Bowers back issue.

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Edited Date/Time 2/3/2015 7:24pm
to the guys out there that have been through it already.he is not doing himself any favors riding/racing in his condition..been there.


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hillbilly 1/31/2015 7:26am
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He is gonna give a back ache to a few other riders this round.
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his best plan is to do what ever he can,to win this championship .its obvious,back surgery is his future. how he can race that pace, amazes me.these guys are so mentaly strong,its not even funny.
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That was a good interview. I'd like to see him take it up a notch and win it tonight.

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im rooting for bowers for championship. mainly ,because he is racing all these weeks in a severe back issue .when your leg goes numb .its not fun.when he mentioned "in tears" ,that's a true statement.probably,when he trys to go to bed at night.
man,i just can not believe his fortitude.
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The Rock wrote:
I don't have time for the video but [url=http://www.vaxd.com]Vax D traction table with negative Gs[/url] and an inversion table can help most of us with back...
I don't have time for the video but Vax D traction table with negative Gs and an inversion table can help most of us with back issues.
he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely.
he's going through cycles of inflammation .says he is doing planks to build core. not doing the normal gym training others are doing.
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zippy895 1/31/2015 6:48pm
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I have used a similar traction table for my neck.
cant see it being a cure all.
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honda341 2/1/2015 9:02am
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Well, looky there. I had two herniated discs as well. L4-L5 and L5-S1. Had those back when I was 18. Last thing to keep me from riding. Now I am looking forward now to get back to riding after being in a coma for 2 weeks haha. Bring on Febuary 15th.
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Well, looky there. I had two herniated discs as well. L4-L5 and L5-S1. Had those back when I was 18. Last thing to keep me from...
Well, looky there. I had two herniated discs as well. L4-L5 and L5-S1. Had those back when I was 18. Last thing to keep me from riding. Now I am looking forward now to get back to riding after being in a coma for 2 weeks haha. Bring on Febuary 15th.
so did you cringe ,when bowers landed without his bike in that main also?
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zippy895 wrote:
I have used a similar traction table for my neck.
cant see it being a cure all.
Nothing is a cure all hence can help most of us with back issues.

Regarding your use of the word "similar" street bikes are similar to MX bikes but there not the same thing either. Only a Vax D table exerts negative Gs as the spine is contracting after the traction cycle. This is particularly helpful with people with herniated discs as the negative Gs helps pull the material back into the disc. It's all explained on the website.

zippy895-Can you direct me to a link for the traction table for the neck please? I had heard Vax D was working on one but have yet to see it Thanks.
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he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely. he's going through cycles of inflammation .says...
he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely.
he's going through cycles of inflammation .says he is doing planks to build core. not doing the normal gym training others are doing.
Ive had six surgeries on my back- four on the l5 alone. The pain has ruined my life. I hope his is repairable; my never has subsided and my life has been a twelve year cycle of pain pills and thinking of suicide when im out of pills.
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2/1/2015 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 2/1/2015 1:13pm
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and didnt for two years- but the pain was debilitating to the point of just wanting to die. If id owned a gun id be dead a dozen times over from pain. Pills make it tolerable, but withdrawal is as bad as the pain. My life is nothing but miserable, and my familys life is as well because of my stupid back pain. I just took 20 percocets in two days. That ought to tell you how badly im doing.
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The Rock wrote:
I don't have time for the video but [url=http://www.vaxd.com]Vax D traction table with negative Gs[/url] and an inversion table can help most of us with back...
I don't have time for the video but Vax D traction table with negative Gs and an inversion table can help most of us with back issues.
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he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely. he's going through cycles of inflammation .says...
he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely.
he's going through cycles of inflammation .says he is doing planks to build core. not doing the normal gym training others are doing.
Been there done that. My left leg and foot were so numb I couldn't ever rest my foot on a pillow. A chiro herniated my bulging L5S1 and I went through hell. First two weeks on the couch then the next week most of the time on the couch taking 30mg of Hydrocodone a day with little to no effect. I could stand or lay down. I could NOT sit. Was three years until I rode again.

The Vax D is the only thing that kept me from having surgery for the herniated L5S1. My roommate would drive me up to West LA in my car while I was stretched out in the back seat. Three Vax D treatments a week for three weeks got the pain where I could manage it. My MD sent me to an ortho for an assessment and of course he wanted to remove the disc. My MD didn't want me to, I didn't want to so I didn't.

