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Falcon 3/17/2015 3:38pm
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Tracktor wrote:
These stories are exactly why big bikes and small shouldn't be on the track together. I have some relatively fast boys but we don't ride mixed...
These stories are exactly why big bikes and small shouldn't be on the track together. I have some relatively fast boys but we don't ride mixed practices. If they got hurt/caused someone else to get hurt it would be my fault for allowing it...........Any parent that puts their kid out on the track with big bikes is a moron....................(imo)....................
I'm OK with kids on the main track if they're fast. There's nothing wrong with a Supermini rider or even a good 65cc guy out there on the track, as long as he can hold a line and isn't going so slowly that you come up on him faster than you can react.
Also, it doesn't hurt if dad can ride behind him to produce a barrier.
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Mx286 3/17/2015 4:19pm
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Broke mine end of November last year. Had to wait a week before surgery. The worst part was sleeping before the surgery, once you have it you'll be feeling a lot better few days after. Doctor told me 3 months but I felt good at 8 weeks and started riding again. Take the time to let it heal, better off than going back early and risk hurting it again.
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41NDT 3/17/2015 4:37pm
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jerry atrick moto wrote:
I agree about split practice but i think it would have been the same outcome if it were an adult. I had a split second to...
I agree about split practice but i think it would have been the same outcome if it were an adult. I had a split second to decide ride over his chest or eat it.
F150Motocrosser wrote:
Kudos for risking personal injury to avoid further harm to your fellow rider. I believe positive karma will swing your way down the road. Good luck...
Kudos for risking personal injury to avoid further harm to your fellow rider. I believe positive karma will swing your way down the road. Good luck dealing with the injury, heal up soon brother
Is this + karma Obama care to help his shoulder injury?
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fidiot 3/17/2015 4:52pm
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Tyler Bowers broke his collarbone last year on a Tuesday while practicing. He had surgery the next day to get it plated, then raced AX that Saturday night. obviously that is not recommended, but that is the fastest return to racing for a broken collarbone that i have heard of.

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jerry atrick moto 3/17/2015 6:19pm
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Mx286 wrote:
Broke mine end of November last year. Had to wait a week before surgery. The worst part was sleeping before the surgery, once you have it...
Broke mine end of November last year. Had to wait a week before surgery. The worst part was sleeping before the surgery, once you have it you'll be feeling a lot better few days after. Doctor told me 3 months but I felt good at 8 weeks and started riding again. Take the time to let it heal, better off than going back early and risk hurting it again.
Thanks to everyone for the info. Time to take some meds and try to get some sleep. Just want to get fixed its weird feeling those broken bones moving around .
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Tracktor 3/18/2015 9:49am
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Tracktor wrote:
These stories are exactly why big bikes and small shouldn't be on the track together. I have some relatively fast boys but we don't ride mixed...
These stories are exactly why big bikes and small shouldn't be on the track together. I have some relatively fast boys but we don't ride mixed practices. If they got hurt/caused someone else to get hurt it would be my fault for allowing it...........Any parent that puts their kid out on the track with big bikes is a moron....................(imo)....................
Falcon wrote:
I'm OK with kids on the main track if they're fast. There's nothing wrong with a Supermini rider or even a good 65cc guy out there...
I'm OK with kids on the main track if they're fast. There's nothing wrong with a Supermini rider or even a good 65cc guy out there on the track, as long as he can hold a line and isn't going so slowly that you come up on him faster than you can react.
Also, it doesn't hurt if dad can ride behind him to produce a barrier.
I see what you are saying and my boys are fast enough to go with the flow and hold their lines/do most jumps on 65's. BUT, if something went wrong and they tangle with a big bike the smaller rider is gonna get hurt. It's not worth it for me. I have followed my boy at times but that presents an even bigger obstacle sometimes. My older boy who is on superminis I have issues with him as he is big enough now to fit in...........................I see kids on 50's out there and the parents nowhere to be seen......Frankly, I am surprised tracks can get insurance for mixed practices..............
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Falcon 3/18/2015 12:31pm
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Tracktor wrote:
These stories are exactly why big bikes and small shouldn't be on the track together. I have some relatively fast boys but we don't ride mixed...
These stories are exactly why big bikes and small shouldn't be on the track together. I have some relatively fast boys but we don't ride mixed practices. If they got hurt/caused someone else to get hurt it would be my fault for allowing it...........Any parent that puts their kid out on the track with big bikes is a moron....................(imo)....................
Falcon wrote:
I'm OK with kids on the main track if they're fast. There's nothing wrong with a Supermini rider or even a good 65cc guy out there...
I'm OK with kids on the main track if they're fast. There's nothing wrong with a Supermini rider or even a good 65cc guy out there on the track, as long as he can hold a line and isn't going so slowly that you come up on him faster than you can react.
Also, it doesn't hurt if dad can ride behind him to produce a barrier.
Tracktor wrote:
I see what you are saying and my boys are fast enough to go with the flow and hold their lines/do most jumps on 65's. BUT...
I see what you are saying and my boys are fast enough to go with the flow and hold their lines/do most jumps on 65's. BUT, if something went wrong and they tangle with a big bike the smaller rider is gonna get hurt. It's not worth it for me. I have followed my boy at times but that presents an even bigger obstacle sometimes. My older boy who is on superminis I have issues with him as he is big enough now to fit in...........................I see kids on 50's out there and the parents nowhere to be seen......Frankly, I am surprised tracks can get insurance for mixed practices..............
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I would definitely not let my kids go out on the big track without watching them like a hawk (and not until they get a little older and much, much faster than they are now!)

