why no ridersouvenir trailers like nascar?

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jmx411 3/11/2015 7:28am
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DC what it comes down to is most vital members do not understand basic business concepts. At times I think they think it doesn't cost you anything to run MX Sports.
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jmx411 3/11/2015 7:29am
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mgifracing wrote:
I think NASCAR's new idea would work for mx and sx. Kansas speedway did a small shop to try the new idea last fall. It was...
I think NASCAR's new idea would work for mx and sx. Kansas speedway did a small shop to try the new idea last fall. It was alot easier finding everything you wanted from multiple drivers all in one spot. The lines were alot smaller and you could get out of the cold at 8 in the cold ass Kansas morning.
Good to hear, going to Darlington labor day weekend so hoping I won't miss the drivers trailers.
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Running data lines or setting up wireless for credit card transactions for all the trucks might be an issue, idk
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DC wrote:
Any rider who wants to have their T-shirts sold at the merchandise trailers can sell them, just as anyone who wants to sell something at your...
Any rider who wants to have their T-shirts sold at the merchandise trailers can sell them, just as anyone who wants to sell something at your store or grocery store can work out a deal with their distributor to get their stock on the shelves. But you can't just walk into a mall or a grocery store or a stadium or a motocross track and just starting selling your own stuff. You even have to pay a fee to set up at a farmer's market. That's how retail works. If Jimmy DeCotis or Nick Wey want to sell shirts in the official merchandise rigs, they should develop their shirts and go make a deal with the event promoter -- just as they do at World of Outlaws, NASCAR, F1, Loretta Lynn's, Glen Helen, the NFL, the mall, every motorcycle dealership, or really any other actual business I can think of. It's not greedy, it's just the way run a sports or retail business and manage. I can't walk into an airport with a stack of magazines and say, "Hey, I'm a privateer (independent publisher) so put these on the shelves and sell them for me." Even the airport has a distribution chain and it's not free.

When riders have stuff to sell, we do all they can to help them sell them, but we also have to manage our business and the infrastructure of the series as well.

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Well said my man. Keep up the good work.

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mgifracing 3/11/2015 8:38am
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jmx411 wrote:
Good to hear, going to Darlington labor day weekend so hoping I won't miss the drivers trailers.
Their were actually things in the shopping tent that team semi's didn't have. Darlington is going to be pretty cool event this year. BK rocking a 25th Miller anniversary car there.
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If memory serves correctly at my age, I recall John Ayers owns the merchandise rigs and sells all the event t-shirts through his company Moto Tees. He also works for MXSports and was a member of the NPG if I recall. In the real world, that would be a conflict of interest, or maybe a monopolization.


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newmann 3/11/2015 9:28am
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I never could figure out why the top guys weren't selling their own line of products on their own websites. JS7 comes to mind. For years he had a website where he would post up stuff, dumb videos and such. Now with twatter, Facebook and instagram he could be making a killing selling his brand. Toss in an autograph and it's off the hook.
GeorgiePorgie 3/11/2015 9:33am
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Reeds are utilizing social media to sell stuff.

So is Miss Supercross. And by the looks of it, miss supercross has her office littered with SHIT boxed up and selling when she releases a calandar.

Privateers just need to do some marketing for themselves apparently. As if they already aren't tight for time.

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DC 3/11/2015 10:14am
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John Ayers does own Moto-Tees as well as Gear Race Services, and he builds the series structure at every race, manages the bannering, the parking, the paddock, puts up the media tent, and works with each promoter at every level. He is not a member of the NPG because he is not an actual race promoter, but he helps every promoter at all levels. He works hard and he works well, but that's neither a monopoly nor a conflict of interest; he just cut the best deal for both the nationals and for supercross merchandise, as those are his rigs that set up outside the stadiums. He was a former racer who built a business and he's kept it going for more than twenty years.

