Time for forced induction

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hvaughn88 2/27/2015 3:30am
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Woodracer wrote:
Did you even watch the video and see how quiet that bike still was without having a muffler? Are you kidding me? You are the one...
Did you even watch the video and see how quiet that bike still was without having a muffler? Are you kidding me? You are the one clueless here.
austin888_99 wrote:
I see you are often repeating how you are a forward thinking person. Instead of telling all of the secrets for free on Vital you should...
I see you are often repeating how you are a forward thinking person. Instead of telling all of the secrets for free on Vital you should have a job for a motorcycle company so you can fix all of these issues from within. Im sure your probably already rich and doing this would take your time away from all of the important issues you are probably already solving. You would however be doing us a great service since we all seem to be too dumb to comprehend your genius. With this approach you can make the product, render all other products obsolete, then make us buy the new and improved. Since we don't know how dumb we are you can make us change. Damn Im not sure why I had to think of this approach for you. Youre a forward thinker so Id think this plan would be in action already.
Woodracer wrote:
Was Tesla in the industry? No! he discovered all of his advancements on his own and died broke because he cared about the science not he...
Was Tesla in the industry? No! he discovered all of his advancements on his own and died broke because he cared about the science not he money. I'm not trying to get rich here or anything, just helping to keep riding areas open through sound reduction while keeping power output the same and possibly improving power from the weight savings of a small engine.

I was just throwing my idea out here because I thought others might see the value and spark a productive discussion. Instead no one seems to be able to comprehend how it would work. Even if I were to show up with a boosted 250f it wouldn't be allowed to compete because of the AMA rules. I bet if they heard how quite it was and how much power the bike still had it would be hard not to reconsider some kind of an exemption for forced induction.

Also, please stop with all the personal insults. It's pretty out of hand how everyone keeps calling me stupid and retarded without a single fact. Several of you jumping my bones are border line illiterate anyways.
Personal insults? Such as calling people "rednecks," which you already did? You know what's actually ironic about your comment: the only people I know that would think this is a good idea are my dumb redneck friends. Food for thought.
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mb 2/27/2015 6:31am
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If you had any real life experiance you wouldn't be making this argument.

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Jim Lahey 2/27/2015 7:57am
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Just an FYI about our "closed minds" in regards to a turbo dirtbike-

Its been done before.







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scooter5002 2/27/2015 8:37am
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Those bikes are SO much simpler than a standard, OEM set up. WHAT were we thinking, Woodforbrains is so much smarter than all the rest of us.
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The Rock 2/27/2015 8:39am
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Cool pics Jim Lahey. Least one positive thing came out of this thread
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The Rock 2/27/2015 8:45am
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Dumbgeon please
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Krazyk2774 2/27/2015 9:49am
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Woodracer wrote:
Did you even watch the video and see how quiet that bike still was without having a muffler? Are you kidding me? You are the one...
Did you even watch the video and see how quiet that bike still was without having a muffler? Are you kidding me? You are the one clueless here.
austin888_99 wrote:
I see you are often repeating how you are a forward thinking person. Instead of telling all of the secrets for free on Vital you should...
I see you are often repeating how you are a forward thinking person. Instead of telling all of the secrets for free on Vital you should have a job for a motorcycle company so you can fix all of these issues from within. Im sure your probably already rich and doing this would take your time away from all of the important issues you are probably already solving. You would however be doing us a great service since we all seem to be too dumb to comprehend your genius. With this approach you can make the product, render all other products obsolete, then make us buy the new and improved. Since we don't know how dumb we are you can make us change. Damn Im not sure why I had to think of this approach for you. Youre a forward thinker so Id think this plan would be in action already.
Woodracer wrote:
Was Tesla in the industry? No! he discovered all of his advancements on his own and died broke because he cared about the science not he...
Was Tesla in the industry? No! he discovered all of his advancements on his own and died broke because he cared about the science not he money. I'm not trying to get rich here or anything, just helping to keep riding areas open through sound reduction while keeping power output the same and possibly improving power from the weight savings of a small engine.

I was just throwing my idea out here because I thought others might see the value and spark a productive discussion. Instead no one seems to be able to comprehend how it would work. Even if I were to show up with a boosted 250f it wouldn't be allowed to compete because of the AMA rules. I bet if they heard how quite it was and how much power the bike still had it would be hard not to reconsider some kind of an exemption for forced induction.

Also, please stop with all the personal insults. It's pretty out of hand how everyone keeps calling me stupid and retarded without a single fact. Several of you jumping my bones are border line illiterate anyways.
The snowmobile industry is moving towards this concept. its not far fetched at all . Yamaha already offers a factory built turbo charged 4 stroke ! also guys are putting timbersled track conversions on KTM 500 exc's and turbo charging them to boost the power up to acceptable levels. will we see this in motocross? I doubt it, I personally think electric bikes will be taking over closed course competition within the next 10 years.
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731chopper 2/27/2015 10:06am
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Case closed.
Woodracer 2/27/2015 5:33pm
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The Rock wrote:
Spot on post. To the OP two things: 1) The word is quiet not quite. 2) I encourage you to build a prototype. Let me know...
Spot on post.

