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12/18/2014 8:19am
jmx411 wrote:
We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals...
We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals and cheaters start having a voice?
A good question.We are a bunch of egoistic idiots who have the desire to steer our inability to other ones.
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12/18/2014 8:33am
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Well, when you said "You have to have authority my man. If you don't you will eventually crumble from within," that certainly sounded like some right...
Well, when you said "You have to have authority my man. If you don't you will eventually crumble from within," that certainly sounded like some right wing founding father rhetoric. The liberal do-goody version would have replaced authority with compassion. The real answer is not an absolute one over the other, but judicious review of each circumstance, which is the drum most people are beating here. Does the punishment fit the crime? I personally don't think so. IF he was using HGH or something more serious, I would probably say that he made his bed and can sleep in it.
Look at history of nations. When authority weakened they crumbled from within, but this is getting off topic. Truth is if Stewart filed the paperwork like he was suppose to before hand then he wouldn't have had this problem. He failed the test without the proper paperwork so now he has to pay the penalty.

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12/18/2014 8:39am
TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
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I don't know what you're reading, but I haven't seen anyone saying that Stewart didn't do it or that he doesn't have the elephant's share of...
I don't know what you're reading, but I haven't seen anyone saying that Stewart didn't do it or that he doesn't have the elephant's share of the fault. . . Just saying that the penalty is too steep. . .

It's like giving jail time for not getting your vehicle registered.
after doing a lot of thinking on this i would agree fully with your statement.

while i do think people are trying to pass the blame to FIM and WADA (which is completely ridiculous), i am of the mindset that i think the penalty is too harsh in this case.
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12/18/2014 8:45am
hillbilly wrote:
When sharpton and jackson hear about this then meet with obama there will be sign toting welfare recipients marching in front of tv cameras if they...
When sharpton and jackson hear about this then meet with obama there will be sign toting welfare recipients marching in front
of tv cameras if they can figure out where fim headquarters are.
Fox News certainly has the vital mx demographic covered
Grinning Grinning I would have to agree.

The people on Stewart's side on all this are arguing the punishment is too steep for him not having the paperwork filed. So really, it's okay he takes adderall, that is not cheating, but because he didn't have the paperwork in at the time of the drug test, he can't race for 16 months. That is why people are mad.

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12/18/2014 8:47am
Too much instant information for people to sift through combined with how we are hard-wired to take in information leads to asymmetrical "critical thinking" that's further fueled by the pundits spinning verse that the choir what's to hear.

People need to step away from the pros, listen to the cons and then debate the narrative from both points before they make decisions.

Difficult.

Or just drink more Monster Energy and follow the herd.

Easy.
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12/18/2014 8:53am
h&m_cycle wrote:
Damn, this is a right wing site....

Maybe I should change my avatar
I'd agree mostly, but please don't let the terrorists win. Keep your avatar.
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12/18/2014 9:01am Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 9:02am
Maybe the fim wants bubba to tell everything he knows. I'm not a cycling expert whatsoever but when Lance Armstrong's teammate (s) got busted for failed tests they eventually got off with a pretty small timeout because they spilled the beans. Lance denied everything to the bitter end, still had never failed a drug test but got the book thrown at him. Lance may have been the best cheater ever. The wada usada wanted to know how he did it to help catch people in the future and send a message. Is that whats in play here? I think a fair question is Why is the penalty so steep?

Are there penalty guidelines or is each case penalized individually ?

A speeding ticket 9-15 mph over is $175-- failed test for adderall is how many races..? or is it all arbitrary?

12/18/2014 9:02am
burn1986 wrote:
tombaisley summed it up:

"... Are races in Europe sanctioned by the AMA? "
For fucks sake, how many times does this need to be explained

no the AMA does not run races in europe, they are sanctioned by the ACU in Great Briten, the FFM in France, and by MA in australia, and MNZ in new zeraland because they are national federations just like the AMA is for the USA,

FIM is the international body that all of the national federations belong to, they only run the world championships, the SX series is a world championship, so the FIM is in it, over the top of the AMA,

the FIM is not a european organisation, it is a worldwide organisation that is based in Switzerland,
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12/18/2014 9:04am
jmx411 wrote:
Look at history of nations. When authority weakened they crumbled from within, but this is getting off topic. Truth is if Stewart filed the paperwork like...
Look at history of nations. When authority weakened they crumbled from within, but this is getting off topic. Truth is if Stewart filed the paperwork like he was suppose to before hand then he wouldn't have had this problem. He failed the test without the proper paperwork so now he has to pay the penalty.

I'm not questioning the validity of your statement, but just pointing out (at your request) why people would think its coming from a right-wing point of view.