The truth is that most tracks around here have at least one option for little bikes. They should ride those tracks and venture out onto the bigger track only under very controlled circumstances.
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Trent179 3/18/2015 12:52pm
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No riding until fall? Whaaat? A collarbone is the best bone to break, imo. Putting a plate in fixes you right up & you should be...
No riding until fall? Whaaat? A collarbone is the best bone to break, imo. Putting a plate in fixes you right up & you should be back on the bike in no time...............I will say breaking on through the plate is no fun, however................
Agreed... Tyler Bowers raced like 3 days after getting his plated. Lol. I know that is unrealistic but a month should be close. Broke both of mine, crooked as hell. Haha
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AZnewb450 3/18/2015 5:26pm
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I dont post very often, just saw this. I am actually a medical sales rep for the titanium plates and screws that are used to fix us all back up.

From my experience in the industry, and I actually was in 2 clavicle surgeries yesterday. And from learning from my Trauma doc.

1. he recommends always getting them plated if they are not in alignment. If they are in alignment, then it can be just left to heal. But by not fixing the misaligned bones you would probably end up with shoulder issues in the future.

2. I am not sure how it works in other states, but here in AZ, you break a bone and its out of alignment, you usually get seen pretty quickly by the on call orthopedic surgeon. and then you get the surgery within a couple of days at the hospital. It also depends on your insurance policy as well as if it needs prior authorizations and what not.

3. Recovery time. somebody mentioned i believe bowers was racing that weekend a week after. Not a good idea. He was not healed. he was stabilized by the plate and screws. If he crashed, boom, plate broken and then another surgery. the collarbone is actually 1 of the 3 hardest bones to completely heal due to the lack of blood flow to the bone. for a bone to completely heal, the avg person is about 6-8 weeks. 6 weeks is fast for it to be solid. lets face it, unless your a pro and getting paid a lot of money, coming back early and riding is not the smartest of ideas.

4. a lot of docs use the anterior plating method now instead of the plate running on top of the bone, i personally would rather have it done anterior (front of body).