To the OP two things:

1) The word is quiet not quite.

2) I encourage you to build a prototype. Let me know if you want to partner with a race engine builder or go it alone. I am friends with engine builders and technical directors at a handful of top race teams and would forward your contact information to them in case anyone is interested but don't hold your breath. You are pitching a solution to a non existent problem or arguably a problem that is third on the list of how you build a quiet bike. I have built two of them for MXA so am speaking from experience not sharing my opinion.
Woodracer wrote:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/Naturally-aspirated-vs-forced-induct…


Maybe if you would read that you could understand why turbo is the way to go
The Rock wrote:
It is apparent you know more than everyone else so stop selling us and start showing us. Talk is cheap so build a bike to prove...
It is apparent you know more than everyone else so stop selling us and start showing us. Talk is cheap so build a bike to prove your concept like I did

So let me get this straight. I'm an idiot, but you already tried to build a quiet turbo bike before? That just made me laugh out loud. Just because you weren't clever enough to make it work right doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
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Jim Lahey 2/27/2015 5:40pm
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Woodracer wrote:
So let me get this straight. I'm an idiot, but you already tried to build a quiet turbo bike before? That just made me laugh out...
So let me get this straight. I'm an idiot, but you already tried to build a quiet turbo bike before? That just made me laugh out loud. Just because you weren't clever enough to make it work right doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
He didnt make one you fool, click the fucking link, its just a regular bike build

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the_wood109 2/27/2015 5:56pm
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How does that turbo Yam in the first pic not melt the seat, and your ass along with it? Serious question.
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Suns_PSD 2/27/2015 6:02pm
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Turbos are a good idea for 4 stroke sleds because they already are quite heavy and it doesn't matter much, but mainly because forced induction can negate altitude induced power loss. And that's a big deal.
Woodracer 2/27/2015 7:08pm
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the_wood109 wrote:
How does that turbo Yam in the first pic not melt the seat, and your ass along with it? Serious question.
just use some heat shielding ...easy
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Jim Lahey 2/27/2015 7:12pm
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Woodracer wrote:
just use some heat shielding ...easy
got all the answers
lostboy819 2/27/2015 7:15pm
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the_wood109 wrote:
How does that turbo Yam in the first pic not melt the seat, and your ass along with it? Serious question.
Woodracer wrote:
just use some heat shielding ...easy
Must be close to your bed time, oops its not a school night so I guess you will be up all night spewing your uninformed crap because we all know there is no way you have a date, and taking your mom to the prom doesn't count.

