Tubliss Tire System

garrettcibak71
Edited Date/Time 12/27/2014 7:34pm
Anybody running the Tubliss tire system by nuetech? If so, what PSI are you running? I race harescrambles and am never on the track. I hear some people running 5 psi and others running 10. Can I get away with running 5 and not get a flat in the woods? I know the bead will not break, but I still don't want my tire to be that flat while I'm riding. Any opinions?
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Kawaboy14 12/21/2014 6:24am
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I have it in both tires, I hate it!

They leak and will be flat in 2 days after coming home from riding. I always feel like they are about to go flat when I'm riding. I run 110 psi and 10 psi

I will be switching back to heavy duty tubes soon.

Having said all that, you can definitely feel the tires grip more/better with the lower pressures
Sheriff245 12/21/2014 6:34am
12/21/2014 6:34am
I hated mine too. The weight savings claim is a scam (almost as heavy as UHD tubes), and I couldn't make them hold air either. They don't work with all tires, so your choices become limited. And those that work aren't the light ones either.

So I'd say I ran mine around 10-12 psi at the beginning of the day, but if I didn't check them they would fall below 10psi by the end of the day.
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Gringoe 12/21/2014 7:14am
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Glad I came across this thread, I was very interested in this system.

So, mousses still the way to go?
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Wiley 12/21/2014 10:06am
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I had problems with the first generation of the product and swore them off. That was probably five years ago. About a year ago some buddies claimed they had great success, so I gave it a go again. Been happy with the product for a little over a year now. I haven't had any issues at all. Also, be sure to run a product like Slime in the event you get a puncture while riding.

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race250r 12/21/2014 10:33am
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I ran one on the rear for about a year. Only headache was when putting on a new tire or flipping for a new edge. I always felt like I had a slow leak on the inner tube (high pressure tube). Twice a had to break the bead, go through the alignment process with the valve stems, cuss a bit, then air it up. Eventually it would hold but I feel like it was more hassle than I needed.

I will say they have great tech support. All my questions and concerns were met with assurance that hey would make it right if the product failed.
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PTshox 12/21/2014 11:22am
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Interesting... I've been looking at getting some. I have a friend that runs them and he had leaking issues... Till he put the slime in. After that he said they have been great. Much better traction on roots and rocks... Sounds like for off road they maybe worth the hassle.
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keeptwostrokesalive 12/21/2014 3:54pm
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I love mine and haven't had any problems with mine on the rear tire so far! I usually run 9-10 psi in the rear tire on the motocross tracks
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thebleakness 12/21/2014 4:27pm
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They are awesome... when they hold air. I think they would work well in some terrains but in Arizona where everything is sharp, pointy or out to hurt you, the tubliss don't hold up very well. I was always flatting because of gashes or more often, cactus needles. They are nice to have when you do get a flat though. I finished a few races because the inner tube holds the tire to the rim. Stans sealant helps but it has to be replaced so often that it just gets to be a pain.

For me, mousses are the only way to go. They feel better, easier to install and remove (if you know the tricks) and last decently long if you take care of them. Only bummer is that they're expensive.
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Kawaboy14 12/21/2014 7:05pm
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I am using the hard pack bridge stones with no slime. I'll give the slime a try this week and see if it helps.

Do I just put the slime in the low pressure valve or do I need to break the bead and get it around the rim?
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Crush 12/21/2014 7:23pm
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I've read so many goddam polarising opinions on these things. Some dudes saying the best ever, some have nothing but vitriol and scorn... Is there an element of it they're really finicky to install or something?
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Skerby 12/21/2014 7:32pm
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I ran one for a little while, you need to use a sealent, like slime, around the bead of your tire. I've heard it helps if you run a wire wheel around the bead of the rim as well. they're kind of a hassle but so are mousses.
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newmann 12/21/2014 7:55pm
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You have to be deep into self mutilation to install a front one. I ended up buggering the bead on a brand new Dunlop trying to wrestle it on. Bought another new Dunlop and took it to a long time moto mechanic friend of mine. He gave up so I took it to another long time moto mechanic friend of mine who also gave up. It takes up so much space down in the rim groove that you cant get the tire down in the groove to get it on the rim. The rear went on with no issues. The so called weight savings is only when compared to a heavy duty tube, not a stock weight tube. Misleading statement there.
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moto0852 12/21/2014 8:08pm
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newmann wrote:
You have to be deep into self mutilation to install a front one. I ended up buggering the bead on a brand new Dunlop trying to...
You have to be deep into self mutilation to install a front one. I ended up buggering the bead on a brand new Dunlop trying to wrestle it on. Bought another new Dunlop and took it to a long time moto mechanic friend of mine. He gave up so I took it to another long time moto mechanic friend of mine who also gave up. It takes up so much space down in the rim groove that you cant get the tire down in the groove to get it on the rim. The rear went on with no issues. The so called weight savings is only when compared to a heavy duty tube, not a stock weight tube. Misleading statement there.
It is interesting the vast difference in opinions on them. I have to say I fall into the "It's one of the most amazing mods I've ever done to my bike" camp. Steering dampers, Rekluse clutch, Flexx bars and Tubliss tubes are the biggest improvements I think you can do to a bike.