I for one wish the nurse had of shown up with her credentials. Then she wouldn't have to explain why she had to visit JBS. Then JBS would be free to do whatever he does in the motorhome (just like all the other racers).
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12/18/2014 9:05am
hillbilly wrote:
When sharpton and jackson hear about this then meet with obama there will be sign toting welfare recipients marching in front of tv cameras if they...
When sharpton and jackson hear about this then meet with obama there will be sign toting welfare recipients marching in front
of tv cameras if they can figure out where fim headquarters are.
h&m_cycle wrote:
Damn, this is a right wing site....

Maybe I should change my avatar
Most racing that involves motors are usually pretty conservative based in my experience.

Many here would think I'm a screaming liberal but there is a 1911 sitting next to my laptop and a precision AR next to it........

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12/18/2014 9:05am
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Yes the gun control comment was a jab at you as your Fox news comment was a jab at anyone here who knows the difference between...
Yes the gun control comment was a jab at you as your Fox news comment was a jab at anyone here who knows the difference between right and wrong. The 22 people was a quote from Big James on Bubbas World laughing and joking about all the people they have to take care of their affairs. Yet no one took care of the one thing that mattered the most, James ability to earn money. All the agents, man friends, sponsors.....yeah, big sponsors....they all dropped the ball.
Not to mention he's admitted to taking Adderall since 2012, WADA has been involved since 2013, and he failed 4 months into the 2014 season. Maybe the generic wasn't on the list.
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12/18/2014 9:08am
I agree. Whether you think he's receiving a harsh punishment or not is a different topic. He broke the rules and there definitely should have been a punishment, and nobody can really be mad or argue about that. Stewart has nobody to blame but himself.
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12/18/2014 9:22am
jmx411 wrote:
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules...
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules you serve the time.
mom241 wrote:
Has anyone considered that Stewart was probably taking this substance for the whole season last year? He already got away with months of being "illegal".
I've mentioned both of these points and it seems nobody cares. if you take them into consideration the punishment is pretty fitting IMO
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12/18/2014 9:41am
jmx411 wrote:
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules...
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules you serve the time.
mom241 wrote:
Has anyone considered that Stewart was probably taking this substance for the whole season last year? He already got away with months of being "illegal".
Here is my take:

I get what you are saying but WADA granted him a TUE or so it has been reported. If they had come back and denied the TUE, then I would have no issue with ANY suspension. Since they agree that he needs this medication, it is now a paperwork error. IMO, paperwork errors aren't worth anywhere near 16 months. I would argue for a small fine and cost of hearings etc.. at that point.
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12/18/2014 9:54am
BAMX wrote:
Here is my take: I get what you are saying but WADA granted him a TUE or so it has been reported. If they had come...
Here is my take:

I get what you are saying but WADA granted him a TUE or so it has been reported. If they had come back and denied the TUE, then I would have no issue with ANY suspension. Since they agree that he needs this medication, it is now a paperwork error. IMO, paperwork errors aren't worth anywhere near 16 months. I would argue for a small fine and cost of hearings etc.. at that point.
Failing a drug test is not a paperwork error. If he had turned in incorrect or incomplete paperwork and THEN failed a drug test, that would be a paperwork error.
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12/18/2014 9:59am Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 9:59am
burn1986 wrote:
tombaisley summed it up:

"... Are races in Europe sanctioned by the AMA? "
scott_nz wrote:
For fucks sake, how many times does this need to be explained no the AMA does not run races in europe, they are sanctioned by the...
For fucks sake, how many times does this need to be explained

no the AMA does not run races in europe, they are sanctioned by the ACU in Great Briten, the FFM in France, and by MA in australia, and MNZ in new zeraland because they are national federations just like the AMA is for the USA,

FIM is the international body that all of the national federations belong to, they only run the world championships, the SX series is a world championship, so the FIM is in it, over the top of the AMA,

the FIM is not a european organisation, it is a worldwide organisation that is based in Switzerland,
Really?! We know they're not sanctioned by the AMA, bozo! I know what the damned FIM is, I was making a point! Boy thanks for the information anyway Captain Obvious!
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12/18/2014 10:02am
In my eyes Stewy is at fault. But the punishment shoulda been a 16 mo suspended sentence with a 2 year probation. Everyone wins there.

As far as these fools in the streets go. Well, welcome to the "self esteem" generation.

In the last 20 years.
Dad's are idiots according to every major secular influence TV, Music, etc. Try and remember a TV show in the last 20 years, a popular song, or a commercial where the dad is respected and revered. Not gonna happen.