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Randy Savage 3/11/2015 10:17am
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Would still like to know what is preventing someone like Nick Wey from selling Mafia Moto pitcrew shirts at the Nationals.
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Steve 396 3/11/2015 10:35am
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Taking 40% is ridiculous if you ask me but I do think the venue should get something. That is the way business works but there is no way a privateer can pay that type of "fee" to sell merchandise. They already pay to enter the event so why not add a few bucks more and allow them to sell out of their van if they want and keep all the money they make? That benefits both parties. Folks at every level are greedy, it doesn't matter the business.
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elsinore 3/11/2015 10:37am
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DC, what happened to the All Sports AMA Pro Motocross online store? I purchased some sweet AMA pro motocross, RV, and Dungey t shirts at the time. Please bring it back.
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TeamGreen 3/11/2015 10:42am
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Randy Savage wrote:
Would still like to know what is preventing someone like Nick Wey from selling Mafia Moto pitcrew shirts at the Nationals.
Currently , and this is as I understnd it...

The Moto Tees folks have the exclusive on shirts and such; so, ...again....as I understand it...

The individual riders & teams had to negotiate a deal w/ MotoTees to sell at the races.

I'd heard Jungle Drums implying some aspects of this might be changing for 2015 MX.

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Hut 3/11/2015 10:53am
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See that is what we are talking about. Let a guy like Nick Wey sell stuff in his pits. About as difficult to set up as lemonade stand.
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Clutchy 3/11/2015 11:30am
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DC wrote:
Any rider who wants to have their T-shirts sold at the merchandise trailers can sell them, just as anyone who wants to sell something at your...
Any rider who wants to have their T-shirts sold at the merchandise trailers can sell them, just as anyone who wants to sell something at your store or grocery store can work out a deal with their distributor to get their stock on the shelves. But you can't just walk into a mall or a grocery store or a stadium or a motocross track and just starting selling your own stuff. You even have to pay a fee to set up at a farmer's market. That's how retail works. If Jimmy DeCotis or Nick Wey want to sell shirts in the official merchandise rigs, they should develop their shirts and go make a deal with the event promoter -- just as they do at World of Outlaws, NASCAR, F1, Loretta Lynn's, Glen Helen, the NFL, the mall, every motorcycle dealership, or really any other actual business I can think of. It's not greedy, it's just the way run a sports or retail business and manage. I can't walk into an airport with a stack of magazines and say, "Hey, I'm a privateer (independent publisher) so put these on the shelves and sell them for me." Even the airport has a distribution chain and it's not free.

When riders have stuff to sell, we do all they can to help them sell them, but we also have to manage our business and the infrastructure of the series as well.

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It's nice to hear you say how you really feel about the riders DC. Nice to her you actually say that " they're only a commodity like cracker jacks on your store shelf". It's sad that EVERYTHING has to be squeezed and juiced for all it's worth. DC you don't have to explain, justify or validate anything to me about business. Especially your own.

You're an opportunist, a business man. No harm in that. I wanted to hear you actually say you're squeezing the riders because it's what others do.

Scratch a track on some rolling hills, stake it, water it and we'll show up and watch guys go around it as fast as they can on dirt bikes. It's MY opinion that you and the others that be, have squeeze the riders for more then you should. They are the sport.

Here's the saddest part of your true statement... That the biggest difference from 1976 Hangtown and the 2015 Hangtown, is that business people got a hold of our sport, because there was money to extort from it. Just because somethings legal doesn't make it right or moral. Sorry your companies success depends on T-Shirt sales.

So you just keep diverting the attention to how airports are run, how mega billion dollar industries are run and how the grocery store is run. You didn't mention the pay offs and straight bribery that are common in grocery and retail product placement. You're using the same mindset as our politicians and big business.