Bowers is doing the right thing building up his core. Tumeric is a Godsend when it comes to reducing inflammation. I just restocked last evening at the health food store.
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The Rock 2/1/2015 1:30pm
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I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and...
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and didnt for two years- but the pain was debilitating to the point of just wanting to die. If id owned a gun id be dead a dozen times over from pain. Pills make it tolerable, but withdrawal is as bad as the pain. My life is nothing but miserable, and my familys life is as well because of my stupid back pain. I just took 20 percocets in two days. That ought to tell you how badly im doing.
That is hell. This is obviously a terrible situation for you to be in and I feel for you. It is key not use the pills as a reason not to do therapy. My back hurts....do I go for a walk or swim or do I take a pain pill and keep working? Pills IMHO should ideally be used to manage pain as part of the recovery process but not be the band aid that keeps one from taking measures to strengthen their core.

Given your med intake you have to be dehydrated which makes us even more stiff which leads to more pain. Drink as much fluids (not alcohol) and try to move if you can. Best of luck with rehab. Your moto family here at Vital MX is behind you.
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Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have surgery months ago but my preferred surgeon is jam packed.
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Aceofspades wrote:
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and...
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and didnt for two years- but the pain was debilitating to the point of just wanting to die. If id owned a gun id be dead a dozen times over from pain. Pills make it tolerable, but withdrawal is as bad as the pain. My life is nothing but miserable, and my familys life is as well because of my stupid back pain. I just took 20 percocets in two days. That ought to tell you how badly im doing.
Crazy question, but have you tried acupuncture? I've had some friends who have had some crazy back injuries and they tried nearly everything (including surgery) and nothing relived the pain until they tried acupuncture. It may nor may not work for you, but sounds like anything would be better than what you are going through now.
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Aceofspades wrote:
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and...
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and didnt for two years- but the pain was debilitating to the point of just wanting to die. If id owned a gun id be dead a dozen times over from pain. Pills make it tolerable, but withdrawal is as bad as the pain. My life is nothing but miserable, and my familys life is as well because of my stupid back pain. I just took 20 percocets in two days. That ought to tell you how badly im doing.
It takes a big man to accept he has problems and fix them. I think you need to talk to your doctors about your pill consumption and find a better program for your pain. I was in a similar situation as you with my back and was majorly against seeing a pain management doctor because I thought they only pushed pills. I reluctantly went and he got me on a program getting injections acupuncture etc and got me down to one pill a day. I now only go every few months for shots.

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Haha. That's pretty funny. . .
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One of the only time I will ever agree with you, can't stand the dude.
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Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have...
Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have surgery months ago but my preferred surgeon is jam packed.
A friend of mine had both his knees replaced at the same time (?) and was on Percocet. His doctor prescribed him type of specific laxative which I wasn't aware of but sounds like a good idea to me.

If you can drink a glass of water as soon as you get up, one before each meal and wherever you can sneak another glass of water in. Hope your surgery date comes up sooner rather than later and if you can seek acupuncture like someone else suggested. Big fan.
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zippy895 wrote:
I have used a similar traction table for my neck.
cant see it being a cure all.
The Rock wrote:
Nothing is a cure all hence [i]can help most of us with back issues.[/i] Regarding your use of the word "similar" street bikes are similar to...
Nothing is a cure all hence can help most of us with back issues.

Regarding your use of the word "similar" street bikes are similar to MX bikes but there not the same thing either. Only a Vax D table exerts negative Gs as the spine is contracting after the traction cycle. This is particularly helpful with people with herniated discs as the negative Gs helps pull the material back into the disc. It's all explained on the website.

zippy895-Can you direct me to a link for the traction table for the neck please? I had heard Vax D was working on one but have yet to see it Thanks.
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the machine pulls in intervals till it reachs #'s set.then intervals back down to zero.i was strapped down at waist first time,but not necessary.he set it for 15# on me,if you pull against the tugging,it will not put more resistance than set #s.
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Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have...
Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have surgery months ago but my preferred surgeon is jam packed.
Neuro surgeon ,yes?
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Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have...
Yeah, the pills dehydrate the hell out of me. I have two discs in my neck that need surgical relief now. I was supposed to have surgery months ago but my preferred surgeon is jam packed.
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Neuro surgeon ,yes?
Yep. The guy that did my cage insert was good. The guy before him butchered me.
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zippy895 wrote:
he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely. he's going through cycles of inflammation .says...
he has 2 herniated disc's. leg goes numb because its hitting the nerve.sounds like L4 and L5 most likely.
he's going through cycles of inflammation .says he is doing planks to build core. not doing the normal gym training others are doing.
Aceofspades wrote:
Ive had six surgeries on my back- four on the l5 alone. The pain has ruined my life. I hope his is repairable; my never has...
Ive had six surgeries on my back- four on the l5 alone. The pain has ruined my life. I hope his is repairable; my never has subsided and my life has been a twelve year cycle of pain pills and thinking of suicide when im out of pills.
I've been going thru the same thing for the last 4 years. Last November I had a full disc replacement (ProDisc) to my L4-L5. Up until 4 days ago I have been taking 200-400mg of Oxy a day and totally suicidal. They no longer worked no matter what I took so I decide to switch to Suboxone. I can honestly say for the first time in 10 years my back feels good! Planning on taking subs for a couple more days then stopping everything. The years of pain pills fired the natural pain receptors in my brain which made the pain much worse than it should be.

