James Stewart is not a cheater

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Fraser 6/28/2014 1:12am
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This part also addresses TripleFive's nonsense: "As the years with ADHD progress, more and more tasks may fall into the "been there, done that" category and...
This part also addresses TripleFive's nonsense:

"As the years with ADHD progress, more and more tasks may fall into the "been there, done that" category and become less interesting and engaging for us."
That happens for the entire population though, not just pill poppers? So it's meaningless. Were you involved in the writing of 'Lost'? Seems like you rushed out the column with the help of the meds without properly researching anything and now you're having to go back and try and find evidence to justify some very shaky claims.

If 12% of the population have ADHD but 5% are gay, that means there's a whole group of gay ADHD sufferers you've not considered. What the hell options do they have? Very stylish supercross or extreme danger hairdressing?
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APLMAN99 wrote:
The exact same scenario with the inhaler seemed to leave you stumped........
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No, it didn't stump me. It didn't have any place with the point of my scenario. You and Nerdy missed my point. Let's play this over...
No, it didn't stump me. It didn't have any place with the point of my scenario. You and Nerdy missed my point. Let's play this over again, then:

example 1.
Cox in his natural UN-medicated state has ANY kind of disorder (symptoms)
Me in my natural UN-medicated state has no disorder
Cox cannot beat me in a race

example 2.
Cox in his unnatural medicated state no longer has disorder (symptoms)
Me in my natural UN-medicated state has no disorder
Cox can beat me in a race

Is example 2. fair to me?
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This shit is STUPID....
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San Diego Padres center fielder Cameron Maybin became the first major-league player to be suspended for performance-enhancing drug use this season Wednesday when he tested positive for amphetamines.

Maybin will be suspended 25 games without pay.

Maybin's suspension means he twice tested positive for a banned amphetamine. Under MLB's joint drug agreement, a first positive test results in additional follow-up testing; a second positive test brings a 25-game suspension.

"I have been undergoing treatment for several years for a medical condition, attention deficit disorder (ADD), for which I previously had a therapeutic use exemption (TUE),'' Maybin said in a prepared statement. "Unfortunately, in my attempts to switch back to a medicine that had been previously OK'd, I neglected to follow all the rules and as a result I tested positive.

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TripleFive 7/23/2014 1:06pm
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What a terrible press release.

Keeping the fans in the dark is the very best way that a situation like this can be handled.
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What a terrible press release.

Keeping the fans in the dark is the very best way that a situation like this can be handled.
You have a future as a pro MX team manager!
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rcm406 7/23/2014 1:19pm
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VoR wrote:
San Diego Padres center fielder Cameron Maybin became the first major-league player to be suspended for performance-enhancing drug use this season Wednesday when he tested positive...
San Diego Padres center fielder Cameron Maybin became the first major-league player to be suspended for performance-enhancing drug use this season Wednesday when he tested positive for amphetamines.

Maybin will be suspended 25 games without pay.

Maybin's suspension means he twice tested positive for a banned amphetamine. Under MLB's joint drug agreement, a first positive test results in additional follow-up testing; a second positive test brings a 25-game suspension.

"I have been undergoing treatment for several years for a medical condition, attention deficit disorder (ADD), for which I previously had a therapeutic use exemption (TUE),'' Maybin said in a prepared statement. "Unfortunately, in my attempts to switch back to a medicine that had been previously OK'd, I neglected to follow all the rules and as a result I tested positive.
You left out an important part of that PR!

"Maybin, who already had tested positive once and received a warning, received a 25-game suspension without pay for testing positive a second time. Players who test positive for amphetamines are automatically given warnings the first time, and are subjected to subsequent testing and an automatic suspension if caught a second time."
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I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug test. Then I found out that it was Adderall. This is a drug that is sometimes abused, but you have to realize that it doesn't affect someone who has ADHD in the same way it affects a person who doesn't suffer from ADHD. I'm hypothesizing here but let's say that that James suffers from ADHD and doesn't think the world needs to know his "mental health" problems. There is a social stigma about ADHD (even people who don't think it exists). In reality there are 3 types of ADHD -- inattentive, hyperactive, and combined. Then there is a stigma about "medicating" children. If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life. Most adults know that kids with ADHD drive people crazy because of their behavior. Unfortunately, they often drive the children around them crazy too -- leaving them with no social life or playmates. In these cases I've seen drugs like Adderall look like a lifesaver at times. I've heard so much incorrect information about ADHD in my career that it's almost comical. As a matter of fact I believe that there is more wrong information in society about this disorder than "good" information. James has a lot invested in his career. He may lose millions by not being able to race for a season. I consider myself a man of integrity. But if I was James I may have given a lot of thought about checking that little box that ask if I was taking any medication too. They say he made a poor decision. But "maybe" they would have told him he couldn't take his medication during the racing season. In an instant he isn't able to focus or make quick decisions like the other 'healthy" riders. This type of medication isn't intended to enhance performance -- it's intended to correct problems like poor concentration or being too impulsive. I don't claim to know what the truth is -- maybe James himself will tell us someday.
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hammertime 1/6/2015 11:27pm
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James is my favorite rider ever....but I've always thought you were the biggest loser in the industry!