Yes, they are finicky and tricky to get the bead set up front....there's a learning curve. But once you've got it you'll never go back. I will say this, for as much a pain as they are, if you are racing side by side someone who has them and you don't (and there running 7 psi) they WILL have more traction than you and you will be at a disadvantage.

Newman, it's weird. I am a marginal mechanic at best and absolutely horrible with tire changes. (I believe I hold the world record for pinched tubes....really really good at that) anyway, I can mount a tubliss front or rear (your right, the fronts are harder) in less than 15 mins. each and never have a problem.

I believe the mounting procedure is just so different than a normal tire that people freak out.

In summary... I'd hope I never have to ride without them again. (Tubliss if your reading this please pm me as to where you may send my sponsorship dollars!)
garrettcibak71 12/23/2014 5:35pm
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Wiley wrote:
I had problems with the first generation of the product and swore them off. That was probably five years ago. About a year ago some buddies...
I had problems with the first generation of the product and swore them off. That was probably five years ago. About a year ago some buddies claimed they had great success, so I gave it a go again. Been happy with the product for a little over a year now. I haven't had any issues at all. Also, be sure to run a product like Slime in the event you get a puncture while riding.
what psi are you running?
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jpd855 12/27/2014 12:44pm
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Crush wrote:
I've read so many goddam polarising opinions on these things. Some dudes saying the best ever, some have nothing but vitriol and scorn... Is there an...
I've read so many goddam polarising opinions on these things. Some dudes saying the best ever, some have nothing but vitriol and scorn... Is there an element of it they're really finicky to install or something?
YES! The installation can be the tipping point for a good or bad experience with this product. I have learned the hard way that there is only ONE RIGHT WAY to install them and if you do not follow EVERY STEP of the detailed instruction, things can get ugly. And then when you get frustrated and try to force them on, it will damage the seal and after this they will leak from then on. IF you can keep from trying to change a tire like you want to with a standard tube and TAKE THE TIME to follow and check of each box of their instructions everything goes much smoother. They also provide some very good tips on the back side of the instructions for installing and riding with them.

SO - Just take the time to read & follow their instructions (I also HIGHLY RECOMMEND READING their TIPS on the back side of the instructions too) and you will find these are one of the best mods you can do for your bike and overall riding experience.