I wish you the best and know what your going thru. Get help before its to late. There is special treatment centers that focus on severe pain. I almost went to one but got approved for the ProDisc and it changed my life. Look up the Lumbar ProDisc replacement!!


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I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and...
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and didnt for two years- but the pain was debilitating to the point of just wanting to die. If id owned a gun id be dead a dozen times over from pain. Pills make it tolerable, but withdrawal is as bad as the pain. My life is nothing but miserable, and my familys life is as well because of my stupid back pain. I just took 20 percocets in two days. That ought to tell you how badly im doing.
Hgibbs566 wrote:
It takes a big man to accept he has problems and fix them. I think you need to talk to your doctors about your pill consumption...
It takes a big man to accept he has problems and fix them. I think you need to talk to your doctors about your pill consumption and find a better program for your pain. I was in a similar situation as you with my back and was majorly against seeing a pain management doctor because I thought they only pushed pills. I reluctantly went and he got me on a program getting injections acupuncture etc and got me down to one pill a day. I now only go every few months for shots.
Sadly, I dont want to quit pills. Not until i have had all these surgeries finished. I wont make it through this pain without pills. If these last surgeries dont help then i dont know what course of action ill take.
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Aceofspades wrote:
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and...
I have rehab in my close future. I will absolutely end up dead if i cant shake my pill consumption. Ive tried to not take pills-and didnt for two years- but the pain was debilitating to the point of just wanting to die. If id owned a gun id be dead a dozen times over from pain. Pills make it tolerable, but withdrawal is as bad as the pain. My life is nothing but miserable, and my familys life is as well because of my stupid back pain. I just took 20 percocets in two days. That ought to tell you how badly im doing.
Man. Thats was tough to read. I wish there was something I could do to help you. Your life is way to important to be thinking like that. If you ever need someone to talk to please talk to a friend and get things out. It will make you feel better and might save your life. Hell,message me on here and I will give you my number and I will listen for hours.Smile
I have been through some hard (dark) times when my 12 YO had cancer.
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Man. Thats was tough to read. I wish there was something I could do to help you. Your life is way to important to be thinking...
Man. Thats was tough to read. I wish there was something I could do to help you. Your life is way to important to be thinking like that. If you ever need someone to talk to please talk to a friend and get things out. It will make you feel better and might save your life. Hell,message me on here and I will give you my number and I will listen for hours.Smile
I have been through some hard (dark) times when my 12 YO had cancer.
I appreciate all the kindness you guys are showing Smile . Man, life is so tough when you have constant pain. Im as conservative and anti drug as can be.. until i took that first oxycontin. If it can grab hold of me, then nobody is safe. Jleews6, i hope your child is doing better! It makes me ashamed to think that I have problems when I think about things like youve went through. Myself, I know i have a problem. I hope i can get my 2000kx250 built and ridable soon because when i had my rm250 i would hop on it and ride whenever i wanted a pill and it worked, plus i dropped twelve pounds! I sold it when my disc in my neck started hurting too bad to ride. Now I dont care; i need a distraction!
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you have to replace an addiction with another"healthy" addiction. somebody out there is in worse pain than you or I.
pm hours are the tough times.body starts to go into relax mode and pain receptor's are making you aware of body issues.
never did this,but old boss once went under hypnosis to stop smoking.it worked.maybe a pain block hypnosis?
its funny that ,when you have issues like your back, you hurt more if you do to little and hurt if you do too much.maybe that's why cycling is my new outlet.low impact,heart rate can jump when nessesary,closest to mx bike.but the motor is you.
I swear,trying to do rehab stretching after 2nd back surgery.i couldn't bend as well as after 1st surgery.so I jumped on a lifecycle stationary bike,and the body loosened up those parts for me to stretch without pain.

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