the styles are different, more balls out for Herlings, more tactics in MXGP... So, unless he goes up and prove something, saying that he's the best and the fastest is pointless... The KTM 350, a complete POS at that level... A great amateurs bike, but against factory bikes and top riders it sucks big time, no torque and no traction, the fact that Cairoli is able to win even on hardpack it's another testament to his talent and skills... Look at Nagl and Short when they tried that POS, their results suffered big time, no one uses it on AMA, Dungey and Roczen made the right choice for the 450... Having said all that, i would put Cairoli at the top, then Roczen, Herlings, Desalle and Paulin tied, then Nagl, as of now... Musquin somewhere in there...
So you're writing down a big argument how Herlings "hasn't demonstrated shit" and then you tie him for second best??

Strange...
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mccread 4/3/2015 5:58am
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1.Cairoli
2.Herlings - might be faster than Cairoli ( he's probably the fmotp) but Cairoli has the full package of speed, avoiding injury and managing a series.
3.Roczen - tough between Ken and Herlings but I think Herlings has improved more than Kenny since 2011 in terms of mx speed.
4.Desalle
5.Paulin


Van Horebeek, Nagl possibly Musquin, although he has lost something outdoors since he left GPs and moved to the USA, could be in the discussion too and on their day can beat all of the above, and with many more coming through like Febvre Gajser, Ferrandis, Jonass etc and more down the pipeline, Europe is producing some amazing riders right now.



mattktmhall 4/3/2015 6:54am
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Cairoli all day long and until someone wins 8 titles it won't be any different
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Febrve is my tip to be the next big thing... awesome on a supermoto bike.
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Stefan82 4/3/2015 8:12am
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TDeath21 wrote:
It's not fair to compare GP riders and AMA riders. Here's why: MX is the only thing they both ride, so that's really the only comparison...
It's not fair to compare GP riders and AMA riders. Here's why:

MX is the only thing they both ride, so that's really the only comparison we can make. That's not fair to the AMA riders, since they spend half of the year (actually a little more) training for SX, and a little under half the year training for MX. GP riders are training for MX year round. This gives them an unfair advantage if we only compare MX. The other side to the coin is that SX has to be taken into account, since it's half the racing the AMA guys do. A dominant SX guy who is top 5 in MX should be considered a top rider. That's not fair to GP riders though, since they never even train for SX. It's an epic paradox that has no conclusion. That's why I will never rank riders of GP and AMA together.

That being said, here's my current list.

AMA:

1. Roczen
2. Musquin
3. Are there other Europeans in the AMA series I'm missing? My brain isn't working today.

GP:

1. Cairoli
2. Desalle
3. Nagl
4. Paulin
5. Herlings
Ninurta wrote:
Wilson is European... Noren also.
That's not much if we can't name more Dry
Tonus, the 2015 outdoor champion.
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TDeath21 4/3/2015 8:16am
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TDeath21 wrote:
It's not fair to compare GP riders and AMA riders. Here's why: MX is the only thing they both ride, so that's really the only comparison...
It's not fair to compare GP riders and AMA riders. Here's why:

MX is the only thing they both ride, so that's really the only comparison we can make. That's not fair to the AMA riders, since they spend half of the year (actually a little more) training for SX, and a little under half the year training for MX. GP riders are training for MX year round. This gives them an unfair advantage if we only compare MX. The other side to the coin is that SX has to be taken into account, since it's half the racing the AMA guys do. A dominant SX guy who is top 5 in MX should be considered a top rider. That's not fair to GP riders though, since they never even train for SX. It's an epic paradox that has no conclusion. That's why I will never rank riders of GP and AMA together.

That being said, here's my current list.

AMA:

1. Roczen
2. Musquin
3. Are there other Europeans in the AMA series I'm missing? My brain isn't working today.

GP:

1. Cairoli
2. Desalle
3. Nagl
4. Paulin
5. Herlings
jemcee wrote:
This isn't a shot at you man but I've been noticing this a bit lately.. Not long ago when the US was dominating the Des Nations...
This isn't a shot at you man but I've been noticing this a bit lately.. Not long ago when the US was dominating the Des Nations SX was mostly the reason people were giving as to why, as it helped them with their intensity from the gate drop, now it seems it's a disadvantage.. I can't keep up haha
I have never thought that the USA winning the Des Nations had anything to do with racing SX. Maybe I'm in the minority though. Who knows?
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Park Boys 4/3/2015 8:46am
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Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377 then Paulin. If it's just MX AC222 then Roczen. To compare a guy with 250 titles to guys with 450 titles is ludicrous. Hearlings was/is no where near as dominate as a guy racing the 125's in the AMA from 02-04. That guy moved up and was usually a second place guy, a minute in front of third though. When you get on the big bike that's where you prove your legacy.
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1.Cairoli 2.Herlings - might be faster than Cairoli ( he's probably the fmotp) but Cairoli has the full package of speed, avoiding injury and managing a...
1.Cairoli
2.Herlings - might be faster than Cairoli ( he's probably the fmotp) but Cairoli has the full package of speed, avoiding injury and managing a series.
3.Roczen - tough between Ken and Herlings but I think Herlings has improved more than Kenny since 2011 in terms of mx speed.
4.Desalle
5.Paulin


