mxa/ stewart news?

Hut wrote:

If adderall was banned there would be no argument. They supposedly approved his TUE afterwards.

Skippie wrote:

Adderall is banned, which is why he needed the TUE in the first place.

Hut wrote:

I'm not a lawyer and not overly familiar with the terms but adderall is allowed with a TUE. In my world we do not report our...

I'm not a lawyer and not overly familiar with the terms but adderall is allowed with a TUE.

In my world we do not report our prescribed medications prior to testing(like the old days) due to privacy laws. If they see something they will review it and request to see a prescription.

Hut wrote:

I'm not a lawyer and not overly familiar with the terms but adderall is allowed with a TUE. In my world we do not report our...

I'm not a lawyer and not overly familiar with the terms but adderall is allowed with a TUE.

In my world we do not report our prescribed medications prior to testing(like the old days) due to privacy laws. If they see something they will review it and request to see a prescription.

Walter wrote:

It is different under WADA rules. If it is illegal, even if you have a Rx you get penalized w/o a [i]prior [/i]TUE. Granting a TUE...

It is different under WADA rules. If it is illegal, even if you have a Rx you get penalized w/o a prior TUE. Granting a TUE post hoc, does not change the prior violation.

This has been beaten to death, but why would these folks not know the rules given all of the meetings , notices and publicity and get a TUE long ago if there was a valid Rx in place and a history of using the medication. Just amazing that if that were true, that simple step was not taken.

Hut wrote:

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when...

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when riders start getting punished or eliminated from competition based on technicalities.
In my pee brain it's just not a big deal that he didn't file for an exemption in time.

Hut wrote:

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when...

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when riders start getting punished or eliminated from competition based on technicalities.
In my pee brain it's just not a big deal that he didn't file for an exemption in time.

peelout wrote:

i'm not sure who's claiming Stewart needs to be banished for 2 years, or one year, or one week, or one race. that is up to...

i'm not sure who's claiming Stewart needs to be banished for 2 years, or one year, or one week, or one race. that is up to the powers that be at FIM and WADA. i'm certainly not asking for him to be lynched, but i'm also not saying it should be a slap on the wrist. i'm not sure what the penalty should have to be, i'm glad i'm not part of that decision making process.

the spirit of WADA in this case is to have a base of regulations that say what you CAN and CANNOT be taking. i haven't seen the list, but it would have to be VERY extensive so that in any case the violation is black and white, not grey. there are also regulations that say if you ARE taking these banned substances, you must first get a TUE from the proper avenues before competing. whether he got a TUE afterwards or not should be a moot point.

if this were RV, Roczen, Grant, etc it would be the same. there should be no favoritism and it shouldn't be a case of it being confusing. James has people in his corner (lawyers, managers, agents, etc) that should have been taking care of this when testing was first announced.

peelout wrote:

i'm not sure who's claiming Stewart needs to be banished for 2 years, or one year, or one week, or one race. that is up to...

i'm not sure who's claiming Stewart needs to be banished for 2 years, or one year, or one week, or one race. that is up to the powers that be at FIM and WADA. i'm certainly not asking for him to be lynched, but i'm also not saying it should be a slap on the wrist. i'm not sure what the penalty should have to be, i'm glad i'm not part of that decision making process.

the spirit of WADA in this case is to have a base of regulations that say what you CAN and CANNOT be taking. i haven't seen the list, but it would have to be VERY extensive so that in any case the violation is black and white, not grey. there are also regulations that say if you ARE taking these banned substances, you must first get a TUE from the proper avenues before competing. whether he got a TUE afterwards or not should be a moot point.

if this were RV, Roczen, Grant, etc it would be the same. there should be no favoritism and it shouldn't be a case of it being confusing. James has people in his corner (lawyers, managers, agents, etc) that should have been taking care of this when testing was first announced.

Samdanny576 wrote:

Wait for some young kid to fail the test for weed or NyQuil, and be required to go through the same things people that fail for...

Wait for some young kid to fail the test for weed or NyQuil, and be required to go through the same things people that fail for anabolic steroids does, and you might then realize how dumb WADA testing/procedures are.



It will happen if they continue to use WADA. I guarantee that.