And in many cases moms are now gone from the child rearing scene. Many off to work only to leave little Johnny at home to play D&D in the basement while chatting with "busty69" on the net (who is probably a 50 year old gay guy)

Kids have been taught to refer to their "feelings" in decision making instead of understanding right and wrong and going that route regardless of emotion. This is a result of the self esteem generation. I call them the "Happy Meal" generation.

Fictional Heros in movies are now villains. They do not operate according to a moral right and wrong and find a solution to what ever the conflict may be. But instead sink to the level of the real antagonist and get revenge and it FEELS good. So gone are the moral lessons.

Instead of working hard earning respect and material things all the while building your character , we now have the INSTA--FAME mindset. We want respect and money right now.

Then there are these guys like Sharpton who only want fame and fortune at the expense of exploiting the emotions of those people. They get up on stage and engage the masses (his followers) mindsets and corrals them into a belief that isn't factually true (hands up don't shoot) ignore the facts, and raise hell. This makes the masses FEEL better and he gets richer. He is prostituting his own people.


In the last 20 years a lot of bad cops have been recorded an aired for all to see on YouTube. If you go and watch for a few minutes it is easy to walk away from your computer kinda pissed at all cops. But that's where we need to switch from emotion to logic. They are not all bad. I can go watch tons of Youtube videos of black people doing bad things and walk away with the same emotion but then I am a racist.


We need to put dads back in charge of the home with a good size paddle. And start raising kids again. Instead of spoiled brats.

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12/18/2014 10:04am
Let me make this point, JOSH COPPINS WAS SUSPENDED ONLY 3 MONTHS FOR DOPING IN 2002. Andrea Bartolini failed a test for STEROIDS and got only...
Let me make this point, JOSH COPPINS WAS SUSPENDED ONLY 3 MONTHS FOR DOPING IN 2002.

Andrea Bartolini failed a test for STEROIDS and got only 6 months.


In my OPINION Stewart should only get three months. You can argue more and I'd be ok with 6 months but 3 months to 16 months is an huge difference.
Coppins was suspended in 02, 12 years ago. Times have changed, it looks like penalties are becoming more severe, as you might expect. What was the typical MLB/NFL deal back then? If anything, the time to reach this decision is what I find completely outrageous, and gives James little time to appeal. I would think it was set up that way, the decision makers could quite possibly have an agenda. They are also, allegedly, involved in this process, because they are impartial. As in, not the AMA, or anyone influenced by James supporters. Somewhat like a jury, or even the World Court in The Hague. Impartial, unbiased people, making decisions, at least in theory.
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12/18/2014 10:06am
jmx411 wrote:
We live in a world where its the "Teachers fault", "Coaches fault", "Police's fault", "Schools fault". Man up and take ownership for the wrongdoing.
James himseld admitted to it...never denied it and has not said anything negative about the situation...or the way it has been handled. Sounds like he was raised right to me...you however sound like a whiner....
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12/18/2014 10:10am Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 10:24am
Look the point is that now someone needs to stand up and say he can race - that needs to be the promoters (DC and Feld) in conjunction with the AMA. In a case like this, a regular court judge would give him "time served." But of course, that would be a real crime like Possession With Intent to Distribute a Schedule 1 or 2 substance.
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12/18/2014 10:16am
First of all although it probably was Adderall, there is no proof that it was, it shows up as an amphetamine. This is why Adderall is now the drug of choice for ballplayers, it is a masking agent for other drugs.

Is ADD/drugging kids a strictly American phenomenon? When I was a kid I got my ass beat for my ADD behavior. Seemed to work ok.
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12/18/2014 10:20am
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Liberals ,that is the answer to your question.
I would offer it's more hypocritical right wingers who pretend they're patriots without knowing even the most basic tenants of democracy.
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12/18/2014 10:26am
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First of all although it probably was Adderall, there is no proof that it was, it shows up as an amphetamine. This is why Adderall is...
First of all although it probably was Adderall, there is no proof that it was, it shows up as an amphetamine. This is why Adderall is now the drug of choice for ballplayers, it is a masking agent for other drugs.