IMO....The bottom line is, They don't want your help, they want your permission. They don't need your help, your help is like wearing handcuffs while someone rifles through your pockets... No thank you please...
wired4speed 3/11/2015 12:19pm
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If Reed wants to merchandize his TwoTwo business who is stopping him? He can sell shirts, hats, toys, etc. No one is stopping him. Every racer can brand himself if they want to. If Reed wants to charge $5 for his autograph to a line of fans he could do that too. This isn't nascar. Motocross will never have a tire rule..
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dcg141 3/11/2015 12:28pm
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So DC, is it true that the Steelers sell black jerseys so fans can have something for formal occasions?
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huck 3/11/2015 12:37pm
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DC wrote:
Any rider who wants to have their T-shirts sold at the merchandise trailers can sell them, just as anyone who wants to sell something at your...
Any rider who wants to have their T-shirts sold at the merchandise trailers can sell them, just as anyone who wants to sell something at your store or grocery store can work out a deal with their distributor to get their stock on the shelves. But you can't just walk into a mall or a grocery store or a stadium or a motocross track and just starting selling your own stuff. You even have to pay a fee to set up at a farmer's market. That's how retail works. If Jimmy DeCotis or Nick Wey want to sell shirts in the official merchandise rigs, they should develop their shirts and go make a deal with the event promoter -- just as they do at World of Outlaws, NASCAR, F1, Loretta Lynn's, Glen Helen, the NFL, the mall, every motorcycle dealership, or really any other actual business I can think of. It's not greedy, it's just the way run a sports or retail business and manage. I can't walk into an airport with a stack of magazines and say, "Hey, I'm a privateer (independent publisher) so put these on the shelves and sell them for me." Even the airport has a distribution chain and it's not free.

When riders have stuff to sell, we do all they can to help them sell them, but we also have to manage our business and the infrastructure of the series as well.

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Clutchy wrote:
It's nice to hear you say how you really feel about the riders DC. Nice to her you actually say that " they're only a commodity...
It's nice to hear you say how you really feel about the riders DC. Nice to her you actually say that " they're only a commodity like cracker jacks on your store shelf". It's sad that EVERYTHING has to be squeezed and juiced for all it's worth. DC you don't have to explain, justify or validate anything to me about business. Especially your own.

You're an opportunist, a business man. No harm in that. I wanted to hear you actually say you're squeezing the riders because it's what others do.

Scratch a track on some rolling hills, stake it, water it and we'll show up and watch guys go around it as fast as they can on dirt bikes. It's MY opinion that you and the others that be, have squeeze the riders for more then you should. They are the sport.

Here's the saddest part of your true statement... That the biggest difference from 1976 Hangtown and the 2015 Hangtown, is that business people got a hold of our sport, because there was money to extort from it. Just because somethings legal doesn't make it right or moral. Sorry your companies success depends on T-Shirt sales.

So you just keep diverting the attention to how airports are run, how mega billion dollar industries are run and how the grocery store is run. You didn't mention the pay offs and straight bribery that are common in grocery and retail product placement. You're using the same mindset as our politicians and big business.

IMO....The bottom line is, They don't want your help, they want your permission. They don't need your help, your help is like wearing handcuffs while someone rifles through your pockets... No thank you please...
Where does he say that the riders are a "commodity"? Maybe I missed that....

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Clutchy 3/11/2015 12:51pm
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huck wrote:
Where does he say that the riders are a "commodity"? Maybe I missed that....
He doesn't Huck, But he's using them as such. He only see's them as a product to make money from. He sold their rights to someone else. It's a free market place to everyone but the rider's. What's the local privateer to do. It's a self serving system at best. and not to the riders.... If that's the only comment you have Huck then I must have hit that nail pretty square.
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Do like the bmx teams do in USABMX national races. Teams pay a small vendors fee with their pit space and can sell their product. Usually $250 on top of the $100 for the space. At the finals it is $400 minimum up to $4000 for a space and vending fees go from $250 to $2500 depending on what is being sold. If a privateer paid $250 to sell product, thats 5 shirts and 5 hats and hes broken even. Promoter gets paid, riders make money, fans get what they want, everyone wins.
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We're talking about floor scraps. They don't even want the riders to get some floor scraps. Pisses me off when people act like they're all for the riders... This sport needs a serious shot of 1978. Back then it was just about motocross and pit tootsie's. For anyone that thinks it's better now, there's less riders, less tracks, less spectators.... BUT MORE MONEY.... Less fun....! except for the very top. I can't support that selfish mentality. Especially when they keep squeezing. 100% looks and perception 0% substance.
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huck 3/11/2015 1:17pm
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Clutchy wrote:
We're talking about floor scraps. They don't even want the riders to get some floor scraps. Pisses me off when people act like they're all for...
We're talking about floor scraps. They don't even want the riders to get some floor scraps. Pisses me off when people act like they're all for the riders... This sport needs a serious shot of 1978. Back then it was just about motocross and pit tootsie's. For anyone that thinks it's better now, there's less riders, less tracks, less spectators.... BUT MORE MONEY.... Less fun....! except for the very top. I can't support that selfish mentality. Especially when they keep squeezing. 100% looks and perception 0% substance.
Nobody is forcing the riders to be out there...if it's 'that bad'...time for them to nut up and do something about it.
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roost 3/11/2015 1:31pm
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I used to post here.
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roost wrote:
I used to post here.
LOL!
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Clutchy, I'm sorry I don't have a time machine to go back to 1978 with you, but if I did, I would probably have tried harder to get ready to be a pro racer myself. If you don't like what's happened to the sport, I'm not sure why you're blaming me. I'm not "using" the riders and I certainly don't treat them as commodities, but I was trying to make a point about retail business, like the malls you used to hang out at before everything went online. Maybe that's where it all went wrong in your mind, hard to tell.