Hut wrote:

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when...

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when riders start getting punished or eliminated from competition based on technicalities.
In my pee brain it's just not a big deal that he didn't file for an exemption in time.

reded wrote:

That is how the process works. If you have a prescribed medication that is on the list, you file for a TUE. Stewart caused his own...

That is how the process works. If you have a prescribed medication that is on the list, you file for a TUE. Stewart caused his own technicality by not filing the TUE. He knew the rules and didn't follow them, therefore he will be punished. How can you NOT understand any of this?

I don't understand how one can be a productive part of society when they don't understand that there are rules and if broken there will be consequences. Where do you people come from?

Hut wrote:

I understand it but I don't agree with a severe penalty. If he gets suspended for a race or two that would seem fair to me...

I understand it but I don't agree with a severe penalty. If he gets suspended for a race or two that would seem fair to me.
I don't know enough about the specifics here but I haven't read anything that accuses him or the team of actually cheating. It sounds more like a misunderstanding of the process.

Everyone is an expert of how a TUE works now after the fact.

Hut wrote:

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when...

I understand he should have had an exemption prior to the test but I don't like it. I will lose interest in the series fast when riders start getting punished or eliminated from competition based on technicalities.
In my pee brain it's just not a big deal that he didn't file for an exemption in time.

peelout wrote:

i'm not sure who's claiming Stewart needs to be banished for 2 years, or one year, or one week, or one race. that is up to...

i'm not sure who's claiming Stewart needs to be banished for 2 years, or one year, or one week, or one race. that is up to the powers that be at FIM and WADA. i'm certainly not asking for him to be lynched, but i'm also not saying it should be a slap on the wrist. i'm not sure what the penalty should have to be, i'm glad i'm not part of that decision making process.

the spirit of WADA in this case is to have a base of regulations that say what you CAN and CANNOT be taking. i haven't seen the list, but it would have to be VERY extensive so that in any case the violation is black and white, not grey. there are also regulations that say if you ARE taking these banned substances, you must first get a TUE from the proper avenues before competing. whether he got a TUE afterwards or not should be a moot point.

if this were RV, Roczen, Grant, etc it would be the same. there should be no favoritism and it shouldn't be a case of it being confusing. James has people in his corner (lawyers, managers, agents, etc) that should have been taking care of this when testing was first announced.

Samdanny576 wrote:

Wait for some young kid to fail the test for weed or NyQuil, and be required to go through the same things people that fail for...

Wait for some young kid to fail the test for weed or NyQuil, and be required to go through the same things people that fail for anabolic steroids does, and you might then realize how dumb WADA testing/procedures are.



It will happen if they continue to use WADA. I guarantee that.

hvaughn88 wrote:

I'm not here to argue the merits of using weed or not, that topic has been beat to death. But did you really just lump using...

I'm not here to argue the merits of using weed or not, that topic has been beat to death. But did you really just lump using weed and taking Nyquil together as being similar for failed test scenarious??

Samdanny576 wrote:

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter...

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter cough medication, it is considered the same by WADA and you go through the same process for each thing listed above.

Straight dumb if you ask me.

Hut wrote:

I understand it but I don't agree with a severe penalty. If he gets suspended for a race or two that would seem fair to me...

I understand it but I don't agree with a severe penalty. If he gets suspended for a race or two that would seem fair to me.
I don't know enough about the specifics here but I haven't read anything that accuses him or the team of actually cheating. It sounds more like a misunderstanding of the process.

Everyone is an expert of how a TUE works now after the fact.

Skippie wrote:

But then what's the point of the system. If someone actually was cheating they could just claim that it was a misunderstanding. Whether he is suspended...

But then what's the point of the system. If someone actually was cheating they could just claim that it was a misunderstanding. Whether he is suspended for 1 race or a whole season I say it's fair game.

Hut wrote:

I understand it but I don't agree with a severe penalty. If he gets suspended for a race or two that would seem fair to me...

I understand it but I don't agree with a severe penalty. If he gets suspended for a race or two that would seem fair to me.
I don't know enough about the specifics here but I haven't read anything that accuses him or the team of actually cheating. It sounds more like a misunderstanding of the process.