Van Horebeek, Nagl possibly Musquin, although he has lost something outdoors since he left GPs and moved to the USA, could be in the discussion too and on their day can beat all of the above, and with many more coming through like Febvre Gajser, Ferrandis, Jonass etc and more down the pipeline, Europe is producing some amazing riders right now.



I think at the end of the AMA series last year Marvin looked better than he ever has in his career. The title this year could be his if he comes in healthy. I can't wait for Martin v Webb v Marvin v Adam.
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RY4N37 4/3/2015 9:10am
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Park Boys wrote:
Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377...
Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377 then Paulin. If it's just MX AC222 then Roczen. To compare a guy with 250 titles to guys with 450 titles is ludicrous. Hearlings was/is no where near as dominate as a guy racing the 125's in the AMA from 02-04. That guy moved up and was usually a second place guy, a minute in front of third though. When you get on the big bike that's where you prove your legacy.
Not as dominant? In 2013 and 2014 Herlings won 48 out of 54 races he raced in, that's pretty dominant, and two of those losses was when he was riding with a broken femur and one was in a superfinal. Add to that a 3rd and a 1st overall in class at the MXoN on a 350. When he moves up my money is on him to take the title
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Alucard 4/3/2015 9:13am
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Aryen wrote:
So you're writing down a big argument how Herlings "hasn't demonstrated shit" and then you tie him for second best??

Strange...
Look, my argument regarding how Herlings hasn't demonstrated shit is referred to the silly fanboyism around him, people saying that he's clearly the fastest man on the planet and would kick everyone's ass... Having said that, i'm not blind or stupid, i see his natural talent and speed, and his championships, that's why i put him third behind Roczen and in front of Desalle, Paulin, Nagl, although one can make the argument that those three could have won a championship or more if not for a monster like Cairoli... Is Herlings more talented and faster than Cairoli? For me no, maybe a bit faster on sand, maybe, still think that a fully fit Cairoli on his game can run with him on every sand track except maybe Lierop, Herlings backyard... Agreed with Park Boys regarding Roczen and Musquin versatility...
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Park Boys 4/3/2015 9:31am
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Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377...
Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377 then Paulin. If it's just MX AC222 then Roczen. To compare a guy with 250 titles to guys with 450 titles is ludicrous. Hearlings was/is no where near as dominate as a guy racing the 125's in the AMA from 02-04. That guy moved up and was usually a second place guy, a minute in front of third though. When you get on the big bike that's where you prove your legacy.
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Not as dominant? In 2013 and 2014 Herlings won 48 out of 54 races he raced in, that's pretty dominant, and two of those losses was...
Not as dominant? In 2013 and 2014 Herlings won 48 out of 54 races he raced in, that's pretty dominant, and two of those losses was when he was riding with a broken femur and one was in a superfinal. Add to that a 3rd and a 1st overall in class at the MXoN on a 350. When he moves up my money is on him to take the title
As crazy as his stats are they are still less dominate than Bubba at 16-18 on an underpowered bike racing ex national and world champs. Jeffery was not setting the pace until Marvin and Roczen were gone he spent the first couple years playing catch up, his stats have been bloated since Tommy left. Tommy won 4-5 GP's against Jeffrey in 2012 and has done next to nothing in the premier class. When Jeffrey raced the fly away races he was not moving through the pack like AC222 was on a 250 at the MxDN before his crash, and AC didn't race 250 for 6 years at that point. Hearlings is a bona fide future MX1 champ but he is hoping father time helps him beat AC222 as much as his talents.
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RY4N37 4/3/2015 9:41am
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Park Boys wrote:
Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377...
Overall, Roczen and Marvin are in a class of their own. They are extremely proficient in both SX and MX and then you would go CP377 then Paulin. If it's just MX AC222 then Roczen. To compare a guy with 250 titles to guys with 450 titles is ludicrous. Hearlings was/is no where near as dominate as a guy racing the 125's in the AMA from 02-04. That guy moved up and was usually a second place guy, a minute in front of third though. When you get on the big bike that's where you prove your legacy.
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Not as dominant? In 2013 and 2014 Herlings won 48 out of 54 races he raced in, that's pretty dominant, and two of those losses was...
Not as dominant? In 2013 and 2014 Herlings won 48 out of 54 races he raced in, that's pretty dominant, and two of those losses was when he was riding with a broken femur and one was in a superfinal. Add to that a 3rd and a 1st overall in class at the MXoN on a 350. When he moves up my money is on him to take the title
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As crazy as his stats are they are still less dominate than Bubba at 16-18 on an underpowered bike racing ex national and world champs. Jeffery...
As crazy as his stats are they are still less dominate than Bubba at 16-18 on an underpowered bike racing ex national and world champs. Jeffery was not setting the pace until Marvin and Roczen were gone he spent the first couple years playing catch up, his stats have been bloated since Tommy left. Tommy won 4-5 GP's against Jeffrey in 2012 and has done next to nothing in the premier class. When Jeffrey raced the fly away races he was not moving through the pack like AC222 was on a 250 at the MxDN before his crash, and AC didn't race 250 for 6 years at that point. Hearlings is a bona fide future MX1 champ but he is hoping father time helps him beat AC222 as much as his talents.
He was doing well against Musquin and Roczen considering he was just a kid of 15, I know Roczen is the same age, but even he had a season over him. His speed has really gone up a level over the last two years since Tommy moved up. Tonus was as good last year as Tommy was in 2012, but he never really had anything for him. I agree that he needs to move up to really prove how good he is, but when he does I think we'll see something very very special
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1.Cairoli
2. Herlings
3. Roczen
4. Musquin
5. Nagl
6. DeSalle
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Cant believe Musquin is not in a lot of your top 5s......smh Whistling