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Kawaboy14 12/27/2014 1:27pm
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I had the moto shop do mine.....went from a brand new bike/tire to the the tubeless. I added the slime and it has helped a lot!
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Kawaboy14 wrote:
I had the moto shop do mine.....went from a brand new bike/tire to the the tubeless. I added the slime and it has helped a lot!
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I'm in the "best thing since sliced bread" camp. I've been running Tubliss F/R on my yz450f for about a year now. I do run slime and believe it helps tremendously with mounting and sealing when applied to the bead during install. I have run as low as 4psi with regular moto tires and 0-4psi with the AT81 Desert rear. I find myself going through fewer tires due to the added traction as well which is a nice benefit.
I really like the fact that punctures are a 2 minute fix with a plug kit and that's if I even bother to fix it. I've ridden an entire day with a one inch hole in the back tire when i punctured it early on. Those who complain about puncture problems likely would have had a flat either way.
Once the system is installed on the wheel, tire changes are just as easy as a normal set up, if not easier. Reading and following the instructions is critical and likely the cause of most negative reviews imho.
I should note that I ride woods almost exclusively, the harder the better. I also race the occasional GP and XC race.
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#991 12/27/2014 3:56pm
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drtrcr400 wrote:
I'm in the "best thing since sliced bread" camp. I've been running Tubliss F/R on my yz450f for about a year now. I do run slime...
I'm in the "best thing since sliced bread" camp. I've been running Tubliss F/R on my yz450f for about a year now. I do run slime and believe it helps tremendously with mounting and sealing when applied to the bead during install. I have run as low as 4psi with regular moto tires and 0-4psi with the AT81 Desert rear. I find myself going through fewer tires due to the added traction as well which is a nice benefit.
I really like the fact that punctures are a 2 minute fix with a plug kit and that's if I even bother to fix it. I've ridden an entire day with a one inch hole in the back tire when i punctured it early on. Those who complain about puncture problems likely would have had a flat either way.
Once the system is installed on the wheel, tire changes are just as easy as a normal set up, if not easier. Reading and following the instructions is critical and likely the cause of most negative reviews imho.
I should note that I ride woods almost exclusively, the harder the better. I also race the occasional GP and XC race.
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Suns_PSD 12/27/2014 3:58pm
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Run them front and rear and have for years. They won't be airtight but adding a bit of slime cures that completely.
Traction is great. Changing tires is a breeze. And I never get flats any longer. The rear set up was a bit lighter (slime and all) to a lightweight tube set up, front set up was equal in weight.
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I know this is an old post, but I have over four years of experience with the originals and the gen2 Tubliss. They are easy on the rear but the front is much tougher to install. You need a paradigm shift in your thinking when mounting. It isn't a tube, just like a four stroke top end is tougher to change than a two stroke.

I use the Dunlop AT81 Front and the AT81RC rear on every surface...mud to limerock...no more spare wheels. Just change the psi...7 and 6 on hardpack down to 5 and four in mud.

Perfromance wise, this is the best mod I have ever done. Traction galore. When I can take 125 two stroke lines on my 450 on an MX track and don't really need a berm to turn at speed, I'm a believer. When I can make passes in the muddy line when everyone else is riding single file on the drier line, I'm sold. When 1/2 psi lower can get me a holeshot and I can run 7 and 6 psi on hardpack - lower on loam - I'm leading the moto. The product works and yeah, it's more work, but MX is more work than golf but we do it because we love it. And I love traction. I also love passing riders who don't have the Tubliss system.
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I have a Tubliss system for an 18" rim if anyone is interested, make me an offer
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They work great for me. I have 40 hrs on them.
Since I have put them in I have sliced 2 tries, I think this is because I am smashing every thing, to se how they will hold up. I think for off road they are great. 11-13 psi works well. I raced a nasty hare scramble and sliced a front tire with about 1.5 hrs to go, my goal for the rest of the race was to try to destroy the tubless system and could not. It is a quick fix on the side of the trail when you are out with boys. I would highly recommend this gen2 system. Hard carcass tires are a must , preferably with closer knob spacing.
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newmann wrote:
You have to be deep into self mutilation to install a front one. I ended up buggering the bead on a brand new Dunlop trying to...
You have to be deep into self mutilation to install a front one. I ended up buggering the bead on a brand new Dunlop trying to wrestle it on. Bought another new Dunlop and took it to a long time moto mechanic friend of mine. He gave up so I took it to another long time moto mechanic friend of mine who also gave up. It takes up so much space down in the rim groove that you cant get the tire down in the groove to get it on the rim. The rear went on with no issues. The so called weight savings is only when compared to a heavy duty tube, not a stock weight tube. Misleading statement there.
Did you or the other installer ever watch the video?

After the learning curve most people love TUbliss especially when mounting new tires. No tube to mess with and TUblias stays on rim making tire installs a breeze.
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brewrabb 7/19/2016 6:22pm
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When is Think going to make a lighter than air mousse?
crusty_xx 7/19/2016 7:17pm
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garrettcibak71 wrote:
Anybody running the Tubliss tire system by nuetech? If so, what PSI are you running? I race harescrambles and am never on the track. I hear...
Anybody running the Tubliss tire system by nuetech? If so, what PSI are you running? I race harescrambles and am never on the track. I hear some people running 5 psi and others running 10. Can I get away with running 5 and not get a flat in the woods? I know the bead will not break, but I still don't want my tire to be that flat while I'm riding. Any opinions?
I wouldn't recommend to go under 8psi. You risk having a dent on the rim by a rock or something. That will cause the air to leak because of the missing tube.
The system is pretty decent for beginners. If you go any sort of fast you will run into problems sooner or later.

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