Everyone is an expert of how a TUE works now after the fact.

Samdanny576 wrote:

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter...

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter cough medication, it is considered the same by WADA and you go through the same process for each thing listed above.

Straight dumb if you ask me.

Skippie wrote:

There is a solution to that problem. Wait for it.... Don't break the rules and you don't fail the test! Who would have thought? If it's...

There is a solution to that problem. Wait for it.... Don't break the rules and you don't fail the test! Who would have thought? If it's meth or cough syrup if they are banned don't take them, if you do you will be punished. Why can't people except rules anymore?

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I'll ask you again. Should RV have been penalized for jumping with the red lights on, and then again under the Red Cross flags?

Skippie wrote:

Red cross flag yes he should have. Red lights were a little harder to judge. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And...

Red cross flag yes he should have. Red lights were a little harder to judge. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And Samdanny, whether the rules need an overhaul is a moot point. The rules were in effect when he started the season and they were broken it is quite simple.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I'll ask you again. Should RV have been penalized for jumping with the red lights on, and then again under the Red Cross flags?

Skippie wrote:

Red cross flag yes he should have. Red lights were a little harder to judge. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And...

Red cross flag yes he should have. Red lights were a little harder to judge. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And Samdanny, whether the rules need an overhaul is a moot point. The rules were in effect when he started the season and they were broken it is quite simple.

Samdanny576 wrote:

Wait for some young kid to fail the test for weed or NyQuil, and be required to go through the same things people that fail for...

Wait for some young kid to fail the test for weed or NyQuil, and be required to go through the same things people that fail for anabolic steroids does, and you might then realize how dumb WADA testing/procedures are.



It will happen if they continue to use WADA. I guarantee that.

hvaughn88 wrote:

I'm not here to argue the merits of using weed or not, that topic has been beat to death. But did you really just lump using...

I'm not here to argue the merits of using weed or not, that topic has been beat to death. But did you really just lump using weed and taking Nyquil together as being similar for failed test scenarious??

Samdanny576 wrote:

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter...

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter cough medication, it is considered the same by WADA and you go through the same process for each thing listed above.

Straight dumb if you ask me.

hvaughn88 wrote:

I'm not here to argue the merits of using weed or not, that topic has been beat to death. But did you really just lump using...

I'm not here to argue the merits of using weed or not, that topic has been beat to death. But did you really just lump using weed and taking Nyquil together as being similar for failed test scenarious??

Samdanny576 wrote:

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter...

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter cough medication, it is considered the same by WADA and you go through the same process for each thing listed above.

Straight dumb if you ask me.

hvaughn88 wrote:

Yes, I understand that. My point being, you just lumped weed and Nyquil together as a comparison against anabolic steroids. That's the part where the leap...

Yes, I understand that. My point being, you just lumped weed and Nyquil together as a comparison against anabolic steroids. That's the part where the leap seemed like a stretch.

Samdanny576 wrote:

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter...

A failed test is a failed test according to WADA, so if you fail a test for heroin, Weed, meth, HGH, or an over the counter cough medication, it is considered the same by WADA and you go through the same process for each thing listed above.

Straight dumb if you ask me.

hvaughn88 wrote:

Yes, I understand that. My point being, you just lumped weed and Nyquil together as a comparison against anabolic steroids. That's the part where the leap...

Yes, I understand that. My point being, you just lumped weed and Nyquil together as a comparison against anabolic steroids. That's the part where the leap seemed like a stretch.

Samdanny576 wrote:

That's the point. They lump them all together. If you fail a test for an over the counter cold medication, or an anabloic steroid, WADA views...

That's the point. They lump them all together.
If you fail a test for an over the counter cold medication, or an anabloic steroid, WADA views it as the same thing and the process is the same for both things.
That, IMO, is a problem.

Does not matter if it's something illegal like weed or legal like a cough medication according to WADA. Hope that helps you better understand what I'm trying to get across.

Crush wrote:

Do you really think they're ticket sales are gonna drop when there's gonna be the rest of the field going hammer and tong? Even for that...

Do you really think they're ticket sales are gonna drop when there's gonna be the rest of the field going hammer and tong?