Go suck on your Stevie Ray Vaughn poser hat!

And I didnt read your post or this thread!
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Lasher wrote:
I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug...
I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug test. Then I found out that it was Adderall. This is a drug that is sometimes abused, but you have to realize that it doesn't affect someone who has ADHD in the same way it affects a person who doesn't suffer from ADHD. I'm hypothesizing here but let's say that that James suffers from ADHD and doesn't think the world needs to know his "mental health" problems. There is a social stigma about ADHD (even people who don't think it exists). In reality there are 3 types of ADHD -- inattentive, hyperactive, and combined. Then there is a stigma about "medicating" children. If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life. Most adults know that kids with ADHD drive people crazy because of their behavior. Unfortunately, they often drive the children around them crazy too -- leaving them with no social life or playmates. In these cases I've seen drugs like Adderall look like a lifesaver at times. I've heard so much incorrect information about ADHD in my career that it's almost comical. As a matter of fact I believe that there is more wrong information in society about this disorder than "good" information. James has a lot invested in his career. He may lose millions by not being able to race for a season. I consider myself a man of integrity. But if I was James I may have given a lot of thought about checking that little box that ask if I was taking any medication too. They say he made a poor decision. But "maybe" they would have told him he couldn't take his medication during the racing season. In an instant he isn't able to focus or make quick decisions like the other 'healthy" riders. This type of medication isn't intended to enhance performance -- it's intended to correct problems like poor concentration or being too impulsive. I don't claim to know what the truth is -- maybe James himself will tell us someday.
"If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life."

So if that's the case then, mr Therapist, why did he by his own admission only start taking Adderall late in 2012?

He managed all those wins in the past without it just fine.
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Lasher wrote:
I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug...
I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug test. Then I found out that it was Adderall. This is a drug that is sometimes abused, but you have to realize that it doesn't affect someone who has ADHD in the same way it affects a person who doesn't suffer from ADHD. I'm hypothesizing here but let's say that that James suffers from ADHD and doesn't think the world needs to know his "mental health" problems. There is a social stigma about ADHD (even people who don't think it exists). In reality there are 3 types of ADHD -- inattentive, hyperactive, and combined. Then there is a stigma about "medicating" children. If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life. Most adults know that kids with ADHD drive people crazy because of their behavior. Unfortunately, they often drive the children around them crazy too -- leaving them with no social life or playmates. In these cases I've seen drugs like Adderall look like a lifesaver at times. I've heard so much incorrect information about ADHD in my career that it's almost comical. As a matter of fact I believe that there is more wrong information in society about this disorder than "good" information. James has a lot invested in his career. He may lose millions by not being able to race for a season. I consider myself a man of integrity. But if I was James I may have given a lot of thought about checking that little box that ask if I was taking any medication too. They say he made a poor decision. But "maybe" they would have told him he couldn't take his medication during the racing season. In an instant he isn't able to focus or make quick decisions like the other 'healthy" riders. This type of medication isn't intended to enhance performance -- it's intended to correct problems like poor concentration or being too impulsive. I don't claim to know what the truth is -- maybe James himself will tell us someday.
Fraser wrote:
"If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life." So if that's the case then, mr Therapist, why did he by his own...
"If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life."

So if that's the case then, mr Therapist, why did he by his own admission only start taking Adderall late in 2012?

