Bell moto 9 flex

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Edited Date/Time 1/15/2015 2:04pm
When will it be out and what are you're guys thoughts on it? Between this and a 6d.. Also anyone know the price?
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had2comment 1/15/2015 7:33am
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I saw Tomac crash at A1 and looked like he was concuss for a good 30 seconds before he got going again. Didn't look like he hit his head too hard.
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had2comment wrote:
I saw Tomac crash at A1 and looked like he was concuss for a good 30 seconds before he got going again. Didn't look like he...
I saw Tomac crash at A1 and looked like he was concuss for a good 30 seconds before he got going again. Didn't look like he hit his head too hard.
What do you mean he was "concuss for a good 30 seconds?"
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It will be available in March. Unlike the 6D the Bell will be snell approved and will cover a wider range of impact forces.. the liner isnt a spring style dampening, its a layers. think about a spring, where does the force go? it repels. the flex liner will absorb impacts much different and what im told the charts cover a wider spectrum of impact forces, lower and higher then anything currently available. I'm waiting til Marchj for mine, super excited.
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I'm looking at purchasing one also but not super excited about the price. I think it will be $600.

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mx836 1/15/2015 8:03am
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This thread was only on the second page and will answer some of your questions.

moto 9 flex thread
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hvaughn88 1/15/2015 8:10am
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ktm212 wrote:
It will be available in March. Unlike the 6D the Bell will be snell approved and will cover a wider range of impact forces.. the liner...
It will be available in March. Unlike the 6D the Bell will be snell approved and will cover a wider range of impact forces.. the liner isnt a spring style dampening, its a layers. think about a spring, where does the force go? it repels. the flex liner will absorb impacts much different and what im told the charts cover a wider spectrum of impact forces, lower and higher then anything currently available. I'm waiting til Marchj for mine, super excited.
I think viewing the 6D technology as simply "springs" is a pretty flawed/inaccurate way of looking at it.
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logan_140 1/15/2015 8:13am
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mx836 wrote:
This thread was only on the second page and will answer some of your questions.

moto 9 flex thread
Didn't see it sorry someone take this down
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chuckie108 1/15/2015 8:18am
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Regardless of how you feel about 6D's helmet technology, we all owe them a tip of the cap for trying to push helmet safety to a new level. After many many years of helmets not changing much if any, it seems most of the major helmet companies are now trying to improve their designs. Kudos!!
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Panic_Rev 1/15/2015 8:26am
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I'm also going to wait for the Bell helmet. I'm hoping my dealer will be able to give me a better deal than sticker price that I know I would pay for a 6D. The price of the Fly F2 is appealing, but if it's not keeping up with safety improvements I'm not buying.
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chuckie108 wrote:
Regardless of how you feel about 6D's helmet technology, we all owe them a tip of the cap for trying to push helmet safety to a...
Regardless of how you feel about 6D's helmet technology, we all owe them a tip of the cap for trying to push helmet safety to a new level. After many many years of helmets not changing much if any, it seems most of the major helmet companies are now trying to improve their designs. Kudos!!
Very true! Honestly, it's a bit discouraging that it took an outside company to push the innovation for safety. I would have hoped that an existing company built solely around safety would have been pushing the R&D for newer, better, safer products. On the surface, it appears that wasn't happening.
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had2comment 1/15/2015 9:10am
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I saw Tomac crash at A1 and looked like he was concuss for a good 30 seconds before he got going again. Didn't look like he...
I saw Tomac crash at A1 and looked like he was concuss for a good 30 seconds before he got going again. Didn't look like he hit his head too hard.
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What do you mean he was "concuss for a good 30 seconds?"
Like someone punched him. Put his head into his hands a couple times (like he couldn't see straight). Got back on the bike and took a second to get going. Stewart didn't look as bad after his gnarly A1 crash last year. This is purely speculation based on my observation. For all I know he could of clipped his chin and dazed himself or did something else that had nothing to do with his head. My speculation is based on my own experience from not seeing straight for a good portion of time.
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KTMShane699 1/15/2015 9:40am
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Like someone punched him. Put his head into his hands a couple times (like he couldn't see straight). Got back on the bike and took a...
Like someone punched him. Put his head into his hands a couple times (like he couldn't see straight). Got back on the bike and took a second to get going. Stewart didn't look as bad after his gnarly A1 crash last year. This is purely speculation based on my observation. For all I know he could of clipped his chin and dazed himself or did something else that had nothing to do with his head. My speculation is based on my own experience from not seeing straight for a good portion of time.
The problem with making assessments about a product by watching someone's crash and seeing how they reacted is that there are way too many variables. Depending on where you hit your head you would expect to see different reactions from the rider (it's the paramedic in me talking now). So without breaking down the impact, you can't really say if it was a helmet issue or a crashing issue.