5. So for some advice, I would not ride for at least 6 weeks. I dont know about your insurance policy, but surgeries are expensive. and to not let it heal and to have to pay for another surgery, well you could have went out and bought yourself a brand new ktm factory edition for less than what the surgeries are gonna cost you depending on your policy.
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Radical 3/18/2015 11:57pm
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jerry atrick moto wrote:
Open practice Sunday a kid about 12 or so on a 80 lost it right in front of me on a split lane corner.His bike went...
Open practice Sunday a kid about 12 or so on a 80 lost it right in front of me on a split lane corner.His bike went off the track he was face up right in my path. Only place i could go was over him or down. By the time the dust cleared and i got up on my knees i seen him walk off track. But i was not so lucky. I walked off but left collar bone made the skin on my shoulder look like the st Louis arch broken in three pieces. hospital wouldn't touch it had to see an orthopedic surgeon. Cant get in until Thursday Is this common practice to make someone wait with a badly broken bone?. From what i googled it looks like a plate and screws for me. And no riding until fall. How long before you rode with a similar break thanks.
My hats off to you and the rest of the guys who've put themselves in harms way to protect another rider.
Heal up quickly!
GeorgiePorgie 3/19/2015 6:00am
3/19/2015 6:00am Edited Date/Time 3/19/2015 6:01am
Did the same thing you did 16 years ago. Didn't have surgery for 10 days. Plate and 7 screws. Broke 3 places. Middle piece was shattered all to hell. Wore the bra for 10 days before they said this isn't gonna heal right and fixed it right. Best decision my parents made my shoulder isn't sborter than my other and I don't have a nasty knot. Hardware a still in.

I remember water skiing 2 weeks after the surgery. Before the surgery I couldn't get out of bed without help.
jerry atrick moto 3/19/2015 9:12am
3/19/2015 9:12am
AZnewb450 wrote:
I dont post very often, just saw this. I am actually a medical sales rep for the titanium plates and screws that are used to fix...
I dont post very often, just saw this. I am actually a medical sales rep for the titanium plates and screws that are used to fix us all back up.

From my experience in the industry, and I actually was in 2 clavicle surgeries yesterday. And from learning from my Trauma doc.

1. he recommends always getting them plated if they are not in alignment. If they are in alignment, then it can be just left to heal. But by not fixing the misaligned bones you would probably end up with shoulder issues in the future.

2. I am not sure how it works in other states, but here in AZ, you break a bone and its out of alignment, you usually get seen pretty quickly by the on call orthopedic surgeon. and then you get the surgery within a couple of days at the hospital. It also depends on your insurance policy as well as if it needs prior authorizations and what not.

3. Recovery time. somebody mentioned i believe bowers was racing that weekend a week after. Not a good idea. He was not healed. he was stabilized by the plate and screws. If he crashed, boom, plate broken and then another surgery. the collarbone is actually 1 of the 3 hardest bones to completely heal due to the lack of blood flow to the bone. for a bone to completely heal, the avg person is about 6-8 weeks. 6 weeks is fast for it to be solid. lets face it, unless your a pro and getting paid a lot of money, coming back early and riding is not the smartest of ideas.

4. a lot of docs use the anterior plating method now instead of the plate running on top of the bone, i personally would rather have it done anterior (front of body).

5. So for some advice, I would not ride for at least 6 weeks. I dont know about your insurance policy, but surgeries are expensive. and to not let it heal and to have to pay for another surgery, well you could have went out and bought yourself a brand new ktm factory edition for less than what the surgeries are gonna cost you depending on your policy.
I am not in a hurry to ride well who am i kidding yes i am. but!!! I do want to get fixed right. I go see my ortho today finally. Laying around broken is a pain in the ass or shoulder. I will just have to watch my boy's ride for a couple months. Got good insurance been on same job 25 years. So thanks again to everyone who posted . you mentioned lack of blood flow makes the collar bone one of the hardest to heal. Do i need to avoid getting a boner while i heal Woohoo
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Cygnus 3/19/2015 9:28am
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There are. 2 kinds of Motocrossers. The kind that have broken a collar bone and the kind that are gonna break a collar bone.
jerry atrick moto 3/24/2015 5:31pm
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Cygnus wrote:
There are. 2 kinds of Motocrossers. The kind that have broken a collar bone and the kind that are gonna break a collar bone.
Plate and 8 screws today. Thanks to all the Doctors and Nurses. Down but not out!!!


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500 Mike 3/24/2015 7:10pm
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Hang in there jerry. I bought a plate and 6 screws in 2006 after a trip over the bars. Had surgery the next day. Can't believe they made you wait this long. I was back riding in 8 weeks or so I believe. Haven't had any trouble with it since. Dr. told me it would be stronger than stock. Fortunately never gave it a good test. Hope you have a short, painless recovery.

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