He managed all those wins in the past without it just fine.
As Lasher points out, the information about these type of disorders is not very good. In society, or the medical community. Many with this disorder who are in their 40's, 50's, even 60's have lived with it for decades undiagnosed...suffering, masking, coping in any way they could...until they couldn't and looked for help in the modern age. Some people are just so strong internally they can cover their symptoms for short periods of time when its called for. Its a horrible thing to go through, and some will never agree there is even a real problem at all. There are those that know (Lasher) and there are those that don't (Fraser). And there you have it. It is what it is.
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Fraser wrote:
"If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life." So if that's the case then, mr Therapist, why did he by his own...
"If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life."

So if that's the case then, mr Therapist, why did he by his own admission only start taking Adderall late in 2012?

He managed all those wins in the past without it just fine.
He managed all those crashes in the past without it just fine.
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hahahahahaha
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He did the majority of his damage in this sport long before 2012. I don't see what changed all of a sudden. Guess age was creeping up on him and he felt he needed to get some advantage back. I duno. Either way I just wish he had gotten the proper paper work done. As a big fan of his it's something I would rather have not known about.
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FARANG 1/7/2015 6:15am
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Lasher wrote:
I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug...
I'm a licensed therapist who has been treating mental health issues close to 20 years. I was quite surprised when I found out about James' drug test. Then I found out that it was Adderall. This is a drug that is sometimes abused, but you have to realize that it doesn't affect someone who has ADHD in the same way it affects a person who doesn't suffer from ADHD. I'm hypothesizing here but let's say that that James suffers from ADHD and doesn't think the world needs to know his "mental health" problems. There is a social stigma about ADHD (even people who don't think it exists). In reality there are 3 types of ADHD -- inattentive, hyperactive, and combined. Then there is a stigma about "medicating" children. If James has this disorder then he's had it his entire life. Most adults know that kids with ADHD drive people crazy because of their behavior. Unfortunately, they often drive the children around them crazy too -- leaving them with no social life or playmates. In these cases I've seen drugs like Adderall look like a lifesaver at times. I've heard so much incorrect information about ADHD in my career that it's almost comical. As a matter of fact I believe that there is more wrong information in society about this disorder than "good" information. James has a lot invested in his career. He may lose millions by not being able to race for a season. I consider myself a man of integrity. But if I was James I may have given a lot of thought about checking that little box that ask if I was taking any medication too. They say he made a poor decision. But "maybe" they would have told him he couldn't take his medication during the racing season. In an instant he isn't able to focus or make quick decisions like the other 'healthy" riders. This type of medication isn't intended to enhance performance -- it's intended to correct problems like poor concentration or being too impulsive. I don't claim to know what the truth is -- maybe James himself will tell us someday.
Bullshit.

He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean a few days later. The ban is for not declaring use of the drug. Stewart didn't declare it so he's guilty of not declaring it. End of...

Personally I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS), but even if it was an honest mistake then the ban is still valid. He has a huge network to take care of this stuff. One of the top 10 riders in the world and he can't file a TUE? Not aware of the rules? Too busy?

Some very naive guys on this forum.

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Grieby54 1/7/2015 6:52am
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FARANG wrote:
Bullshit. He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean...
Bullshit.

He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean a few days later. The ban is for not declaring use of the drug. Stewart didn't declare it so he's guilty of not declaring it. End of...

Personally I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS), but even if it was an honest mistake then the ban is still valid. He has a huge network to take care of this stuff. One of the top 10 riders in the world and he can't file a TUE? Not aware of the rules? Too busy?

Some very naive guys on this forum.

Well we can end the debate, folks! FARANG has spoken and in his official opinion James did it on purpose.

Glad that's settled.

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FARANG wrote:
Bullshit. He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean...
Bullshit.

He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean a few days later. The ban is for not declaring use of the drug. Stewart didn't declare it so he's guilty of not declaring it. End of...

Personally I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS), but even if it was an honest mistake then the ban is still valid. He has a huge network to take care of this stuff. One of the top 10 riders in the world and he can't file a TUE? Not aware of the rules? Too busy?

Some very naive guys on this forum.

Grieby54 wrote:
Well we can end the debate, folks! FARANG has spoken and in his official opinion James did it on purpose.

Glad that's settled.
He has 410 posts and nearly every one is trashing James Stewart, dude needs help. That's sad.
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FARANG wrote:
Bullshit. He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean...
Bullshit.

He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean a few days later. The ban is for not declaring use of the drug. Stewart didn't declare it so he's guilty of not declaring it. End of...

Personally I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS), but even if it was an honest mistake then the ban is still valid. He has a huge network to take care of this stuff. One of the top 10 riders in the world and he can't file a TUE? Not aware of the rules? Too busy?