The other wild card is what other distracting injuries (paramedic talk again) are there? For example did he injure another part of his body that distracts away from other injuries. I've seen plenty of people with the wind knocked out of them crawling around with their head in their hands as they try to catch their breath.

The best way to compare is to do similar tests of similar impacts and draw conclusions. Don't make assessments based off of watching some guy crash on TV.

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had2comment 1/15/2015 10:23am
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Like someone punched him. Put his head into his hands a couple times (like he couldn't see straight). Got back on the bike and took a...
Like someone punched him. Put his head into his hands a couple times (like he couldn't see straight). Got back on the bike and took a second to get going. Stewart didn't look as bad after his gnarly A1 crash last year. This is purely speculation based on my observation. For all I know he could of clipped his chin and dazed himself or did something else that had nothing to do with his head. My speculation is based on my own experience from not seeing straight for a good portion of time.
KTMShane699 wrote:
The problem with making assessments about a product by watching someone's crash and seeing how they reacted is that there are way too many variables. Depending...
The problem with making assessments about a product by watching someone's crash and seeing how they reacted is that there are way too many variables. Depending on where you hit your head you would expect to see different reactions from the rider (it's the paramedic in me talking now). So without breaking down the impact, you can't really say if it was a helmet issue or a crashing issue.

The other wild card is what other distracting injuries (paramedic talk again) are there? For example did he injure another part of his body that distracts away from other injuries. I've seen plenty of people with the wind knocked out of them crawling around with their head in their hands as they try to catch their breath.

The best way to compare is to do similar tests of similar impacts and draw conclusions. Don't make assessments based off of watching some guy crash on TV.

Shane
I completely agree with you but did you read my statement? I backed it up with essentially what you are saying and stated it was "my" speculation based on an observation. The incident was directly in front of me, I was on hand and glued to Tomac cause I want him to do good this year. I watched it on TV several times after the race but it doesn't show the aftermath. I have not used a 6D and I haven't seen the testing numbers (that are apparently off the charts). I would like to hear more about the helmet good and bad. Couple crashes I have witnessed didn't seem to do the helmet any justice but again, that is my opinion.

My top helmet choices, Arai, Bell and Shoei..... Arai has some serious issues with their art department.
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ktm212 1/15/2015 2:04pm
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ktm212 wrote:
It will be available in March. Unlike the 6D the Bell will be snell approved and will cover a wider range of impact forces.. the liner...
It will be available in March. Unlike the 6D the Bell will be snell approved and will cover a wider range of impact forces.. the liner isnt a spring style dampening, its a layers. think about a spring, where does the force go? it repels. the flex liner will absorb impacts much different and what im told the charts cover a wider spectrum of impact forces, lower and higher then anything currently available. I'm waiting til Marchj for mine, super excited.
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I think viewing the 6D technology as simply "springs" is a pretty flawed/inaccurate way of looking at it.
I've seen the charts from 6D from Bell from Shoei, I've heard the sales pitches, I've spoken with reps and designers from other top helmet manufactures before the 6D even was introduced. I've seen the inside "ODS" system the 6D uses, I've seen the EPS foam and "Flex" liner on the moto-9 Flex. The "spring" term was a simplistic way of describing it without going down the rabbit hole of helmet tech. I think 6D upped the game for traditional helmet companies to step in, but from what I've seen and personally believe the FLEX liner seems like an improved innovation on a 6D playing field. The MIPS liner fox has, the same idea through TLD have all been welcomed innovation with lower speed impacts in mind. what always made me question 6D was a type of moving part inside a helmet. Force has to go somewhere, put a piece of gel on a table and hit it with a hammer and its gonna bulge somewhere else. I think the flex technology with the "moving plates" makes a little more sense peraonally. no rebound, no gaps in shells, less flex bc of the outter shell. Im not an engineer but common sense just raises flags in my head against some of 6Ds ideas but they sold quite a few, the local tracks are littered with them, I think that it is great to see a company come in and be so successful and I do believe in many ways they are much better then a traditional helmet but I feel that the Flex is an improvement on what they were trying to accomplish.

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