Even for that statement to make sense, say 40-60K people at each event, how many are saying that on facebook. A few hundred. Doesn't even register in terms of something like 700,000-1,100 000 ticket sales for the season...

It's probably the most stacked field in 20 years, regardless of JS or RV not being there.

Lightning78 wrote:

Yes I do think they will see a noticeable drop in ticket sales or attendance. ...last year when james didnt race there was a noticeable drop...

Yes I do think they will see a noticeable drop in ticket sales or attendance. ...last year when james didnt race there was a noticeable drop in attendance I think it mentioned in one in one of matthes podcasts ...so yes james does command a noticeable amount of fan attendance and yes there are more casual fans of "the show" that will not come if james isnt there and they are fans nonetheless. Not every body in a seat at a sx race is a core fan like the people posting in this thread, fans are fans regardless of their dedication. I for one am contemplating not going if james isnt there and that doesnt make me any less of a fan. I WANT to see james race its poetry in motion so if im going to drop 100 plus bucks to attend I would like to see him on the track because at that cost its worth it for me to watch from home and save that money if he isnt there. When he is retired that is a different story. I have 4 races I can make it to and will be going to at least one maybe more if james is on the line.

hvaughn88 wrote:

Yes, I understand that. My point being, you just lumped weed and Nyquil together as a comparison against anabolic steroids. That's the part where the leap...

Yes, I understand that. My point being, you just lumped weed and Nyquil together as a comparison against anabolic steroids. That's the part where the leap seemed like a stretch.

Samdanny576 wrote:

That's the point. They lump them all together. If you fail a test for an over the counter cold medication, or an anabloic steroid, WADA views...

That's the point. They lump them all together.
If you fail a test for an over the counter cold medication, or an anabloic steroid, WADA views it as the same thing and the process is the same for both things.
That, IMO, is a problem.

Does not matter if it's something illegal like weed or legal like a cough medication according to WADA. Hope that helps you better understand what I'm trying to get across.

hvaughn88 wrote:

so how would it be handled if something legal or can be legally purchased, but is being abused and/or utilized for performance enhancement (strictly hypothetical here)...

so how would it be handled if something legal or can be legally purchased, but is being abused and/or utilized for performance enhancement (strictly hypothetical here)? To me, that's why it has to be a pretty strict ruling across the board. Thanks for clarifying what you meant though, I don't want you to think I was trying to attack your opinion.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I'll ask you again. Should RV have been penalized for jumping with the red lights on, and then again under the Red Cross flags?

Skippie wrote:

Red cross flag yes he should have. Red lights were a little harder to judge. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And...

Red cross flag yes he should have. Red lights were a little harder to judge. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And Samdanny, whether the rules need an overhaul is a moot point. The rules were in effect when he started the season and they were broken it is quite simple.

Samdanny576 wrote:

That's the point. They lump them all together. If you fail a test for an over the counter cold medication, or an anabloic steroid, WADA views...

That's the point. They lump them all together.
If you fail a test for an over the counter cold medication, or an anabloic steroid, WADA views it as the same thing and the process is the same for both things.
That, IMO, is a problem.

Does not matter if it's something illegal like weed or legal like a cough medication according to WADA. Hope that helps you better understand what I'm trying to get across.

hvaughn88 wrote:

so how would it be handled if something legal or can be legally purchased, but is being abused and/or utilized for performance enhancement (strictly hypothetical here)...

so how would it be handled if something legal or can be legally purchased, but is being abused and/or utilized for performance enhancement (strictly hypothetical here)? To me, that's why it has to be a pretty strict ruling across the board. Thanks for clarifying what you meant though, I don't want you to think I was trying to attack your opinion.

Samdanny576 wrote:

I think you need to look at each individual product and case and decide on it. If someone fails once for an over the counter medication...

I think you need to look at each individual product and case and decide on it. If someone fails once for an over the counter medication that coukd be abused you watn them they failed and they will be under heavy monitoring/drug testing the next few months to see if it's a problem. If it is you then deal with it as per the rules you have written. You don't use some committee that might just want to shit on someone that day.

You can't just lump everything together and say a failed test is a failed test because you then lose the humanistic side of things needed to make an objective decision that is fair.