Some very naive guys on this forum.

Grieby54 wrote:
Well we can end the debate, folks! FARANG has spoken and in his official opinion James did it on purpose.

Glad that's settled.
Why are you getting so upset about it? He started that statement with "Personally, I don't believe..." What's wrong with putting your opinion out there. Just because you don't (assuming) agree with what he said, that doesn't make anything that he stated as an opinion worth getting upset over.
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Grieby54 1/7/2015 7:02am
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FARANG wrote:
Bullshit. He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean...
Bullshit.

He was banned for not declaring it. That's enough. Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months for missing a test even though he tested clean a few days later. The ban is for not declaring use of the drug. Stewart didn't declare it so he's guilty of not declaring it. End of...

Personally I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS), but even if it was an honest mistake then the ban is still valid. He has a huge network to take care of this stuff. One of the top 10 riders in the world and he can't file a TUE? Not aware of the rules? Too busy?

Some very naive guys on this forum.

Grieby54 wrote:
Well we can end the debate, folks! FARANG has spoken and in his official opinion James did it on purpose.

Glad that's settled.
hvaughn88 wrote:
Why are you getting so upset about it? He started that statement with "Personally, I don't believe..." What's wrong with putting your opinion out there. Just...
Why are you getting so upset about it? He started that statement with "Personally, I don't believe..." What's wrong with putting your opinion out there. Just because you don't (assuming) agree with what he said, that doesn't make anything that he stated as an opinion worth getting upset over.
What part of my post looks like I'm upset?

The reason I made the comment was because he started with "Bullshit" and then went on to say "Personally, I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS)..."

Sounds like he's pretty convinced his opinion is fact to me.
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hvaughn88 1/7/2015 7:06am
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Grieby54 wrote:
Well we can end the debate, folks! FARANG has spoken and in his official opinion James did it on purpose.

Glad that's settled.
hvaughn88 wrote:
Why are you getting so upset about it? He started that statement with "Personally, I don't believe..." What's wrong with putting your opinion out there. Just...
Why are you getting so upset about it? He started that statement with "Personally, I don't believe..." What's wrong with putting your opinion out there. Just because you don't (assuming) agree with what he said, that doesn't make anything that he stated as an opinion worth getting upset over.
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What part of my post looks like I'm upset? The reason I made the comment was because he started with "Bullshit" and then went on to...
What part of my post looks like I'm upset?

The reason I made the comment was because he started with "Bullshit" and then went on to say "Personally, I don't believe it was an honest mistake or an oversight (others will no doubt believe that BS)..."

Sounds like he's pretty convinced his opinion is fact to me.
When reading it, the whole post comes off like you're upset. Don't people usually believe in their opinion? Isn't that why it's your opinion?

Edit: what's the point. What's happened has happened. I just need to walk away from this one because it's just the same thing over and over. My bad for even engaging in this.
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Grieby54 1/7/2015 7:12am
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When reading it, the whole post comes off like you're upset. Don't people usually believe in their opinion? Isn't that why it's your opinion? Edit: what's...
When reading it, the whole post comes off like you're upset. Don't people usually believe in their opinion? Isn't that why it's your opinion?

Edit: what's the point. What's happened has happened. I just need to walk away from this one because it's just the same thing over and over. My bad for even engaging in this.
It was sarcasm (AKA - a joke). I'm not sure there's any reason to be upset here...

People can believe in their opinion without calling what other people believe "bullshit."
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He did the majority of his damage in this sport long before 2012. I don't see what changed all of a sudden. Guess age was creeping...
He did the majority of his damage in this sport long before 2012. I don't see what changed all of a sudden. Guess age was creeping up on him and he felt he needed to get some advantage back. I duno. Either way I just wish he had gotten the proper paper work done. As a big fan of his it's something I would rather have not known about.
From my own experience, my ADHD was moderate until my late 20s or early 30s, and then it started to impact my work and relationships more. I'm sure that everyone is different on that, though.
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James is my favorite rider ever....but I've always thought you were the biggest loser in the industry! Go suck on your Stevie Ray Vaughn poser hat...
James is my favorite rider ever....but I've always thought you were the biggest loser in the industry!

Go suck on your Stevie Ray Vaughn poser hat!

And I didnt read your post or this thread!
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Just call him what everyone else calls him:

Wait, they don't call him at all...

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