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Woodracer 2/27/2015 7:42pm
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the_wood109 wrote:
How does that turbo Yam in the first pic not melt the seat, and your ass along with it? Serious question.
Woodracer wrote:
just use some heat shielding ...easy
lostboy819 wrote:
Must be close to your bed time, oops its not a school night so I guess you will be up all night spewing your uninformed crap...
Must be close to your bed time, oops its not a school night so I guess you will be up all night spewing your uninformed crap because we all know there is no way you have a date, and taking your mom to the prom doesn't count.
Dude it was just a simple solution. You don't have to make a big deal out of it. People use heat shields on things all the time that get really hot to prevent other things from burning or melting.
lostboy819 2/27/2015 7:49pm
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Woodracer wrote:
just use some heat shielding ...easy
lostboy819 wrote:
Must be close to your bed time, oops its not a school night so I guess you will be up all night spewing your uninformed crap...
Must be close to your bed time, oops its not a school night so I guess you will be up all night spewing your uninformed crap because we all know there is no way you have a date, and taking your mom to the prom doesn't count.
Woodracer wrote:
Dude it was just a simple solution. You don't have to make a big deal out of it. People use heat shields on things all the...
Dude it was just a simple solution. You don't have to make a big deal out of it. People use heat shields on things all the time that get really hot to prevent other things from burning or melting.
Come on now this isn't any fun unless you insult me back. Sad That's what this whole thread is about isn't it with your trolling? Your no fun now. Wink
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CR250Rider 2/27/2015 9:33pm
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In motocross it's all about adapting the bikes to the track. Smooth with nothing but jumps = heavier more powerful bike. 60 ' jumps out of a 90 degree corner = more torque. Rutted choppy sand means a light bike has the advantage and extra torque is a waste.
Motor_Centre 2/28/2015 1:44am
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Todays modern Turbo engined cars are much lighter than their same horspower normally asperated versions ! So why would it not be the same for motorcyles if built today by manufacturers ? Turbo charged motors are much more efficient than normally asperated motors - Meaning to produce the same amount of power they use less fuel.
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oldrider 2/28/2015 3:22am
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MX558 wrote:
Electric bikes , you could ride anywhere. Turbos are the dumbest things ever put on a race bike .
agreed
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oldrider 2/28/2015 3:24am
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lostboy819 wrote:
AMA flat track is a perfect example of taking the noise issue and doing something about it. Back when the big V twins ran straight pipes...
AMA flat track is a perfect example of taking the noise issue and doing something about it. Back when the big V twins ran straight pipes and megaphones they were LOUD and people around the mile and half mile tracks bitched and would keep the races from coming back to some tracks. The AMA changed the rules and"enforced them" and now the bikes are so quit its a disappointment to hear them run and they still have plenty of power. The sound issue is all about enforcement, if you cant race a loud bike then pro circuit and FMF wont build a loud muffler , the same with the manufacturers but yes you will still have the backwoods moron who pulls the muffler off of his KTM because he thinks it will be faster but he wont be able to race it.
agreed
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philG 2/28/2015 5:51am
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really would love to see one of those races live, got to a super TT but never a proper flat track.
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Suns_PSD 2/28/2015 7:23am
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FI (Forced Induction) isn't even a good solution for road going vehicles. It exists because of government displacement penalties and mileage tests that occur well off boost.
In the real world the FI engines are less efficient, less reliable, no lighter, and have no smaller footprint than larger displacement NA (Naturally. Aspirated) competitor engines.
Compare the total specs and real world mileage of say a NA Chevy small block compared to a similar output competitor's engine and you'll see this to be true.
The plumbing of FI adds the weight, complexity, size, and cost. The need to prevent detonation necessitates higher octane fuel, less timing, and less compression which is bad for efficiency.
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Suns_PSD wrote:
FI (Forced Induction) isn't even a good solution for road going vehicles. It exists because of government displacement penalties and mileage tests that occur well off...
FI (Forced Induction) isn't even a good solution for road going vehicles. It exists because of government displacement penalties and mileage tests that occur well off boost.
In the real world the FI engines are less efficient, less reliable, no lighter, and have no smaller footprint than larger displacement NA (Naturally. Aspirated) competitor engines.
Compare the total specs and real world mileage of say a NA Chevy small block compared to a similar output competitor's engine and you'll see this to be true.
The plumbing of FI adds the weight, complexity, size, and cost. The need to prevent detonation necessitates higher octane fuel, less timing, and less compression which is bad for efficiency.
Are you a NASCAR fan?
Wasatch Rider 3/7/2015 1:55pm
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All our groups 450s and bigger KTMs and Huskys are all turboed.
They need it. Most the guys with CR 500s are not.
Its not the answer for MX/SX. Even small bore,small turbos. Both sports are too much on and off the throttle.

Whoever said they are quieter, well, not really, but its a different sound.
Turbo 2 strokes are not quieter unless you're running a silencer too, and out here we don't. So it equals out.

The one guy that mentioned 4 strokes having all these electronics these days and mapping and all that nonsense, that shit was on 2 strokes 30 plus years ago. Everything you see today has been in other sports for 15 years or so.

We have F1 style launch control. Back in 2002 I think it was came OEM on the Racer Only models.
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The Rock 3/17/2015 10:57am
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Wasatch Rider wrote:
All our groups 450s and bigger KTMs and Huskys are all turboed. They need it. Most the guys with CR 500s are not. Its not the...
All our groups 450s and bigger KTMs and Huskys are all turboed.
They need it. Most the guys with CR 500s are not.
Its not the answer for MX/SX. Even small bore,small turbos. Both sports are too much on and off the throttle.

Whoever said they are quieter, well, not really, but its a different sound.
Turbo 2 strokes are not quieter unless you're running a silencer too, and out here we don't. So it equals out.

The one guy that mentioned 4 strokes having all these electronics these days and mapping and all that nonsense, that shit was on 2 strokes 30 plus years ago. Everything you see today has been in other sports for 15 years or so.

We have F1 style launch control. Back in 2002 I think it was came OEM on the Racer Only models.
Unless woodsracer agrees with what you posted I have to call serious BS on your post. j/k

I would like to nominate woodsracers as troll of the year finalist. His unwavering committment to jack with people exhibits a talent I haven't seen since......glad I forgot the guy's name. Seriously no one can be as clueless as woodsracer unintentionally but more telling when you don't get a straight answer back two times in a row in my experience this is a sure tell that someone is just trolling.

woodsracer-Looking forward to your quiet (huh my autocorrect must work different than yours) turbo MX project bike. Like I said earlier (but you insulted me in your response LOL) I would be happy to get you all the technical support you might need to get the project launched.


Or you can just keep posting about your idea....talk is cheap....when the gate drops the BS stops...........
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The Rock 3/17/2015 10:59am
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philG wrote:
really would love to see one of those races live, got to a super TT but never a proper flat track.
Peorita TT is on my bucket list. I went to the Del Mar mile in the late 80s or early 90s.

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