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RY4N37 4/3/2015 9:57am
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Cant believe Musquin is not in a lot of your top 5s......smh Whistling
If these lists were compiled at the end of 2010 then he'd probably be in a lot of top 3's. I just don't see him in the top 5 Europeans at the moment. If his outdoors go as well for him as SX then that changes it
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dice78 4/3/2015 10:01am
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For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend off he never come and try his luck in the ama.. desalle came other guys came and struggle. this talk of Jeffrey is 1 of the best has to stop.. for me he aint did shit yet KR94 CP377 Musquin all win in the gps and came over and win races and titles so they all above jeffrey
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Alucard 4/3/2015 10:27am
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dice78 wrote:
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend...
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend off he never come and try his luck in the ama.. desalle came other guys came and struggle. this talk of Jeffrey is 1 of the best has to stop.. for me he aint did shit yet KR94 CP377 Musquin all win in the gps and came over and win races and titles so they all above jeffrey
Well said Park Boys, very few remember Searle having mostly the upper hand on Herlings on hardpack, in 2012... Or the silly superfinals of 2013, Herlings was never close to Cairoli, both on track and laptimes... As you can see when both 250 and 450 raced together Herlings wasn't making faster laptimes... MXON 2014, before the unlucky crash, during all weekend, Cairoli was destroying the 250 field just like Herlings, making also faster laptimes that the 450, and as you rightly said he didn't touch the smaller bike since 2008... Cairoli has what, 1 or 2 years max of top level? He's approaching 30, the competition is hard like never before, he isn't like Everts who could continue to 34-35 because he was running alone, so yeah, when Herlings decides to go up, Cairoli would be probably done... Desalle and Strijbos didn't struggle at all, for a one off without their factory bikes, they did well in the AMA National, in my opinion, remember also Desalle rocking Unadilla 2010, second behind Dungey...
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For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend...
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend off he never come and try his luck in the ama.. desalle came other guys came and struggle. this talk of Jeffrey is 1 of the best has to stop.. for me he aint did shit yet KR94 CP377 Musquin all win in the gps and came over and win races and titles so they all above jeffrey
The thing you have to realise is that not everyone wants to ride Supercross. Cairoli and Everts are no less great because they didn't race in America. Cairoli already had to jump way out of his comfort zone to get to where he is today. RC raced in his home country his whole career and he gets called the GOAT, Cairoli often has his achievements belittled because he never raced in the US. It's just ridiculous
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Tonus, the 2015 outdoor champion.
Not going to happen. Although Tonus did very good last year in MX2 (6th O/A), he's not going win a championship his first year against our guys.