Is ADD/drugging kids a strictly American phenomenon? When I was a kid I got my ass beat for my ADD behavior. Seemed to work ok.
I like you're post count. Good timing for such a wonderful reply. At least you didn't insinuate that James is using Adderall to mask all kinds of other drugs. What kind of drugs do you think he is masking?
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12/18/2014 10:38am
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Here is my take: I get what you are saying but WADA granted him a TUE or so it has been reported. If they had come...
Here is my take:

I get what you are saying but WADA granted him a TUE or so it has been reported. If they had come back and denied the TUE, then I would have no issue with ANY suspension. Since they agree that he needs this medication, it is now a paperwork error. IMO, paperwork errors aren't worth anywhere near 16 months. I would argue for a small fine and cost of hearings etc.. at that point.
TommyLee93 wrote:
Failing a drug test is not a paperwork error. If he had turned in incorrect or incomplete paperwork and THEN failed a drug test, that would...
Failing a drug test is not a paperwork error. If he had turned in incorrect or incomplete paperwork and THEN failed a drug test, that would be a paperwork error.
He failed a drug test for a medication that WADA says he needs. It I so important that they have already rushed to give him a TUE for it. If he failed a drug test for EPO, HGH etc., we would be talking about an entirely different scenario. The nuance matter and the penalty doesn't fit the infraction IMO.
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12/18/2014 10:43am
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He failed a drug test for a medication that WADA says he needs. It I so important that they have already rushed to give him a...
He failed a drug test for a medication that WADA says he needs. It I so important that they have already rushed to give him a TUE for it. If he failed a drug test for EPO, HGH etc., we would be talking about an entirely different scenario. The nuance matter and the penalty doesn't fit the infraction IMO.
No, wrong-

He failed a drug test for amphetamine. That could have come from Adderall, or anything for all we know right now. We've not seen any evidence yet from the FIM/WADA findings that confirm how it got there.

He's since been given a TUE for Adderall going forward, but how do you know its importance, or whether it was rushed or not????
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12/18/2014 10:49am
jmx411 wrote:
We live in a world where its the "Teachers fault", "Coaches fault", "Police's fault", "Schools fault". Man up and take ownership for the wrongdoing.
Maybe the FIM will listen to us if we all go burn down a town? I totally agree with your statement but the difference between us...
Maybe the FIM will listen to us if we all go burn down a town? I totally agree with your statement but the difference between us and them is that we are just venting our frustrations on a message board. This isn't nearly as bad as the things that other people do when they are angry. We aren't going to be blocking any traffic, or throwing bricks at police.

It's just frustrating, deep down I think we are all just pissed because this year could have been an amazing opportunity for one of the old dogs to maybe take home a title after a lot of years of RV spanking everyone.
Two flaws here. JS7 is not dead. The FIM did not kill him, no homicide committed.. Big difference between FIM and Ferguson or NY police.

And RV or no RV, JS7 was not taking home a title. JS7 is his own worst enemy. He can't finish a season anymore. Plus, who wants an asterisks title anyway? A 2015 SX Title is worthless without RV2 IMO.
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12/18/2014 10:51am
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Look the point is that now someone needs to stand up and say he can race - that needs to be the promoters (DC and Feld)...
Look the point is that now someone needs to stand up and say he can race - that needs to be the promoters (DC and Feld) in conjunction with the AMA. In a case like this, a regular court judge would give him "time served." But of course, that would be a real crime like Possession With Intent to Distribute a Schedule 1 or 2 substance.
Someone is standing up for justice!



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12/18/2014 10:52am
And the Rethugs are doing such a great job of punishing the Wall Street thugs. I guess you two missed the fact that you're now on the hook for $300 Trillion in FDIC insured derivatives. Or did Hannity fail to tell you?
12/18/2014 10:54am
It's definitely a bummer to not have him out there come A1. But I see where FIM got there 16 months from, in 12 I think it was one of the riders on motogp circuit tested positive for aderall. The FIM banned him for one month. But WADA wasn't happy about it and took the FIM to court and lobbied for a 24 month ban. They settled on a 18 month ban in end. So I can see there is a precedent of sorts for it.
But it's still a shame we'll miss him out there.
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12/18/2014 10:56am Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 10:58am
jmx411 wrote:
We live in a world where its the "Teachers fault", "Coaches fault", "Police's fault", "Schools fault". Man up and take ownership for the wrongdoing.
BD233 wrote:
James himseld admitted to it...never denied it and has not said anything negative about the situation...or the way it has been handled. Sounds like he was...
James himseld admitted to it...never denied it and has not said anything negative about the situation...or the way it has been handled. Sounds like he was raised right to me...you however sound like a whiner....
How am I whining exactly? I, like James, come out admit to when I am wrong. If I made a bad grade it's because I didn't work hard enough. If I didn't get playing time its because I was not good enough. If I got arrested it' because I broke the law. If I got detention it's because I broke school rules. Take ownership and quiet blaming others.

The problem I have is these people on here blaming everyone else when James did the wrong doing. Man up take the punishment and come back and whip some ass next year. So tell me again how I am whining BD233?

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