See you at Hangtown.

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Most motorsports like NASCAR or NHRA work on a licensing agreement on merchandise and it simply works like this. Dale Jr.’s team orders 10,000 t-shirts from a licensed, bonded, third party producer of T-shirts and other items. Once these items are produced, the third-party producer MUST provide a full inventory of what was produced and delivered to Dale Jr’s team, and for the sake of argument, let’s say the license fee is .10 on the dollar. Dale Jr’s team sells the 10,000 shirts at $20 each for a total of $200,000 and therefore Dale Jr owes NASCAR $20,000 of that $200,000

NASCAR is guaranteed transparency through the use of the approved, licensed, bonded, third-party producer who tells them exactly what’s produced and then Dale Jr’s team tells NASCAR what they’re going to sell them for, and that’s what they’re on the hook for. They can also license on a “per piece” basis, say $1.00 per shirt, so if DeCotis makes 100 shirts, he owes MXSports $100, and keeps the rest as profit to fund his racing.

Why does Troy Lee need Feld or MXSports to make and sell shirts for them, they don’t. Neither does Pro Circuit, they have them already! Neither does BTO/KTM, RCH or any other major team.

Allow licensing and it’s open to everyone, large and small.
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DC 3/11/2015 1:45pm
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Actually, forget that, Clutchy, I would use that time machine to go find "roost" and deal with him directly.

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moto tees website is lacking. can't zoom up near enough inside that tiny box to even see the design.

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Clutchy 3/11/2015 2:32pm
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Clutchy, I'm sorry I don't have a time machine to go back to 1978 with you, but if I did, I would probably have tried harder...
Clutchy, I'm sorry I don't have a time machine to go back to 1978 with you, but if I did, I would probably have tried harder to get ready to be a pro racer myself. If you don't like what's happened to the sport, I'm not sure why you're blaming me. I'm not "using" the riders and I certainly don't treat them as commodities, but I was trying to make a point about retail business, like the malls you used to hang out at before everything went online. Maybe that's where it all went wrong in your mind, hard to tell.

See you at Hangtown.

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DC.. Stewie Griffin I'm not. No interest in going backwards my friend. and Maybe you like hanging out at the mall, I don't. Online is great but brick and mortar isn't going away. Personally I don't have a problem with what's happened to the sport. The only thing I'm blaming you for is being to tight to let motocross riders sell swag in the pits. You're comparing the riders to retail business. They get charged to come put on your show, for the chance of greatness and wealth.. If they get killed or paralyzed oh well... Next. And the powers that be are to tight to let the little fish sell some swag. Talk to the other guy about why he thinks your family ruuiinned this sport.. You're a product of this environment, I don't blame you, but I don't agree either. I would expect you to be the business man that you are. That's what you do. But say it like it really is... You're not doing everything you can for the riders, you're doing what you want to do for the riders.. Big difference. I'm all for people making their money. Maybe you really believe you're doing the right thing for others, maybe that's where it all went wrong, hard to tell.... I'm not going to change what I said, kinda called you tight., I have brought this up in years gone by, Outlaw guys depended on it every week. The riders are getting the short end of the stick and I think you put on great races. Never been to a bad one.. The Tee guy can stay but should have to compete on a fair playing field.

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