I'll throw down $100US that Tonus doesn't take the 250 AMA National Championship this year. Up for it?
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dice78 wrote:
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend...
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend off he never come and try his luck in the ama.. desalle came other guys came and struggle. this talk of Jeffrey is 1 of the best has to stop.. for me he aint did shit yet KR94 CP377 Musquin all win in the gps and came over and win races and titles so they all above jeffrey
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The thing you have to realise is that not everyone wants to ride Supercross. Cairoli and Everts are no less great because they didn't race in...
The thing you have to realise is that not everyone wants to ride Supercross. Cairoli and Everts are no less great because they didn't race in America. Cairoli already had to jump way out of his comfort zone to get to where he is today. RC raced in his home country his whole career and he gets called the GOAT, Cairoli often has his achievements belittled because he never raced in the US. It's just ridiculous
He's called the GOAT because he didn't just "race in his home country his whole career". He DOMINATED for an entire decade. He put up numbers that will never be broken. He didn't just win championships, he had two perfect seasons and three perfect overall seasons. He never lost an MX championship. Ever. He never even had to ride the last round to win it. Once Carmichael got on a 250, he dominated the Des Nations, no matter where they were held or who was there. Also remember how huge the US is. His home country still requires a ton of travel.
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dice78 wrote:
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend...
For me I think you have to prove you can win on both sides ac222 is a great rider but when the gps have a weekend off he never come and try his luck in the ama.. desalle came other guys came and struggle. this talk of Jeffrey is 1 of the best has to stop.. for me he aint did shit yet KR94 CP377 Musquin all win in the gps and came over and win races and titles so they all above jeffrey
RY4N37 wrote:
The thing you have to realise is that not everyone wants to ride Supercross. Cairoli and Everts are no less great because they didn't race in...
The thing you have to realise is that not everyone wants to ride Supercross. Cairoli and Everts are no less great because they didn't race in America. Cairoli already had to jump way out of his comfort zone to get to where he is today. RC raced in his home country his whole career and he gets called the GOAT, Cairoli often has his achievements belittled because he never raced in the US. It's just ridiculous
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He's called the GOAT because he didn't just "race in his home country his whole career". He DOMINATED for an entire decade. He put up numbers...
He's called the GOAT because he didn't just "race in his home country his whole career". He DOMINATED for an entire decade. He put up numbers that will never be broken. He didn't just win championships, he had two perfect seasons and three perfect overall seasons. He never lost an MX championship. Ever. He never even had to ride the last round to win it. Once Carmichael got on a 250, he dominated the Des Nations, no matter where they were held or who was there. Also remember how huge the US is. His home country still requires a ton of travel.
I think you're missing my point. I didn't mean that RC should not be called the GOAT, he is certainly the best rider of my lifetime. Just saying that it's fine that he never moved across the pond to take on a season of GP's, but Cairoli gets criticised for not going the opposite way. Not everyone wants to race the American series
crusty_xx 4/3/2015 1:25pm
4/3/2015 1:25pm
Stefan82 wrote:
Tonus, the 2015 outdoor champion.
dean122 wrote:
Not going to happen. Although Tonus did very good last year in MX2 (6th O/A), he's not going win a championship his first year against our...
Not going to happen. Although Tonus did very good last year in MX2 (6th O/A), he's not going win a championship his first year against our guys.

I'll throw down $100US that Tonus doesn't take the 250 AMA National Championship this year. Up for it?
I wouldnt bet but I think he has a shot. Next to Musquin Webb and Martin (maybe AC). Could be a great season

Depends on how good he can adapt. He adapted pretty quickly to SX so I hope he can do the same for outdoors.
plus he has just been back on the bike yesterday or so.
2strokerider 4/4/2015 1:24am
4/4/2015 1:24am
Stefan82 wrote:
Tonus, the 2015 outdoor champion.
dean122 wrote:
Not going to happen. Although Tonus did very good last year in MX2 (6th O/A), he's not going win a championship his first year against our...
Not going to happen. Although Tonus did very good last year in MX2 (6th O/A), he's not going win a championship his first year against our guys.

I'll throw down $100US that Tonus doesn't take the 250 AMA National Championship this year. Up for it?
crusty_xx wrote:
I wouldnt bet but I think he has a shot. Next to Musquin Webb and Martin (maybe AC). Could be a great season Depends on how...
I wouldnt bet but I think he has a shot. Next to Musquin Webb and Martin (maybe AC). Could be a great season

Depends on how good he can adapt. He adapted pretty quickly to SX so I hope he can do the same for outdoors.
plus he has just been back on the bike yesterday or so.
if tonus is fully fit then he will be a championship contender and win races outdoors. Wouldn't bet against him- but musquin/webb/ ac (if he can finish the season) will all be up there too- the 250 outdoors will be great if they all stay in one piece all season

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